Are the 10 Commandments the Law of Moses?

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heretoeternity said:
The laws God wrote himself on the stone tablets are never obsolete..as Jesus said in Matthew 5 heaven and earth will pass away but nothing will change in God's law until all is fulfilled...obviously referring to His return, as heaven and earth are still here, and we have not reached the "fulfillment"...
Acts 15 does away with the law of Moses except for the four points mentioned....too bad satan has blinded you so you are unable to make the distinction...and
Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin...
It's important that if you quote scripture, you quote it fully and in context. I gave you the scripture from Hebrews, and Jesus says the same thing in Matt 5:18

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Jesus accomplished everything when He rose from the dead. You can't ignore one scripture because you don't like it and quote another hoping someone will accept that it supersedes the former. They all have to be taken into account.
 

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heretoeternity said:
The laws God wrote himself on the stone tablets are never obsolete..as Jesus said in Matthew 5 heaven and earth will pass away but nothing will change in God's law until all is fulfilled...obviously referring to His return, as heaven and earth are still here, and we have not reached the "fulfillment"...
Jesus did not say anything about what "God wrote himself on stone tablets" in Matthew 5!

What he actually did refer to, which is something adventists completely ignore in favor of their doctrine, is that neither the "Law or the prophets" would be abolished. And then he clearly indicated that it was ALL a solid unit saying "not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished", which completely demolishes the SDA claim that there is a division between "moral" and "sacrificial" laws.

If you count Matthew 5 as authoritative to Christians then why aren't you defending circumcision?

Obviously, Jesus considered everything written in the OT - the law, the prophets, and each and every stroke of the pen - to be God's word. And there is nothing in scripture, anywhere, that indicates that the fact that the 10 commandments being written by the finger of God has anything to do with permanence. You cannot add to scripture something that scripture does not say, especially when it contradicts what scripture explicitly says:

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)

And if you want scriptures that show that the 10 commandments were a part of the old covenant, then just let me know...

Acts 15 does away with the law of Moses except for the four points mentioned
Acts 15 does no such thing!

Acts 15 is a historical account. It is not doctrine. You should never use historical accounts to nullify doctrinal scripture. On the contrary, what you should do is interpret historical accounts in the light of clear doctrine. Clear doctrine teaches us that the apostle Paul "became like a Jew in order to win the Jews", even going so far as getting Timothy circumcised (which plainly contradicted his own teaching (Gal 5:2)) in order to promote the gospel message, which was his utmost priority.

You need to make an effort to understand the historical implications involved at a time when spreading the entire gospel message was far more controversial and dangerous than it is today.

And why are you not addressing the points that I have made? Are you able to meed the challenges I have made or can you not?

I have asked yout this time and time again!

Where is your response to this?
 

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It is quite simple, you break the two you break all 693 commands. The ten are part of those.

Keep the two, you fulfill the 693, including the ten.

I cannot fathom why any Christian needs to hold the ten in such high regard when we have the two.

To me it smacks of tradition for traditions sake. Which is levitical and NOT of the new way.
 
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I've said it before, if you live as Christ wants us to live, like Him, then the rest falls into place. Follow Christ and His word, you are set! :) It's actually quite simple :)
 

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pom2014 said:
It is quite simple, you break the two you break all 693 commands. The ten are part of those.

Keep the two, you fulfill the 693, including the ten.

I cannot fathom why any Christian needs to hold the ten in such high regard when we have the two.

To me it smacks of tradition for traditions sake. Which is levitical and NOT of the new way.
Then why all the handwringing and condemnation by "christian" organizations and "christians" when government officials remove God's ten commandments out of public buildings, court houses etc?: If what you say is correct then they are obsolete, then what's the problem? Could it be thats why society is in such a mess? I am under the impression God's law the ten commandments are written on our hearts and minds, if we are true followers and believers in God and His word..Jer 31(33) Heb 8 and Heb 10...

