Well a non believer of Christ is someone who does not adhere, advocate and uphold the Christian values. Sometimes it is a way of denying what people tends to perceive as real but "very not so human". Too much acts of kindness, humility and forgiveness are works of foolish people but are actually the lessons portrayed in most of Jesus' teachings. So i believe that in the eyes of God both believers and non believers of Christianity are responsible to follow or conform with the values that they adhere regardless of whatever religion it is. What is important is that each and everyone has faith and believes that there is one supreme being who maybe known in different names. We all have the right to choose the religion where we want to belong. it may not be called Christianity, He may not be call Christ but still it is believing in a Supreme Being.
Are nonbelievers responsible for following Christian values?
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Jesus told His disciples, He alone is the way the truth and the life. This is the theme of the Bible, there is one God. That meant that there are two types of people, those in Adam and those in Christ. Secular and post modern, relativist society gives credit to all different beliefs (ironically only where it fits secular, post modern, relativist values, but thats another story) However as far as Christianity is concerned anything that isnt of God is against God. Christ said this, what is not for Him is against Him. So for example, Islam, Wicca, Hinduism, Atheism, secualrism, agnosticism, is all in Adam.
Christians can get deceived into thinking the way the world does.
The concept that aspen2 is bringing, of non-believer and believer however is of course correct, at the very least in that the NT is written first to the believer so that the believer can witness to the non believer, so that the non-believer may believe. This is where the detail comes.
For God and the Christian however, the non-believer is not someone who has a right to disbelieve, they have a choice, but not a right. It is the world that confers a right on the choice.
God wishes that none perish but all come to repentance, so aspen2 is correct to say that voting for laws wont cause belief, so why vote for imposition of laws on non-believrs. The problem is it works both ways, if it has no effect, why not vote for impostion of laws on non-believers.
The key, only the world sees the non-believer as having a right against imposition.
Christians can get deceived into thinking the way the world does.
The concept that aspen2 is bringing, of non-believer and believer however is of course correct, at the very least in that the NT is written first to the believer so that the believer can witness to the non believer, so that the non-believer may believe. This is where the detail comes.
For God and the Christian however, the non-believer is not someone who has a right to disbelieve, they have a choice, but not a right. It is the world that confers a right on the choice.
God wishes that none perish but all come to repentance, so aspen2 is correct to say that voting for laws wont cause belief, so why vote for imposition of laws on non-believrs. The problem is it works both ways, if it has no effect, why not vote for impostion of laws on non-believers.
The key, only the world sees the non-believer as having a right against imposition.
-- Well said.
Also, Aspen's point that voting for laws won't create belief is accurate, but obfuscating.
People who voted against gay marraige weren't voting that way to "cause belief."
They were voting to keep something they feel is wrong from becoming law. "Causing belief" was not their intention.
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I think I have said everything on this topic that I plan to say. I appreciate the discussion. I also see many of the points made in the last three posts and agree.
So, to the thread question, are non-believers repsonsible for following Christ's values, the answer is yes, God created them to. They are also responsible for choosing not to as they will face the consequences for their choice.
Yes they are allowed, but they are NOT free from the law of sowing and reaping. They are also not free from the repercussion of not asking Jesus to be their Saviour and cleanse their sins. God has no hold on non-believers, but His word also says that He is not willing that ANY should perish. 2 Peter 3:9 and Matthew 18:14
Also as Christians, we should NOT try to legislate morality for unbelievers, such as saying homosexuals should not allowed to be married civilly. This is a law of the land that we as Christians have nothing to do with.
-- Christians are not required to sit on their hands when people are trying to pass laws that Christians find morally reprehensible.
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Foreigner said
Daniel 4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones:
to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Daniel prayed three times a day, and was preserved several times. This is our example of how to live under 'base men'.
Daniel 4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones:
to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Daniel prayed three times a day, and was preserved several times. This is our example of how to live under 'base men'.
-- The simple fact that there is nothing scriptural that says Christians should not exercize their rights as citizens.
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Romans 12:18
If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all people.
Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Romans 14:19
So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
Romans 13:7
Pay everyone what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are due; revenue to whom revenue is due; respect to whom respect is due; honour to whom honour is due.
1 Peter 2:13-14
[sup]13 [/sup]Submit to every human authority on account of the Lord, whether to the king as supreme, [sup]14 [/sup]or to governors as those sent by him for the punishment of those who do evil and the praise of those who do good.
1 Peter 2:17
Honor everyone; love the brotherhood; reverence God; honor the king.
and finally,
Philippians 3:20
But our citizenship is in heaven, and it is from there that we eagerly await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Americans do have the right to free speech, but ask the Dixie Chicks what happened to them when they excersied their free speech?
Gosh, it's swell that you posted all those really neat scriptures....unfortunately, none of them void or refute what I said.
1 Peter 2:13-14 tells Christians to obey the laws. That doesn't void exercising their rights within the law.
I know what happened to the Dixie Chicks. I find it amusing that you would think that is proof that someone should remain quiet.
Guess the early Christians that were imprisoned, tortured, and killed for preaching the Gospel and refusing to compromise should have just kept their mouths shut, huh?
After all, laws against Christians were "the law of the land."
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1 Peter 2:13-14 tells Christians to obey the laws. That doesn't void exercising their rights within the law.
I know what happened to the Dixie Chicks. I find it amusing that you would think that is proof that someone should remain quiet.
Guess the early Christians that were imprisoned, tortured, and killed for preaching the Gospel and refusing to compromise should have just kept their mouths shut, huh?
After all, laws against Christians were "the law of the land."
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