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  1. Steve Owen

    Steve Owen Well-Known Member

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    The 'Holy Place' of Hebrews 9:12 is described as the 'Holiest of all' in Hebrews 9:8 and 'heaven itself' in Hebrews 9:24. They all appear to be the same place.

    The NKJV is a fine translation, though not above improvement (I hope a revised version may appear shortly). It is much to be preferred over the old KJV.
     
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    Willie, I adhere to the KJV, and that is not my position at all. I've explained why I use the KJV and only that version many times before and will do so again if needed. None of the reasons are because I believe it's the only word of God before or after. Nor do I believe any other version must strictly have the exact words as the KJV (what would be the point of having a new one?).

    There are times when I will deviate from the KJ: usually when I am in a debate where the other party refuses to acknowledge the KJ. Most of the time I can use their own version and still prove my point, so I do so.

    One of the reasons why I use the KJ is because I believe it is the most accurate. Sure... Go ahead and roast me on that one, but is that different from anyone else? Would it be wise to pick a version you believe is innacuarate?

    Just to get it on record, I have no problem nor have I ever had a problem (or scolded) with anyone using another version. I simply deal with it.

    In any sense, Willie, I know there are some hardliners out there that believe as you have charged, but not all KJV folk are like that.

    I have one passage of scripture that I do think modern versions are influenced by and that's Romans 13. Perhaps more on that later.

    Finally, I have been on discussion boards for almost 20 years. I can honestly say I have not seen all other versions of the Bible COMBINED attacked as much as the King James. Wonder why?
     
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    Actually no, that is a misreading of the text. Hebrews 9:8 isn't referring to the "same place" as Hebrews 9:12. Both, the Holy Place and the Most Holy place are in "Heaven itself", so that is non-sequitur. The "way" into the Holiest of all (speaking of the Heavenly) was 'opened' through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean He ascended to it to minister there before ascending to the Holy Place and ministering there.
     
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    David,

    Followed lots of your posts recently and I respect your opinions. I have a copy of the KJV 1611 edition. I don't use it as my general reading. I like it for the prefacing historical commentary which includes the rules and guidelines for it's translation.

    The actual text includes old English spellings and even the fonts are appear to be what was original. It includes the Apocrypha as well.

    It was probably printed in the mid 2000's, so no... It's not an original from the early 1600's. But would this not be considered a 1611 edition? Why not? What is different in the text or organization between what I have and what was published in the preceding years of it's conception?

    Not looking to debate... I really don't know what perhaps you do.

    Thanks
     
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    Is it really that the KJV is being attacked? I love the KJV. I grew up on the KJV. But would I ever use it as my primary study? No. Is there anything wrong with the KJV? Well that is kind of a loaded question and it depends on what you mean by that question.
     
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    Thanks for your post. I was not meaning to say people do not have the original 1611 text. I was saying that few, if any, actually use that particular text for their actual study. Most people use the 1780's version known as the Authorized Version or the 1900 version. I hope that clears that up.
     
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    There are two phases of "daily", while the Most Holy Place was Yearly:

    [1] the Courtyard, Altar of sacrifice and laver

    [2] the Holy Place, the Table of Shewbread, Golden Candlesticks/Lamps, Altar of Incense
    Do not confound the two.

    [1] Numbers 29:6 KJB - Beside the burnt offering of the month, and his meat offering, and the daily burnt offering, and his meat offering, and their drink offerings, according unto their manner, for a sweet savour, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD.

    [2] Hebrews 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

    Numbers 4:16 KJB - And to the office of Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest pertaineth the oil for the light, and the sweet incense, and the daily meat offering, and the anointing oil, and the oversight of all the tabernacle, and of all that therein is, in the sanctuary, and in the vessels thereof.

    Exo 27:20 And thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always.
    Exo 27:21 In the tabernacle of the congregation without the vail, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the LORD: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel.​

    And this "daily" is defined as:

    Ezra 3:4 KJB - They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;​

    In anti-type:

    Daniel 8:11 KJB - Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

    Daniel 8:12 KJB - And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

    Daniel 8:13 KJB - Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    Daniel 11:31 KJB - And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    Daniel 12:11 KJB - And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    Acts 6:1 KJB - And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.​
     
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    There are two phases of "daily", while the Most Holy Place was Yearly:

    We see that Paul, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit [2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21, 3:16 KJB], directly ties the words “priest”, “this man [Jesus], “ministering”, “offering”, “oftentimes”, “sacrifices”, “offered”, “take away” and “sins” to the word “daily”.