Remember always Salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments (which are written on the hearts and minds of true believers), and NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
 

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heretoeternity said:
Then why all the handwringing and condemnation by "christian" organizations and "christians" when government officials remove God's ten commandments out of public buildings, court houses etc?:
Why wouldn't they??? .... Unless of course you are assuming that "christain" organizations are arguing that the law has been completely abolished.

I agree with you that anyone who cliams that the Mosaic law has been abolished for everyone, rather than being obsolete for Christians (you know, with the capital C... and without the quotes), has been deceived.

And why are you not addressing the points that I have made? Are you able to meet the challenges I have made or can you not?

I will keep on asking this until you do.... which I higly doubt you will.
 

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Your cut and paste quotes are erroneous and out of context, and are indicative of the false teachings you have endured..your eyes and ears are obviously closed to the truth...as the old saying goes I can lead a donkey to water, but you have to drink on your own..your own free will...time you prayed to learn the truth and it will make you free as Jesus said...and

Remember always salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his false teachings which include his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
 

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heretoeternity said:
Your cut and paste quotes are erroneous and out of context, and are indicative of the false teachings you have endured..your eyes and ears are obviously closed to the truth...as the old saying goes I can lead a donkey to water, but you have to drink on your own..your own free will...time you prayed to learn the truth and it will make you free as Jesus said...and

Remember always salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his false teachings which include his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
What "cut and paste" quotes are you talking about?

And if you want to make assertions about what the "truth" is, then why don't you back them up, instead of just asserting them. I have asked you time and time again to back them up. Why do you, and ALL other SDAs fail to do so?
 

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If you do not believe in God's Holy ten commandments, which He Himself wrote, then you obviously do not have them written on your hearts and minds, as the Bible says..Jer 31, Heb 8 and 10...then what "god" are you following? Does not seem to be the God of the Bible, in the Old and New Covenants...maybe you should take Apostle John's advice and "test the spirit you are following" and heed Jesus warnings "many false prophets shall come in my name" and "make sure no one deceives you"....seems the false teachings of mainstream "christianity" has brainwashed the the majority of professing "christians"...satan has done his job very well in this respect...turned very simple teachings of Jesus and God, into a convoluted, fragmented, counterfeit movement called "christianity"..time to get back to the basics, forget all the false teachings your have endured and get back to the basics of the Bible, prayer for understanding and take away the rebellious spirit, and follow the teachings of the Bible as they are written....start by remembering

Salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his teachings and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
 

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heretoeternity said:
If you do not believe in God's Holy ten commandments, which He Himself wrote, then you obviously do not have them written on your hearts and minds, as the Bible says..Jer 31, Heb 8 and 10...then what "god" are you following?
The idea that the 10 commandments are more "God's word" then the rest of scripture is an addition to what scripture itself says. This is a false distinction created by SDAs in order to defend their own theology. If it was important for us to distinguish between what was "written by God" and what was "written by Moses", then why does the Bible refer to the commandments as "what Moses said" (Mk 7:9-10), and that what was written on "tablets of stone" (2 Cor 3:3) and was "engraved in letters on stone" (2 Cor 3:7) is referred to as reading Moses (2 Cor 3:15)?

Do not twist scripture in order to make it fit your theology!

Answer me this: when SDAs add things to scripture, distorting the truth as they do, then what "god" to they follow?

You also might be kind enough to show me where Jer 31, Heb 8 and 10 refer to the 10 commandments. They don't. You need to wedge it in, in order to make it say what you want it to say.



...maybe you should take Apostle John's advice and "test the spirit you are following" and heed Jesus warnings "many false prophets shall come in my name" and "make sure no one deceives you"....seems the false teachings of mainstream "christianity" has brainwashed the the majority of professing "christians"...satan has done his job very well in this respect...turned very simple teachings of Jesus and God, into a convoluted, fragmented, counterfeit movement called "christianity"..time to get back to the basics, forget all the false teachings your have endured and get back to the basics of the Bible, prayer for understanding and take away the rebellious spirit, and follow the teachings of the Bible as they are written....start by remembering
Testing the spirits is exactly what I am doing in this tread.

