Apostolic Succession.

[Grailhunter]

Produce a case then highlight the Christian (Catholic) Church's reason(s) for why they defended the priest, paid the settlement, retired the priest with support, and didn't kick them out.

We can spend a couple days on this, so lets start with.....
Go to the Bing web browser and type.....Catholic sexual molestation cases
We can go over them together and move on to more detail information.

 

[Origen]

I know him and it changed his life. After that I never met a person that hates Catholics more. There is no news link....did not make the news.

If the story is true, it's surprising that it didn't make the local news then, at least. And, if it's true, him "throwing a priest over pews" is an act of anger, and Jesus taught that one shouldn't even get angry with his neighbor. Sin should repulse us, but not the sinner. All those who choose to follow Christ must suffer for souls and try to save them as He did by all possible means. And let love always prevail, among the means used to save. They also need to consider that Jesus was not unaware of Judas' horror... But, overcoming all disgust, He treated the wretch as He treated John. Jesus's followers will often be spared the bitterness of knowing that nothing is of any use to save a beloved fellow neighbor... And they will therefore be able to work without the tiredness that affects one, when one knows that everything is useless....One must work even then...always...until everything is accomplished...

What is the difference????.....IBM is not a Christian church. In perspective Protestants have sexual things going on but it is different and not as much. Protestant pastor molests little girl.....Protestant pastor gets tied to the back of a 4 wheel drive pickup and pulled through the woods.

What is the difference between sexual immoralities committed by sinners in IBM, Protestant denominations, and the Christian (Catholic) Church, and so on? None. Sin is sin.

.....these sexual crimes are destroying the Catholic Church. Stop the requirement for celibacy.

Immoralities can be and are committed by people who aren't celibate too. Therefore, celibacy in and of itself isn't the problem.

The one thing that is consistent with Catholics is they live in a delusional reality....and they live in denial of the truth and they have to play a game of juggling the two.

No, people deny that Satan and his demons are just as real as God and His angels are. There's a spiritual warfare going on in this world, seen and unseen. Satan and his demons tempt every soul to commit evil, especially Jesus's priests within His Christian (Catholic) Church that He founded, and if one's will is, for example, weak, or compromised due to illness, they are more vulnerable to evil temptations.

We can spend a couple days on this, so lets start with.....
Go to the Bing web browser and type.....Catholic sexual molestation cases
We can go over them together and move on to more detail information.

Just present one case that you're already familiar with and highlight the Christian (Catholic) Church's reason(s) for why they defended the priest, paid the settlement, retired the priest with support, and didn't kick them out.

 

[Mink57]

What is the difference????.....IBM is not a Christian church. In perspective Protestants have sexual things going on but it is different and not as much. Protestant pastor molests little girl.....Protestant pastor gets tied to the back of a 4 wheel drive pickup and pulled through the woods.

I say this out of love for the Catholic Church.....these sexual crimes are destroying the Catholic Church. Stop the requirement for celibacy.

Catholic priests do NOT commit pedophilia because of the "requirement for celibacy" ANY MORE than the ''requirement' for marriage and the "forsaking all others" causes infidelity and adultery.

 

[Mink57]

The one thing that is consistent with Catholics is they live in a delusional reality....and they live in denial of the truth and they have to play a game of juggling the two.

So YOU say....

 

[Mink57]

We can spend a couple days on this, so lets start with.....
Go to the Bing web browser and type.....Catholic sexual molestation cases
We can go over them together and move on to more detail information.

And then go to the site that I posted earlier...about how sexual molestation is even MORE prevalent among non-Catholic "Christians".

 

[Grailhunter]

If the story is true, it's surprising that it didn't make the local news then, at least. And, if it's true, him "throwing a priest over pews" is an act of anger, and Jesus taught that one shouldn't even get angry with his neighbor. Sin should repulse us, but not the sinner. All those who choose to follow Christ must suffer for souls and try to save them as He did by all possible means. And let love always prevail, among the means used to save. They also need to consider that Jesus was not unaware of Judas' horror... But, overcoming all disgust, He treated the wretch as He treated John. Jesus's followers will often be spared the bitterness of knowing that nothing is of any use to save a beloved fellow neighbor... And they will therefore be able to work without the tiredness that affects one, when one knows that everything is useless....One must work even then...always...until everything is accomplished...



What is the difference between sexual immoralities committed by sinners in IBM, Protestant denominations, and the Christian (Catholic) Church, and so on? None. Sin is sin.



Immoralities can be and are committed by people who aren't celibate too. Therefore, celibacy in and of itself isn't the problem.



No, people deny that Satan and his demons are just as real as God and His angels are. There's a spiritual warfare going on in this world, seen and unseen. Satan and his demons tempt every soul to commit evil, especially Jesus's priests within His Christian (Catholic) Church that He founded, and if one's will is, for example, weak, or compromised due to illness, they are more vulnerable to evil temptations.



Just present one case that you're already familiar with and highlight the Christian (Catholic) Church's reason(s) for why they defended the priest, paid the settlement, retired the priest with support, and didn't kick them out.

If you cannot see the difference I cannot help you....like I said...The one thing that is consistent with Catholics is they live in a delusional reality....and they live in denial of the truth and they have to play a game of juggling the two.