    The “sacrifices” took place in the Sanctuary courtyard services upon the “altar of burnt offering [sacrifice] [Leviticus 4:10 KJB]. Was there any other place, besides the Sanctuary courtyard, that “the daily” ministration and/or services were to take place? Yes, as we see in Hebrews 9 KJB:

    Hebrews 9:1 KJB - Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

    Hebrews 9:2 KJB - For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

    Hebrews 9:3 KJB - And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

    Hebrews 9:4 KJB - Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

    Hebrews 9:5 KJB - And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

    Hebrews 9:6 KJB - Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

    Hebrews 9:7 KJB - But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

    Hebrews 9:8 KJB - The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

    Side note, In other words, The Most Holy Place, could not begin functioning in the year end-time service, the Day of Atonement, until after the Holy Place services were accomplished. For when, or during the time that, the Holy Place services were still “standing”, it was there that the priest ministered, and not in the Most Holy Place.​

    Hebrews 9:9 KJB - Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

    Hebrews 9:10 KJB - Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

    Hebrews 9:11 KJB - But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

    Hebrews 9:12 KJB - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    Hebrews 9:13 KJB - For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

    Hebrews 9:14 KJB - How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?​

    We can then see that there was “the daily” ministration in the Sanctuary courtyard [where the altar of sacrifice and laver were] service, and also “the daily” ministration in the Sanctuary holy place [where the table of shewbread, 7 branch candlestick, and altar of incense were] service throughout the year, unto the Day of Atonement, which took place in the 10th day of the 7th month.

    [1.] “The daily” of the courtyard:

    There was the “daily” service which took place in the Sanctuary courtyard, with all of the “burnt offerings” [sacrifices] which took place at various times according to the events, but in general there was a “burnt offering” and/or “lamb” and/or “meat offering” “day by day” [Exodus 29:38 KJB], “continual” [Numbers 28:3 KJB], “continually” [1 Chronicles 16:40 KJB], even “daily” [Ezra 3:4; Ezekiel 46:13 KJB] in both:

    [A.] the “evening” [Exodus 29:39,41; Numbers 28:4,8; 1 Chronicles 16:40; Ezra 3:3,4 KJB] times and,

    [B.] the “morning” [Exodus 29:38,39,41; Numbers 28:4,8; 1 Chronicles 16:40; Ezra 3:3,4; Ezekiel 46:13,14,15 KJB] times,

    [C.] besides all of the other times [Exodus 29:38-42; Leviticus 6:12,13,20; Numbers 4:16; 28:2-10,14-15, 23-24,31, 29:6,11,16,19,22,25,28,31,34,38; 1 Chronicles 16:40, 23:28-31; 2 Chronicles 24:14; Ezra 3:2-5; Nehemiah 10:33; Psalms 50:8; Ezekiel 46:14-16 KJB].​

    Was this Camp and Courtyard service the only “daily” service to do? No.​

    [2.] “The daily” of the holy place:

    There was also the “daily” service which took place in the Holy Place of the Tabernacle/Sanctuary behind the first veil, wherein “...[was] the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread ...” [Hebrews 9:2 KJB] and also having the “altar of incense” [Exodus 30:27 KJB].

    In Exodus 25:30 KJB, we see that “the table” [Exodus 35:13, 39:36 KJB], the “table of shewbread”, “shewbread table” [2 Chronicles 29:18 KJB], “the tables whereon the shewbread [was set]” [2 Chronicles 4:19 KJB], the “pure table” [2 Chronicles 13:11 KJB]; the “table of gold” [1 Kings 7:48 KJB] was to be “set upon” “alway” [“continually/perpetually/daily”] with the “continual shewbread” [Numbers 4:3,7; 2 Chronicles 2:4 KJB], set “alway” “before the LORD” [1 Samuel 21:6 KJB] which was replaced/refreshed every week's end on the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God [Leviticus 25:4-9; 1 Samuel 21:6; 1 Chronicles 9:32 KJB], even as Numbers 4:7 KJB and 1 Samuel 21:3-6 KJB [see also Matthew 12:3-4; Mark 2:25-26; Luke 6:3-4 KJB in conjunction] verifies.

