Apostle Paul's Temple of God

[Davy]

There is a mass confusion false doctrine going around today in some of Christ's Churches that brethren need to be aware of.

In 2 Thessalonians 2, Apostle Paul warned about a coming false one at the end of the world just prior to the day of Christ, which is about Christ's 2nd coming in the near future. In it Paul warned about the "man of sin" coming to sit in the "temple of God" and proclaiming himself as God, and over all that is even called... God, or that is worshiped.

2 Thess 2:1-4
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

The problem is that some deceivers, and their deceived followers, try to claim that "temple of God" Paul mentioned is about the Antichrist sitting over Christ's Church. Their doctrine of course is a major falsehood. It even reveals that idea is from the devil himself and his followers, and here is why...

What True Christian doesn't understand that Christ's True Church is OF AND BY The Spirit, and is NOT simply just a building structure on earth called... a church? A deceiver would not know that, nor would a deceiver of one of the devil's children realize that the True Church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, and Lord Jesus Himself as The Cornerstone (per Ephesians 2). The True Church is built also on the many-member body of Christ.

What this means ultimately, is that the True Church CANNOT be corrupted nor ruled over by an Antichrist, nor the devil, nor anyone other than Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Anyone who tries to corrupt the True Church of The SPIRIT with Jesus as The Head Cornerstone is simply 'cut off'. So who would think that Lord Jesus as its Cornerstone could ever be corrupted or ruled over? The devil of course would think that, and even wants to believe it, because the devil still wants to be worshiped in place of God. So when you hear this doctrine being preached that Paul's "temple of God" means the Church, then you are hearing the devil speak, or one of the devil's servants, whether they do it knowingly or not.


What "temple of God" was Apostle Paul talking about then in that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 verse?

Paul was pointing to a TRADITIONAL JEWISH STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM for the end of this world, a 3rd stone temple.

As of today, that 3rd stone temple of the Jews in today's Jerusalem is not built yet. But orthodox Jews there already have long had the materials ready to build it, including the religious ritual artifacts for temple worship per the old covenant. They are still waiting for the coming of the Biblical Messiah. They do not believe Jesus of Nazareth is The Messiah. The Zechariah 6 Scripture foretells that the "BRANCH" (another title for The Christ), will come to build the temple, and will sit upon his throne as king and priest. Those orthodox Jews are waiting for Messiah to come to fulfill that, which is why they gathered the materials ready to build their new 3rd stone temple.

But some Christian denominations are bent on pushing the falsehood that a Catholic pope is that "man of sin" Paul was speaking about, and that a pope is the Antichrist for the end, and that "temple of God" is about the deceived Christian Church at the end which that pope will sit over, spiritually. That doctrine of course is a false doctrine, as one of the main proofs is that "man of sin" is the same pseudo-Christ which Lord Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:23-26 that will appear in Jerusalem at the end and place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a standing stone temple there.

IMPORTANT:
In Matthew 24:24 the KJV phrase "false Christs" is the Greek word 'pseudo-christos'. The word christos means Christ. In the Greek just because a word has an 's' on the end of it does not always mean it is plural. The Greek word christoi is plural. And in some Greek manuscripts it is the word christoi, and some others it is christos. This is why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated Greek pseudo-christos to 'a spurious Messiah', meaning a singular false-Messiah.

But what actually determines the tense of that false one Jesus was pointing to are the Matthew 24:23 & 26 verses, which both are in the SINGULAR TENSE about a specific false one. And that is the same subject Apostle Paul was covering in 2 Thessalonians 2 about that "man of sin" coming to sit in the "temple of God", a new stone temple that will be built by the orthodox Jews for the end of this world just prior to Lord Jesus' return.

 

[kdx]

in the near future

Paul was pointing to a TRADITIONAL JEWISH STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM for the end of this world, a 3rd stone temple.

You contradict yourself. Is it the near future, or thousands of years in the future?

The evidence in the epistle points to a near future. So I think you should stick to your first idea.

 

[Davy]

You contradict yourself. Is it the near future, or thousands of years in the future?

The evidence in the epistle points to a near future. So I think you should stick to your first idea.

You are obviously confused. There is NO contradiction, except in your OWN primitive mind that you are vainly attempting... to create.

TODAY'S orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build their 3rd temple, and have already been sacrificing animals on a hill overlooking the Temple Mount.

Because the U.N. gave the Arabs control of the Temple Mount, those Jews have not been able to go through with their build plans, but they do... plan to build a 3rd stone temple and startup old covenant worship again, because those Jews still REJECT Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah. So they are still waiting for Messiah to come.

