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In John 11:26 Jesus says, “Whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.” It does not say “will not die forever” or any other qualifier — and if what Jesus said in that verse seems unclear, we need to look at other Scripture on the same topic.
“Never see death” makes His intent unmistakable — this is not about dying and later being raised; it’s about never encountering death at all.
You fail at logical debate. When one makes a claim the burden of proof is on him. In other words you have no proof at all that Jesus came back in 70ad. It's all conjecture and opinion...gotcha
You do realize that it is in Italics because it is implied by the parsing of "hoitines" You have no understanding of greek at all. We don't an English equivalent for it so it is translated as " They also which" It marks a clear distinction between the two groups.
That is speaking of the soul of a person which is given the security of eternal life during a person's natural lifetime after coming to faith in Christ. Those who believe are demonstrating that they are then in possession of eternal life. They never lose it. "He that believeth on me HATH everlasting life" (John 6:47). But the believer is also given the indwelling Holy Spirit as an "earnest" or pledge of the coming "redemption of the body", which that believer receives in the bodily resurrection process when their mortal remains are changed into the incorruptible and immortal condition.
You need a course on hereneutics and Exegesis.
Why do so many christians become grammatically illiterate to defend their allegorical reinterpretations? This is speaking of 2 people groups.
Don't know where you get you rhistory but that is whacked! According to Eddersheim and Fruchtenbaum, two born again Jewish and Rabbinic Scholars, the secret or inner chambers were rooms used for travelling prophets to lodge. in light of the warning, it is true compared to your secret cash room which has mention in any knowledgeable history.
No, "hoitines" meaning "whoseover" doesn't mark a distinction between two different groups in this verse. That little Greek word "kai" has TWO variable interpretations, meaning either "And" or "namely", as used in an explanatory sense. The KJV (and others) mistakenly pick the wrong interpretation by translating "kai" as "AND also" when "kai" should have been translated as "NAMELY they who pierced Him".
Do you think it’s possible to prove a negative?
In post #205 3R put forth the evidence of the landslide rubble layer that was deposited in the Kidron Valley during the earthquake at Christ's AD 70 return, just as Zechariah 14:4-5 in the LXX tells us would happen.
This AOD is "ARMIES surrounding Jerusalem" (Luke 21:2-21), and standing in the holy place where Gentiles were not allowed to be. This abomination of a standing army in Jerusalem happened once before under Antiochus E when "ARMS shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength...." (Dan. 11:31).
That "HE" is Christ the "Messiah the Prince" who should come. Christ as the "prince that shall come" is NOT the AOD. Christ as the "messenger of the covenant" confirmed that covenant with many of the ethnic Jews during His 3-1/2 year ministry, and the 3-1/2 years afterward when the gospel was being preached to the "lost sheep of the house Israel". In the middle of that 70th week, Christ's sacrifice of Himself caused the end of the sacrifice and oblations in the temple. Christ brought about the change in the law along with the change in the high priesthood. Christ fully determined for that obsolete temple system to be brought to utter desolation, by using "the abominable armies" to accomplish this. God has often used corrupt empires to accomplish His purposes of judgment on His own people.
There is NO "ALSO" meant to be in this text. That is an artificial insertion. That first-century generation of Christ-rejecting Jews would "fill up the measure of their fathers" by killing Christ's disciples and servants. It was upon that first-century generation of Jews that all the righteous blood shed from Abel onward would be brought to their charge. Christ said so, and John repeated this in Revelation as the blood guilt of Jerusalem the harlot called "Mystery Babylon". That wicked generation who had pierced Christ would be the eye-witnesses of His return, and all the tribes of Israel in Jerusalem existing at the time mourned to see Him in AD 70.
Here's one source from blogs.timesofisrael.com.
You are entitled to your personal opinion, but an ad hominem charge does not help your case.
Numbers 35:4 And the suburbs of the cities, which ye shall give unto the Levites, shall reach from the wall of the city and outward a thousand cubits round about.