If what you claim is of the spirit of God then obviously your theology would:

1. Not contradict or break scripture in any way whatsoever.
2. Not add or subtract anything from scripture.
3. Not go beyond what is written.
4. Harmonize completely with everything written in scripture, and
5. Not allow human reasoning, or "fine-sounding arguments", to nullify scripture.

You are the one failing the test here heretoeternity...

So why do you continuously refuse to meet my challenge?
 

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heretoeternity said:
There were ten commandments written by the hand of God on the stone tablets and placed in the ark of the Covenant..Ex 20...these are what Apostle James refers to as "the royal law".....as Apostle John says in 1st John, those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them...as Jesus also said in John 14 v 15 if you love me keep my commandments..again referring to the Ten commandments..

Remember salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin...
John affirms in his epistle that commands are to Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another.

The Royal Law is love.
Love God, and love others. Love is the fulfillment of the law.
 

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Heretoeternity

It seems to me it’s you who is doing the “cutting and pasting”. For example, the last paragraph of your posts almost contains the same words.

If Jesus’ birthday is not on Dec. 25th, or if His Resurrection is not on Easter, and if Sunday (1st Day of the Week) is not the day of worship, as you’ve claimed, is it a sin to celebrate these events anyway on those particular days and if so, can you give Scripture references?

I know why you are so adamant as to make the Ten Commandments especially important because your church still observes the Seventh Day Sabbath, and because your church’s founder, Ellen G. White seeing a vision of a halo around the fourth commandment thereby, making the fourth commandment seem more important than the rest of the commandments.

In post #29, you said and I quote: “seems the false teachings of mainstream “Christianity” has brainwashed the majority of professing “Christians”…etc. Without knowing it, I do believe it was yourself you were speaking of, or do you consider yourself a Christian? A Christian is someone “of Christ’s”.

Jesus said, ‘My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me’. John 10:27

You do not know Jesus, you do not follow Him, nor can you hear His voice. If you did you would have learned that He changed the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to the 1st Day of the Week Sabbath Worship, and you would not have said that "Christians" have been brainwashed!

The first century believers had it correct to worship on the 1st Day of the Week! Paul began to preach in the Synagogues on the 1st Day of the Week in the Book of Acts. But this is not the book where the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship was changed to the 1st Day of the Week Sabbath Worship (Sunday Sabbath) can be found.

Have you or your denomination ever studied and understood the correlation between the Sabbath Rest and the Seventh Day Sabbath, or the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath in Numbers 15:32-36 and God told Moses to stone him to death?

Do you or your denomination really have any idea the severity and consequences of the Seventh Day Sabbath?

I will reserve from giving the scripture text that points to the change from the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to the 1st Day of the Week Sabbath Worship, until I learn which subjects above you will reply to, preferably all.

To God Be The Glory
 

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Dear Heretoeternity,
I think what is important for all of us from all different denomination is to :
1 Peter 2:17 "Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king."
Acts 2:38 "Repent, be baptised in Jesus name and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

We (I'm from the catholic church) from the beginning introduced Christmas, Easter and all the other days as a remembrance to Jesus, the Virgin Mary and the saints. Tell me what reason makes you think that the other denomination are pagan? Do we not worship the same God? Deep down in every denomination is a similarity, that the Son of God died for man so that man could be forgiven of their sins and have eternal life.

We all believe in Christ, and that Christ died for us.

Chris
 

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Dear Heretoeternity,
I think what is important for all of us from all different denomination is to :
1 Peter 2:17 "Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king."
Acts 2:38 "Repent, be baptised in Jesus name and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

We (I'm from the catholic church) from the beginning introduced Christmas, Easter and all the other days as a remembrance to Jesus, the Virgin Mary and the saints. Tell me what reason makes you think that the other denomination are pagan? Do we not worship the same God? Deep down in every denomination is a similarity, that the Son of God died for man so that man could be forgiven of their sins and have eternal life.

We all believe in Christ, and that Christ died for us.