 

[Grailhunter]

And then go to the site that I posted earlier...about how sexual molestation is even MORE prevalent among non-Catholic "Christians".

The one thing that is consistent with Catholics is they live in a delusional reality....and they live in denial of the truth and they have to play a game of juggling the two. Facts are facts and ramifications will tell....

 

[Mink57]

The one thing that is consistent with Catholics is they live in a delusional reality....and they live in denial of the truth and they have to play a game of juggling the two. Facts are facts and ramifications will tell....

Read the other post I wrote.....about marriage/infidelity.

Is it "delusional" to believe that once married that we should expect sexual fidelity?

Once married, we KNOW that we're CHOOSING to remain sexually faithful to our spouse. And once a Catholic priest decides to become a priest, he knowingly CHOOSES to remain celibate.

 

[shepherdsword]

You said that others will receive the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven as well, but Jesus never said that. He only ever said to Peter specifically, "I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven". That is regarding something else other than His teaching of what is required to receive the reward of eternal life in Heaven.

Salvation is the key to heaven. It is given when one understands and believes that Jesus is the Christ. Peter had this revelation which is why he was given the keys.

 

[David Lamb]

Ok, I am saying, the apostles should have waited for answer, not pick two for God to choose. Remember King Saul disobeyed God by doing what he wanted instead, but Samuel showed up and said " For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king. 1 Samuel 15:23. By not waiting, they in fact were rebelling by acting on their own.

I don't think we are given any indication in Acts 1 that the apostles were rebelling against God. What in that chapter makes you think that they were? It wasn't the casting of lots; we read in the Old Testament of lots being used in godly ways.

 

[Origen]

If you cannot see the difference I cannot help you....

Sins among sinners differ in graveness depending on the intention, circumstance, and the sinner who committed it, but all sin in and of itself is evil. All sin should repulse us, but not the sinner, no matter who they are.

like I said...The one thing that is consistent with Catholics is they live in a delusional reality....and they live in denial of the truth and they have to play a game of juggling the two.

And, as I said, people deny that Satan and his demons are just as real as God and His angels are. There's a spiritual warfare going on in this world, seen and unseen. Satan and his demons tempt every soul to commit evil, especially Jesus's priests within His Christian (Catholic) Church that He founded, and if one's will is, for example, weak, or compromised due to illness, they are more vulnerable to evil temptations.

 

[shepherdsword]

Sins among sinners differ in graveness depending on the intention, circumstance, and the sinner who committed it, but all sin in and of itself is evil. All sin should repulse us, but not the sinner, no matter who they are.



And, as I said, people deny that Satan and his demons are just as real as God and His angels are. There's a spiritual warfare going on in this world, seen and unseen. Satan and his demons tempt every soul to commit evil, especially Jesus's priests within His Christian (Catholic) Church that He founded, and if one's will is, for example, weak, or compromised due to illness, they are more vulnerable to evil temptations.

Yes there is...here is a good synopsis on the roman catholic church:

2 Co 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

[Origen]

Salvation is the key to heaven.

To say "Salvation is the key" is to say that salvation is "of paramount or crucial importance", which isn't the same as Jesus telling Peter, "I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which means giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven.

 

[shepherdsword]

"is the key" which means "of paramount or crucial importance" isn't the same as Jesus telling Peter, "I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which means giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven.

Every believer has the authority to bind demons and loose blessings in Jesus' name.

 

[Origen]

Every believer has the authority to bind demons and loose blessings in Jesus' name.

"Every believer" isn't spelled "P-E-T-E-R", and only to Peter did Jesus say, "I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which means giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven.

 

[shepherdsword]

"Every believer" isn't spelled "P-E-T-E-R", and only to Peter did Jesus say, "I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which means giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven.

and this is why you shouldn't listen to the doctrine of the Nicolaitans which is replete in the RCC. They conquer the laity with their hellish clergy/ laity hierarchy. They promote false mediators. Here is what the bible says about such things:

Authority:
Mt 20:25-28 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

The real mediator between God and man. Not the pope,not mary, not the saints in heaven:

1 Ti 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

 

[Origen]

and this is why you shouldn't listen to the doctrine of the Nicolaitans which is replete in the RCC. They conquer the laity with their hellish clergy/ laity hierarchy. They promote false mediators.

All I did was quote what Jesus said: "I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which means giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven.

 

[NotTheRock]

Catholic priests ... because of the "requirement for celibacy"ANY MORE than the ''requirement' for marriage and the "forsaking all others" causes infidelity and adultery.

Please read the following and then tell us why Catholics reject Paul's warning? Jesus never intended for Christian church leaders to abstain from marriage. Even Peter was married!

1 Timothy 4
English Standard Version
Some Will Depart from the Faith
4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage...

 

[shepherdsword]

All I did was quote what Jesus said: "I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which means giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven.

No, that is not all you said. You also said this:

"Jesus formed a hierarchy when He chose His successors, gave them authority, and accumulated believers"

Jesus did not form a hierarchy. Mt 20:25-28 proves it.

 

[NotTheRock]

All I did was quote what Jesus said: "I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which means giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven.

That's not in dispute, my brother. What is in dispute is the theology that successors of the apostles were given that ability.