YES. I do agree. As in Ezekiel 45:1-7 when the prophet was describing the post-exilic arrangement of the land of Israel being set up.
Give me a break. What do you mean "never encountering death at all"? Everyone He was speaking to in those verses physically died, so taking those verses completely literally makes no sense. What those verses mean is that those who believe in Him will never suffer the second death since that is only for those whose names are not written in the book of life (Rev 20:14-15).
I can’t argue against the translation you’re using, but it clearly teaches a different doctrine than what the KJV presents.
You are confused about Greek grammar and syntax. The grammar demands a distinction between EVERY EYE and the ones that pierced him. Stop pretending you are a better translator than an entire host of Greek scholars. "Kai" is translated as "and" THOUSANDS if times in the NT.
Landslide rubble doesn't prove a second coming. However, there is no record of an eartquake in 70ad
Conclusion| Aspect | Summary |
|---|---|
| Historical sources | No mention of an earthquake in Jerusalem in 70 AD |
| Geological record | No known seismic event pinpointed to that year |
| Destruction of the city | Caused by war, not a natural disaster |
| Symbolic/apocalyptic language | Earthquake imagery used figuratively in some texts |
It's from the NKJV. But, even the KJV does not agree with your understanding. In that translation Jesus is saying that someone can be dead ("though he were dead"), but will still live, meaning that death is not the end since there will be a future resurrection of the dead, which was the topic being discussed.
No, there isn't. Either way, Jesus is saying that if someone dies they will still live again in the future at which point they will never die in terms of experiencing the second death. Come on, man. Do you deny that physical death occurs or what? Why would you try to argue that anyone living right now will never die in any way? That's nonsense. Do you deny the future bodily resurrection of the dead? Are you a full preterist?
No I don’t deny that pyhysical death comes to all of us. Even Enoch, who was translated and “did not see death,” still died according to Hebrews.
Then why did you say those verses have something to do with never dying at all?
Those who are alive and remain until Jesus comes will be immediately changed to put on bodily immortality, so they will not die. But, Jesus was not only talking about them in the verses you referenced. He was talking about all believers, many of which have died since He said that. They will all be resurrected when Jesus returns and, together with those who are alive and remain, will be caught up to meet Christ in the air after which we will be with Him forever (1 Thess 4:14-17).
I said believers don’t die because a believer is translated from this world to the next prior to death. The contrast would be a non-believer who is not taken out of the body prior to death; they experience the full sting of death and all the horrors that come with it.
When you maske up yo0ur own definitions for the holy place, you get to make Scripture say whateveer you want. but when Jesus spoke of the Holy Place it was the temple. BTW AOD is singular=person not an army which would be a plural noun in Greek.
Once again you show you rlack of basic grammar that goid crfeated.
Also is inserted because of the way the grammar is tranlsated from Greek to English. but even if you wish to argue it is an arttifical insertion, the construct shows it is 2 groups not one, sorry for you.
Thank you. but that does not equate to the secret chamber. this was a place used tro store funds for the noble poor. A secret chamber is a hidden room not a "closet type storehouse,
First it is not my case but the bibles.
Wrong! The sacrifices continued until the temple was destroyed. the bible does not say that teh efficacy ceased (which it did) but the sacriufucing ended! You are manipulating Scripture again!
Wrong agaion! Mystery Baqbylon is called a wman and when a woman is symbolically used it always refers to a religious system. Also the full title of this woman in revelation is "Mystery, babylon, the mother of all harlots and aominations in the earth! Neither Judaism not Israel gave birth to all the spiritual abominations on the earth. that is the Ancinet Mystery religion of Babylon which never died but has morphed ober the millennia.
Stephen's spirit didn't leave his body before his body died. It does not say that and that makes no sense whatsoever. A person's soul and spirit leave their body after their body dies first. You should not make things up like this just because of how you interpret other scriptures.