Chris
TopherNelson said:
Dear Heretoeternity,
I think what is important for all of us from all different denomination is to :
1 Peter 2:17 "Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king."
Acts 2:38 "Repent, be baptised in Jesus name and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

We (I'm from the catholic church) from the beginning introduced Christmas, Easter and all the other days as a remembrance to Jesus, the Virgin Mary and the saints. Tell me what reason makes you think that the other denomination are pagan? Do we not worship the same God? Deep down in every denomination is a similarity, that the Son of God died for man so that man could be forgiven of their sins and have eternal life.

We all believe in Christ, and that Christ died for us.

Chris
So, you're 15 now. How old were you when you had your first communion?
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I had not receive the Eucharist yet. My step-father is atheist, mother is a Buddhist, and my stepbrothers and stepsister are baptist. I was baptist until God call me to his church. My parish priest said they will confirm me by Christmas next year if I join RCIA. I have one and a half year to go.
 

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Moses himself stated that:

Deuteronomy 4:12-14 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. 13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. 14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

The Lord Himself declared unto Israel the 10 Commandments. The statutes and judgements were declared unto Israel by the mouth of Moses. It is God Himself that wrote the 10 Commandments. By whom were the statutes and judgments written by?

Deuteronomy 31:24-26 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, 25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, 26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Joshua 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

Only the book of the law was given the name "the law of Moses". It was not the Tables of Testimony written with the finger of God that were given that name. This is essential to understand, for if we do not, we make erroneous assumptions, like that the Tables of Testimony are considered the law of Moses, which through rightly dividing the Word of God, we find that they are not. They are not the same thing.
"You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman."
- Genesis 3:4

Calling God a liar is not a new thing on the earth. The garden snake did it, satan does it, and men have been mimicking the lie ever since. Has God not said what is good and right and what is not? Who stands against the Word of God - man or the devil or a partnership of the two?

Using religious bigotry against a particular group of Christians to justify calling God a liar will not stand. The law was given by grace and for the redemption of man. Without it, no man can know his own sin. One cannot be healed of a disease unless he knows he is sick. The law fulfills that function on earth today.

The law still stands. It is not reduced by personal bias, opinion or false doctrines of devils. It is a gift from God and should be respected and considered as something of value, not dirty paper to be flushed away.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
- Jesus (Matt 5:17)

When Jesus said He had NOT come to abolish the law, what do you suppose that meant? The law still stands. Which part of NOT is not understood?

He who does not live by the law shall die by the law. But there are those who will retort by saying they live under grace instead. Let me ask a simple question. Does grace mean that such a man has a license to sin or does it mean he is no longer forced to live BY sin?

I actually heard a preacher tell his congregation that they should "go out and sin all your want this week so that grace may abound." Romans 6:2 states 'MAY IT NEVER BE." Grace does not abolish the law. Grace makes the law live in the hearts of the disciple.

Beware o sinner lest you fall into a trap of your own making. JUDGMENT BEGINS IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD. (1 Peter 4:17) The Christian who thinks he has a license to sin is the first to feel the chastisement of the Hand of God.

Unless pain is something you enjoy, I suggest adopting a healthy respect for the law.

​and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

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TopherNelson said:
I had not receive the Eucharist yet. My step-father is atheist, mother is a Buddhist, and my stepbrothers and stepsister are baptist. I was baptist until God call me to his church. My parish priest said they will confirm me by Christmas next year if I join RCIA. I have one and a half year to go.
Hi Topher,

I probably should not pursue this discussion much further on this thread. It is debatable whether or not it is compatible with the OP. However, I do discuss some of the 10 Commandments in the link I'm going to give you.

I've written a treatise regarding the eucharist. You can find it at http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?1361-The-Ultimate-Catholic-Idol

I do not participate on that forum anymore. It is an RCC forum and I'm not welcome there, but previous postings of mine are still there. In fact, lots of things I did not post, that I've written, are there as well. After I left there, some on this RCC site followed me to forums I did post on, took some of my material, posted it on their RCC forum, and would critique it and ridicule it. It made them feel very safe since they knew that I would not respond on their forum and expose their biblical illiteracy. And expose I did, time and time again. But they were not interested in the Bible, they were only interested in RCC doctrine, which is contrary to the Bible.