You are way behind on the times we are in today.

Update on the Building of the Third Temple

www.jewishvoice.org

 

[kdx]

TODAY'S orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build their 3rd temple, and have already been sacrificing animals on a hill overlooking the Temple Mount.

Why would they want to do sacrifices? Why would they rebuild their temple?

 

[Davy]

Why would they want to do sacrifices? Why would they rebuild their temple?

Oh come on, you well know why. You are starting to show your true colors here by your questioning of reality and Bible prophecy as written. There will... be a 3rd JEWISH stone temple built for that "man of sin" to sit in, which Apostle Paul and Lord Jesus Christ warned of for the end of this world.

 

[kdx]

Oh come on, you well know why.

No, I am serious. Where is the command of God for the Jews to go and build a third temple? Where is the command of God for them to sacrifice animals today?

 

[Davy]

No, I am serious. Where is the command of God for the Jews to go and build a third temple? Where is the command of God for them to sacrifice animals today?

Oh so now... you tempt The LORD Himself, when He showed you how a Jewish stone temple is involved in prophecy for the end of this world?

I don't have time to spoon feed you when it's up to you to do your own Bible study. You are way... behind.

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
KJV

Mark 13:14
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
KJV

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.

Dan 9:27
27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of the time an end shall be put to the desolation.
(Greek-English Septuagint: Brenton Edition. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database. Copyright © 2020 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Dan 11:31-36
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
KJV

 

[Brakelite]

There is a mass confusion false doctrine going around today in some of Christ's Churches that brethren need to be aware of.

In 2 Thessalonians 2, Apostle Paul warned about a coming false one at the end of the world just prior to the day of Christ, which is about Christ's 2nd coming in the near future. In it Paul warned about the "man of sin" coming to sit in the "temple of God" and proclaiming himself as God, and over all that is even called... God, or that is worshiped.

2 Thess 2:1-4
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

The problem is that some deceivers, and their deceived followers, try to claim that "temple of God" Paul mentioned is about the Antichrist sitting over Christ's Church. Their doctrine of course is a major falsehood. It even reveals that idea is from the devil himself and his followers, and here is why...

What True Christian doesn't understand that Christ's True Church is OF AND BY The Spirit, and is NOT simply just a building structure on earth called... a church? A deceiver would not know that, nor would a deceiver of one of the devil's children realize that the True Church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, and Lord Jesus Himself as The Cornerstone (per Ephesians 2). The True Church is built also on the many-member body of Christ.

What this means ultimately, is that the True Church CANNOT be corrupted nor ruled over by an Antichrist, nor the devil, nor anyone other than Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Anyone who tries to corrupt the True Church of The SPIRIT with Jesus as The Head Cornerstone is simply 'cut off'. So who would think that Lord Jesus as its Cornerstone could ever be corrupted or ruled over? The devil of course would think that, and even wants to believe it, because the devil still wants to be worshiped in place of God. So when you hear this doctrine being preached that Paul's "temple of God" means the Church, then you are hearing the devil speak, or one of the devil's servants, whether they do it knowingly or not.


What "temple of God" was Apostle Paul talking about then in that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 verse?

Paul was pointing to a TRADITIONAL JEWISH STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM for the end of this world, a 3rd stone temple.

As of today, that 3rd stone temple of the Jews in today's Jerusalem is not built yet. But orthodox Jews there already have long had the materials ready to build it, including the religious ritual artifacts for temple worship per the old covenant. They are still waiting for the coming of the Biblical Messiah. They do not believe Jesus of Nazareth is The Messiah. The Zechariah 6 Scripture foretells that the "BRANCH" (another title for The Christ), will come to build the temple, and will sit upon his throne as king and priest. Those orthodox Jews are waiting for Messiah to come to fulfill that, which is why they gathered the materials ready to build their new 3rd stone temple.

But some Christian denominations are bent on pushing the falsehood that a Catholic pope is that "man of sin" Paul was speaking about, and that a pope is the Antichrist for the end, and that "temple of God" is about the deceived Christian Church at the end which that pope will sit over, spiritually. That doctrine of course is a false doctrine, as one of the main proofs is that "man of sin" is the same pseudo-Christ which Lord Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:23-26 that will appear in Jerusalem at the end and place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a standing stone temple there.