    In the Sanctuary holy place, besides the shewbread being the “continual” bread of the presence, and its changing on the 7th day, every week “continually”, there was also to be the “daily” [day by day, perpetually, always, continually] service/upkeep of the “Oil”, “Lamp” and “Incense” [Exodus 27:20,21, 30:1-10; Leviticus 24:2-4 KJB] and these too were to happen from:

    [A.] “evening” [Exodus 27:21, 30:7 KJB] to,

    [B.] “morning” [Exodus 27:21, 30:8 KJB].​

    In fact, the High priest [Aaron] was, in type, to wear a mitre with a golden plackard, “continually”, and was to bear “the names of the Children of Israel” [Exodus 28:29 KJB] upon Himself when He “goeth in unto the Holy [place]” [Exodus 28:29 KJB], “before the LORD” [Exodus 28:30 KJB].

    What is more than this, is that in the wilderness wanderings, before entering into the Promised Land, the Son of God was “alway” [daily; Numbers 9:16 KJB] in the Pillar of Cloud/Fire [Numbers 9:15,16,21 KJB], in both:

    [A.] the “evening” [Numbers 9:15,16,21 KJB] and in,

    [B.] the “morning” [Numbers 9:15,16,21 KJB].​

    As an additional insight, we also see that David, later in time, had set up priest musicians to minster “continually” [1 Chronicles 16:6,37 KJB] “before the Ark” as “every day's work required”.
    There are clearly two services/portions dealing with “the daily”.

    It is not that Christ Jesus has to 'repeat' the sacrifice, for the type is merely type, while anti-type the greater. It is not the sacrifice that is repeated, but that it is 'ministered' "daily", as He is our Great High Priest, and this begins with His ascension into the Holy Place (Hebrews 9:12), and see where Jesus is walking in Revelation 1 in the era of the first church (Ephesus), and see where Jesus appears in Revelation 5 (same era, see vs 6 for Pentecost).
     
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    Exactly. It doesn't need to be repeated daily, just like the yearly sacrifice did not be repeated daily. The High Priest did not offer the daily sacrifices, there were other priests for that. But we see the one and FINAL sacrifice in the holiest place.
     
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    No, a reboot KJV. A better one. Trying to get us to abandon it. Clever indeed
     
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    This is simply a STRAW MAN argument. Updated spellings and punctuation are not changes to the text, simply updates. Let me show you:

    THE TEN COMMANDMENTS -- ORIGINAL KJV

    1 And God spake all these words, saying,
    2 I am the Lord thy God, which haue brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage:
    3 Thou shalt haue no other Gods before me.
    4 Thou shalt not make vnto thee any grauen Image, or any likenesse of any thing that is in heauen aboue, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water vnder the earth.
    5 Thou shalt not bow downe thy selfe to them, nor serue them: For I the Lord thy God am a iealous God, visiting the iniquitie of the fathers vpon the children, vnto the thirde and fourth generation of them that hate me:
    6 And shewing mercy vnto thousands of them that loue mee, and keepe my Commandements.
    7 Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vaine: for the Lord will not holde him guiltlesse, that taketh his Name in vaine.
    8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keepe it holy.
    9 Sixe dayes shalt thou labour, and doe all thy worke:
    10 But the seuenth day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not doe any worke, thou, nor thy sonne, nor thy daughter, thy man seruant, nor thy mayd seruant, nor thy cattell, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    11 For in sixe dayes the Lord made heauen and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seuenth day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and halowed it.
    12 ¶ Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy dayes may bee long vpon the land, which the Lord thy God giueth thee.
    13 Thou shalt not kill.
    14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    15 Thou shalt not steale.
    16 Thou shalt not beare false witnes against thy neighbour.
    17 Thou shalt not couet thy neighbours house, thou shalt not couet thy neighbours wife, nor his man seruant, nor his maid seruant, nor his oxe, nor his asse, nor any thing that is thy neighbours.

    THE TEN COMMANDMENTS -- CURRENT VERSION
    1 And God spake all these words, saying,
    2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
    3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

    5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
    6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
    7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
    8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
    13 Thou shalt not kill.
    14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    15 Thou shalt not steal.
    16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
    17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

    As anyone can see THE TEXT IS EXACTLY AND PRECISELY THE SAME. So we should be asking ourselves why Christians have been bearing false witness against the Word of God (a breach of the Ten Commandments), and rejecting this Bible while replacing it with corrupted bibles?

