Are Protestants "saved? "

[Taken]

Nope. Jesus commissioned the apostles to go and authorize new disciples. Hence all those churches Paul was visiting, each headed by an apostle or one so designated by an apostle or his successor.

But, but, but... you are Preaching Christ's Church was built upon Peter. Yes?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Yehren]

But, but, but... you are Preaching Christ's Church was built upon Peter. Yes?

So Jesus said:

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

 

[Taken]

So Jesus said:

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

I own a number of Bibles. Quoting me Scripture, does NOT Reveal the Understanding.

We have a difference of Understanding.

Jesus Christ is The Founder. The Base, The Rock, The One Who Established His Church...
Everyone IS added as a stone upon stone.

Everyone added....is NOT added Because of Peter...
But Because each one added Confessed:
Jesus is Christ, The Son of the Living God.

Peter, every Apostle, every FOLLOWING Disciple and millions of others are as living stones, an ongoing building of Christ's Church.

The KEYS, a whole other Topic and indepth study.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Yehren]

Jesus Christ is The Founder. The Base, The Rock, The One Who Established His Church...
Everyone IS added as a stone upon stone.

Let's take another look at what He said...

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

I think He got it right.

 

[Brakelite]

Let's take another look at what He said...

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

I think He got it right.

Of course He got it right. But do you?

 

[Yehren]

Of course He got it right. But do you?

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Sounds right to me.

 

[Brakelite]

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Sounds right to me.

On the basis of that scripture it was believed Peter stood at the gates of heaven with a key and he had the last say on who entered and who was denied. That was reflected in Popes believing they had that last say. "There is a way that seemeth right to a man....".

 

[Taken]

Let's take another look at what He said...

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

I think He got it right.

I know Jesus got it right.
Our disagreement is NOT About what Jesus SAID.
Our difference is About understanding the Meaning of WHAT Jesus SAID.

Christ Jesus' Church is built upon ...
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
And any man who Heartfully Confesses;
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God,
Is MADE a member of Christ Jesus' Church.
BECAUSE, Christ Jesus IS the Rock of a man's Salvation.

Seems you are Preaching Peter is the "rock" of "your" Salvation.

Whereas, the "Rock" of MY Salvation IS CHRIST JESUS.

And ANY man; Peter, Paul, John, Mary, Timothy, (or ANY man not identified in Scripture), Who has heartfully Accepted Gods Truth, that:
Jesus is Christ, the Son of the Living God.
IS "MADE" a MEMBER of Christ Jesus' Spiritual Church.
Every Member, IS a "living stone"... one upon the Other OF the Rock, who IS Christ Jesus.

Every Member (Living stones), of Christ Jesus Church; Are "Brothers", and THE Rock, is "Their GOD".

If Peter is "your" rock...then he must be "your" god.

For me; Peter is "a living stone", as is every Member of Christ's Church.

For me;
God is my Rock.
Christ is my Rock of a my Salvation.
Christ's Church is a membership of stones, (of men who Heartfully Believed & Confessed;
"Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God"

Peter and every disciple making that Confession...DOES NOT "Make" them "my God", "my Savior", "my Strength", "my Rock"...
It "Makes" them; "my brother", "IN" Christ the Lord Jesus.

Psalms 18:
[2] The LORD is "my rock", and "my fortress", and "my deliverer"; "my God", "my strength", in whom I will trust; "my buckler", and the horn of "my salvation", and "my high tower."

If "Peter" is "your" rock...<--- THAT is your and my difference.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

On the basis of that scripture it was believed Peter stood at the gates of heaven with a key and he had the last say on who entered and who was denied.

A Very "Loose" teaching that has been "loosely" depicted, in memes, "as if " Peter has SOLE Authority over WHO CAN enter the Lords Kingdom, and WHO CAN NOT enter.

popes

And "yes", a particular Christian Denomination, teaches Peter had that SOLE Authority, and by election of men, have "Transferred", "that supposed" SOLE Authority, to other men.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Yehren]

Our disagreement is NOT About what Jesus SAID.

True. It's about your revision of what He meant.

 

[Yehren]

A Very "Loose" teaching that has been "loosely" depicted, in memes, "as if " Peter has SOLE Authority over WHO CAN enter the Lords Kingdom, and WHO CAN NOT enter.

No, but if you'll revise God's word, I suppose it's no big thing to revise the doctrines of His Church.

 

[Yehren]

If "Peter" is "your" rock...<--- THAT is your and my difference.

(Barbarian checks)

No. Jesus says Peter was His rock, on which He would build his church:

Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Take it up with him, not me.

 

[Taken]

True. It's about your revision of what He meant.

Actually as you were already told more than once;
the surname Simon was given and its meaning,
AND
the translation of that name and its meaning revision in English. (Which BTW...is NOT accredited to me).

 

[Yehren]

Actually as you were already told more than once;
the surname Simon was given and its meaning,
AND
the translation of that name and its meaning revision in English. (Which BTW...is NOT accredited to me).

Sorry, I'll go with Jesus on this one. Jesus didn't speak English. The language didn't even exist during His ministry here.

 

[Taken]

No, but if you'll revise God's word, I suppose it's no big thing to revise the doctrines of His Church.

Who is the Rock of Christ's Church...?
I say Christ....

And you say Peter.

I'll take my chances with what I believe.

 

[Taken]

Sorry, I'll go with Jesus on this one. Jesus didn't speak English. The language didn't even exist during His ministry here.

Oh, so what language, spelling, and meaning did Jesus Make Simon's surname?

 

[Taken]

(Barbarian checks)

No. Jesus says Peter was His rock, on which He would build his church:

Completely Backwards.
Jesus acknowledges, "Peter acknowledging JESUS is Peters Rock

Take it up with him, not me.

Already have, and why I disagree with your undrstanding.

This discussion with you is exhausted.
Only God can give you understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Yehren]

This discussion with you is exhausted.
Only God can give you understanding.

True of all of us. Think it over, and trust Him.

 

[Taken]

True of all of us. Think it over, and trust Him.

Trusting the Lord was never the Topic. I don't require a Reminder for what I already do.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Yehren]

Trusting the Lord was never the Topic. I don't require a Reminder for what I already do.

Don't just say it. Do it.