IMPORTANT:
In Matthew 24:24 the KJV phrase "false Christs" is the Greek word 'pseudo-christos'. The word christos means Christ. In the Greek just because a word has an 's' on the end of it does not always mean it is plural. The Greek word christoi is plural. And in some Greek manuscripts it is the word christoi, and some others it is christos. This is why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated Greek pseudo-christos to 'a spurious Messiah', meaning a singular false-Messiah.

But what actually determines the tense of that false one Jesus was pointing to are the Matthew 24:23 & 26 verses, which both are in the SINGULAR TENSE about a specific false one. And that is the same subject Apostle Paul was covering in 2 Thessalonians 2 about that "man of sin" coming to sit in the "temple of God", a new stone temple that will be built by the orthodox Jews for the end of this world just prior to Lord Jesus' return.

I have a couple of questions.
1. Can you show how such a future abomination could possibly be God's temple and not a false ediface for housing an idol, and
2. Can you explain, according to your theory, how Jim Jones's church that ended up in South America dead, was God's church.

Questions over, now a little lesson if li may be so bold. The expression, "except there come a falling away first," that you quoted above, refers to what? It refers to apostasy. The original word apostasia... Falling away... means divorce, a walking away from what previously was a sound relationship. What walked away became the revelation of the man of sin, the Antichrist. This falling away wasn't of one individual. It was a church that fell away, a church that was once holding to the truth, but through temptation and lust, abandoned the true God in favor of the things of this world. That church confirmed to profess a Christian faith, but that apostasy, establishing a relationship with the kings of this earth as opposed to God, ie spiritual adultery, invited the world to join that church without the need for repentance and the forsaking of sin. That church then went on a downward spiral, accepting pagan traditions and establishing a counterfeit priesthood that replaced the true High Priest in heaven, introducing a false method of salvation, compromising worship with the acceptance of idols and statues and prayers for the dead and acceptance of money, good works, pilgrimages, and rituals to pay for their souls to be released from a false purgatory. Everything this church allowed and compromised on replaced Christ and His ministry toward the lost with a false gospel and a false hope. Antichrist through and through. That's history. A history that cannot be denied. A history that harmonizes perfectly with the prophecy of Paul.

 

[JLB]

Paul was pointing to a TRADITIONAL JEWISH STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM for the end of this world, a 3rd stone temple.

‘Yes sir.


How can a “man” the “man” of sin possibly sit in every Christian on earth simultaneously?

What nonsense.

 

[Davy]

I have a couple of questions.
1. Can you show how such a future abomination could possibly be God's temple and not a false ediface for housing an idol,

God's Word already revealed that evidence, which is what I posted in my above post #7.

2. Can you explain, according to your theory, how Jim Jones's church that ended up in South America dead, was God's church.

Questions over, now a little lesson if li may be so bold. The expression, "except there come a falling away first," that you quoted above, refers to what? It refers to apostasy. The original word apostasia... Falling away... means divorce, a walking away from what previously was a sound relationship. What walked away became the revelation of the man of sin, the Antichrist. This falling away wasn't of one individual. It was a church that fell away, a church that was once holding to the truth, but through temptation and lust, abandoned the true God in favor of the things of this world. That church confirmed to profess a Christian faith, but that apostasy, establishing a relationship with the kings of this earth as opposed to God, ie spiritual adultery, invited the world to join that church without the need for repentance and the forsaking of sin. That church then went on a downward spiral, accepting pagan traditions and establishing a counterfeit priesthood that replaced the true High Priest in heaven, introducing a false method of salvation, compromising worship with the acceptance of idols and statues and prayers for the dead and acceptance of money, good works, pilgrimages, and rituals to pay for their souls to be released from a false purgatory. Everything this church allowed and compromised on replaced Christ and His ministry toward the lost with a false gospel and a false hope. Antichrist through and through. That's history. A history that cannot be denied. A history that harmonizes perfectly with the prophecy of Paul.

The idea of Apostle Paul's "falling away" (or apostasia per the Greek), is WITHIN the FLOW of the SUBJECT Paul was talking about, NOT Jim Jones nor any specific historical event.

That means you err by trying to bring in unrelated topics into what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2. One of the problems with Pop Christianity today on what Paul taught in 2 Thessalonians 2 is by their wanting to ISOLATE that sole 2 Thessalonians 2:3 verse apart from the 4th verse that goes WITH IT.

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

That last phrase of verse 3 with, "... that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" is continued into the next 4th verse with that "Who...". Thus BOTH of those 3rd and 4th verses go together about the SUBJECT of that "falling away".

And what is that 4th verse subject about?