    Modern critics also bore false witness against the traditional Greek text of the New Testament (which goes all the way back to the autographs). They alleged that the traditional Greek text (which is now the Textus Receptus but also called the Byzantine Text) had been corrupted, and that their handful of corrupted Greek manuscripts -- Aleph, A,B, C, D -- were the purest and the best. But honest scholars such as Burgon and Scrivener proved that these were Gnostic corruptions, which had been discarded by early Christians and thus survived into the 19th century.

    Indeed Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph) was found in the wastebasket of the monastery on Mt Sinai, and would have been used for kindling, had not Tischendorf decided that this corrupt manuscript should be resurrected and foisted on a gullible Christian audience.
     
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    Why did you get bored with the KJV and hop the fence into endless translation land?

    Must you believe everyone that espouses a new redefinition of a Greek word?

    Shall that fraud Strongs debunk the ancient translators some 300 years later as gullible believers think he was smarter than the ancients?

    Kinda see the scam Christianity got sucked into yet?

    Can you now say that any translation is infallible?

    All to debunk the KJV.
     
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    Yes. It is the plum line. Thank God there is a plumb line translation huh?

    If not, the word of God would be translated into oblivion
     
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    The original documents don’t exist.

    Do you think God’s perfect word still exists without the originals?

    Are copies good for it?

    Paul thought so, per Timothy’s copy.
     
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    Yet, the argument is not really against the KJB. It is an argument against the idea of the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God. It could have been called the Ridiculous Bible, or any other such thing. The name (King James, or AV 1611, etc) was and is really irrelevant to their attacks.

    If we (who believe that the KJB is the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God), said, 'Oooops, we were wrong, the KJB is not the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God in English, the NIV (etc) is the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God in English.' they would still not accept that such an thing exists on earth at present, in tangibility. It only exists somewhere in the distant past, in the dusty rooms of archaeology, or worse still in their own minds only (and are still looking for it), if they ever believed such a thing ever existed in the first place.
     
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    It is not precisely and exactly the same. Not to mention, it is a deception that there have been no changes. Has the King James Bible Been Revised? - Thomas Nelson Bibles

    That's a pretty bold claim. How do you know those texts go all the way back to the autographs?
     
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    Let me put it this way: overall have you seen as much attention on one particular version? Willie T (whom I have no problem with and I like his postings) made some claims about KJV only folks. To some degree he may be right... But have you heard anything about "NIV only" folks? Or "ASV ONLY" folks?

    It's kind of like Donald Trump: many follow him adamantly or despise him harshly.

    But there is no other version that gathers both positive and negative attention. That's my observation over the last 18-20 years as a discussion board participant.

    My hope was just to say that some of us are not that unreasonable.
     
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    Got it... Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    I see what you are saying. But I think there is also a difference, as you have pointed out, between KJV Only, and what I like to call KJV Preferred. KJV Onlyism are those that I see as militant about it to the point that you are a heretic if you use anything else. There is quite a bit of this. For example, have you ever seen the bumper sticker, "If it ain't King James, it ain't Bible"? I have on more than one occasion in more than one state.

    The reason you don't see this with other translations is I do not think they exist, at least not in noticeable quantities. I've never heard someone be militant about the NIV, ASV, NASB, ESV, et all. Have you?

    So I do attack the nonsense of KJV Onlyism, but I have zero problems with KJV Preferred.

    Agreed, and I hope that others understand that. Unfortunately, KJV Preferred often get lumped in with the militant KJVO and that is wrong.
     
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    When dealing with the word of God - Scripture, it is because false ecumenism says, "Let us have ours, and you have yours, just don't tell us there is anything wrong with ours". In other words, there is no such thing as "the" truth, and everything is acceptable except "the" truth alone.

    It is the same with the Word of God - Jesus. The false ecumenism says, "Let us have ours (Jesus) and you have yours (Jesus), just don't tell us there is anything wrong with ours (Jesus)." In other words, there is no such things as "the" Jesus, and everything is acceptable except "the" Jesus alone.

    The militancy, is not about any 'version', but about the idea of the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God, while the militancy exists on both sides, the ones who believe that such exists, and those who don't (and thus it doesn't matter which 'version' they use; they themselves being the final arbiter of what they will accept).
     
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