The subject of that 4th verse is about the appearance of the pseudo-Christ that Lord Jesus warned about in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24:15-26 that is to appear in JERUSALEM at the end of this world, and place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a stone temple there in Jerusalem, which is the subject of the Daniel Scripture that Jesus was quoting. Per the Daniel Scripture where Jesus was quoting about the
"abomination of desolation" is specifically about an IDOL abomination placed inside a standing stone temple in Jerusalem, the traditional Jewish temple on the Temple Mount. And just because there is no Jewish stone temple standing on today's Temple Mount does not mean today's orthodox Jews won't build a future 3rd temple that will fulfill this prophesy in Daniel quoted by Lord Jesus.

 

[Davy]

‘Yes sir.


How can a “man” the “man” of sin possibly sit in every Christian on earth simultaneously?

What nonsense.

Right, and not only that, how can the "man of sin" sit over Christ's Church when Lord Jesus Himself is its Cornerstone and Head? That would be corrupting Jesus Christ Himself, if it were true. And by that we KNOW the doctrine going around saying Paul was speaking of antichrist being over Christ's Church is a LIE from the devil and his deceived followers.

 

[covenantee]

Paul was pointing to a TRADITIONAL JEWISH STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM for the end of this world, a 3rd stone temple.

No he wasn't. That's dispensational delusion. Paul was consistent in his exegeses of the temples.

You're not.


Paul's temples:

"naos" spiritual:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
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Greek

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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Greek

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
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Greek

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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Greek

Ephesians 2:21-22
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
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Greek
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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Greek

"eidóleion" physical:

1 Corinthians 8:10
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
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Greek

"hieros/hieron" physical:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
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Greek

 

[Brakelite]

God's Word already revealed that evidence, which is what I posted in my above post #7.




The idea of Apostle Paul's "falling away" (or apostasia per the Greek), is WITHIN the FLOW of the SUBJECT Paul was talking about, NOT Jim Jones nor any specific historical event.

That means you err by trying to bring in unrelated topics into what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2. One of the problems with Pop Christianity today on what Paul taught in 2 Thessalonians 2 is by their wanting to ISOLATE that sole 2 Thessalonians 2:3 verse apart from the 4th verse that goes WITH IT.

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

That last phrase of verse 3 with, "... that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" is continued into the next 4th verse with that "Who...". Thus BOTH of those 3rd and 4th verses go together about the SUBJECT of that "falling away".

And what is that 4th verse subject about?

The subject of that 4th verse is about the appearance of the pseudo-Christ that Lord Jesus warned about in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24:15-26 that is to appear in JERUSALEM at the end of this world, and place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a stone temple there in Jerusalem, which is the subject of the Daniel Scripture that Jesus was quoting. Per the Daniel Scripture where Jesus was quoting about the
"abomination of desolation" is specifically about an IDOL abomination placed inside a standing stone temple in Jerusalem, the traditional Jewish temple on the Temple Mount. And just because there is no Jewish stone temple standing on today's Temple Mount does not mean today's orthodox Jews won't build a future 3rd temple that will fulfill this prophesy in Daniel quoted by Lord Jesus.

I cannot believe you actually thought I was referencing Jim Jones as a fulfillment of the Thessalonians prophevy. The real fulfillment was the Catholic Church. The church in Rome began as a faithful spirit filled church. Circumstances such as a vacant seat after Constantine departed, and greed for power led to the bishops of Rome embracing civil power as well as ecclesiastical. That was the catalyst for the apostasy which created the Antichrist... The papacy.

 

[Davy]

No he wasn't. That's dispensational delusion. Paul was consistent in his exegeses of the temples.

You kind of... contradicted yourself, because Apostle Paul indeed was... consistent with pointing to the TRADITIONAL STONE TEMPLE in Jerusalem. Only when Paul was speaking metaphorically about the Church of The Spirit did he refer to a NON-stone literal physical structure using the word for temple. Thus CONTEXT is everything.

And in 2 Thessalonians 2, which is another parallel Scripture about the coming of the SAME pseudo-Christ that Lord Jesus warned is to come, per His Olivet discourse, the subject with both examples is about DECEPTION to a false-Messiah, a false Christ. And Jesus showed that false-Christ is to place an "abomination of desolation" IDOL at a literal, physical, stone temple in Jerusalem per the Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 9:27 prophecy. That is what Paul's "falling away" and "strong delusion" of 2 Thessalonians 2 is about, not a pope in Rome.

 

[Davy]

I cannot believe you actually thought I was referencing Jim Jones as a fulfillment of the Thessalonians prophevy. The real fulfillment was the Catholic Church. The church in Rome began as a faithful spirit filled church. Circumstances such as a vacant seat after Constantine departed, and greed for power led to the bishops of Rome embracing civil power as well as ecclesiastical. That was the catalyst for the apostasy which created the Antichrist... The papacy.

I only referred to Jim Jones because of YOUR reference to him.

And what I said was about wrongly trying to bring INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT 2 Thessalonians 2 outside religious events that have nothing to do with what Apostle Paul was revealing in 2 Thessalonians 2.

But you STILL... are wanting to talk about Jim Jones and the Catholic Church!

The Catholic Church has NOTHING to do with the events of warning by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2. What Paul was giving was ANOTHER EXAMPLE of the coming pseudo-Christ which Lord Jesus warned would come to JERUSALEM and place the "abomination of desolation" at a STANDING LITERAL STONE TEMPLE OF THE JEWS.

This is why Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 spoke about that coming "man of sin" working the great signs and wonders that Lord Jesus warned about in Matthew 24.

2 Thess 2:8-9
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
KJV

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

No one is crazy enough to claim that a pope is trying to do away with Christ, for the popes recognize Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. A deceived pope might say they too are 'a Christ', but not do away with Jesus Christ, because upon Jesus Christ is where even 'their' whole Catholic Church foundation begins. A believing Jew would understand this, but a FALSE Jew that is against Christianity would not.

 

[covenantee]

You kind of... contradicted yourself, because Apostle Paul indeed was... consistent with pointing to the TRADITIONAL STONE TEMPLE in Jerusalem. Only when Paul was speaking metaphorically about the Church of The Spirit did he refer to a NON-stone literal physical structure using the word for temple. Thus CONTEXT is everything.

And in 2 Thessalonians 2, which is another parallel Scripture about the coming of the SAME pseudo-Christ that Lord Jesus warned is to come, per His Olivet discourse, the subject with both examples is about DECEPTION to a false-Messiah, a false Christ. And Jesus showed that false-Christ is to place an "abomination of desolation" IDOL at a literal, physical, stone temple in Jerusalem per the Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 9:27 prophecy. That is what Paul's "falling away" and "strong delusion" of 2 Thessalonians 2 is about, not a pope in Rome.

Since Scripture interprets Scripture, you need to find at least one instance outside of 2 Thessalonians 2 where Paul uses "naos" to refer to a physical temple.

What instance is that?

 

[covenantee]

No one is crazy enough to claim that a pope is trying to do away with Christ

No one except your imagination claims that.

Here's what is claimed:

1. “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
2. “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
3. “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.

This is consistent with Paul's description in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, "...he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The temple in which he "sitteth" is not a physical temple, but is rather the spiritual temple of the "naos" Church.

This was foundational doctrine of the Reformers and the Reformation.

 

[Davy]

Since Scripture interprets Scripture, you need to find at least one instance outside of 2 Thessalonians 2 where Paul uses "naos" to refer to a physical temple.

What instance is that?

The context Apostle Paul showed in 2 Thess.2 about that "man of sin" coming to work the signs and lying wonders which parallels Christ's warning of the coming pseudo-Christ to place the "abomination of desolation" idol in a standing stone temple in JERUSALEM, with working great signs and wonders, is enough. No amount of word play like you are doing can override the CONTEXT of the false-Messiah that Paul revealed there. So go fish.

 

[Davy]

No one except your imagination claims that.

Here's what is claimed:

1. “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
2. “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
3. “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.

This is consistent with Paul's description in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, "...he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The temple in which he "sitteth" is not a physical temple, but is rather the spiritual temple of the "naos" Church.

This was foundational doctrine of the Reformers and the Reformation.

Like I said, the foundation of the Catholic Church a pope MUST use is Jesus Christ, regardless of how much that pope might 'think' he is The Christ, or any of its members that might think so. ANY other idea than this is beyond reality and is built on a lie by FALSE JEWS who only SAY are Jews, but lie, and are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan."

 

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The context Apostle Paul showed in 2 Thess.2 about that "man of sin" coming to work the signs and lying wonders which parallels Christ's warning of the coming pseudo-Christ to place the "abomination of desolation" idol in a standing stone temple in JERUSALEM, with working great signs and wonders, is enough. No amount of word play like you are doing can override the CONTEXT of the false-Messiah that Paul revealed there. So go fish.

No amount of hallucinating about a physical temple can disprove Paul's inerrant description of the spiritual temple of the Church.

You lose.