Zeke25
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
- Jesus (Matt 5:17)

When Jesus said He had NOT come to abolish the law, what do you suppose that meant? The law still stands. Which part of NOT is not understood?

He who does not live by the law shall die by the law. But there are those who will retort by saying they live under grace instead. Let me ask a simple question. Does grace mean that such a man has a license to sin or does it mean he is no longer forced to live BY sin?

I actually heard a preacher tell his congregation that they should "go out and sin all your want this week so that grace may abound." Romans 6:2 states 'MAY IT NEVER BE." Grace does not abolish the law. Grace makes the law live in the hearts of the disciple.
Choir Loft,

You didn't tell us what you think Mt. 5:17 means, but you did ask what someone else thinks it means. (Although, I doubt seriously that it was anything more than a rhetorical question with no sincerity on your part to learn the answer). It means that Christ has fulfilled all of the requirements of the law. As a born again Christian I need not worry about keeping the law anymore, because it has been kept and fulfilled for me. But of course, I do not ignore the law. But I am not bound to the handwriting of ordinances that was against me (Colossians 2:14).

The law does not still stand! What part of 2 Corinthians 3:7,11, do you not understand?

2 Corinthians 3:6-16 KJV, “6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
Verse 10 explains that the glory of the Law had no glory at all when compared to the glory of the spirit; namely, doing away with the Law and replacing it with grace.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Verse 11 means the Law was done away with, which is also stated in verse 7.

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

As in verse 7 and 11, it is stated again in verse 13. The Law has been abolished. Which means the requirement to live under the oppressiveness and condemnation of the Law was done away with and replaced with grace and love.

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Those that return to the Law and teach others to do the same have a vail over their eyes and heart. Why put yourself under this vail? This is the gospel of man, this is the gospel of the antichrist. These people have rejected Christ, no matter how much they protest to the contrary. This is not my judgment call, this is what Scripture declares. Galatians 5:4 KJV, “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” Do you think you are not justifying yourself by the Law when you shackle yourself and others with the Law? Oh, but you are! Read the whole counsel of God, I could quote many more Scriptures, you need to find them. But a true born again Christian can be temporarily deceived. If so, they will listen to the Holy Ghost and come out of this antichrist system and not oppose the Living God. If they do not come out, the hand writing is on the wall. Daniel 5:27 KJV, “TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.” The kingdom has been taken from you.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.” Repent, return to the Lord.


As far as this preacher you heard tell his congregation to go sin more, don't listen to him anymore.

In Christ,
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Zeke, of course the law of Moses the sacrificial, feast, festival, food etc laws (613 or so) are no longer to be kept, as these were given to Moses to write down and give to the people.
God's law, the Ten commandments are supposed to be written on true Christians hearts and minds and therefore naturally easy to follow with the help of the Holy Spirit..these Ten Commandments which God wrote Himself, will be around forever...as Jesus said, if you read all of Matthew 5, Heaven and earth will pass away, but not one thing will be changed in the law until ALL is fulfilled. As Heaven and earth are still here, obviously all has NOT been fulfilled yet...
 

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heretoeternity said:
Zeke, of course the law of Moses the sacrificial, feast, festival, food etc laws (613 or so) are no longer to be kept, as these were given to Moses to write down and give to the people.
God's law, the Ten commandments are supposed to be written on true Christians hearts and minds and therefore naturally easy to follow with the help of the Holy Spirit..these Ten Commandments which God wrote Himself, will be around forever...as Jesus said, if you read all of Matthew 5, Heaven and earth will pass away, but not one thing will be changed in the law until ALL is fulfilled. As Heaven and earth are still here, obviously all has NOT been fulfilled yet...
I am going to keep asking you this heretoeternity. How do you harmonize your views with the rest of scripture?

And if you rely on Matthew 5 to support you then obviously every single stroke of the pen in the OT still applies, which disproves the above.

The ONLY theology and faith that harmonizes with this is the one that understands and believes that Jesus fulfilled the law in our place.
 

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heretoeternity said:
Zeke, of course the law of Moses the sacrificial, feast, festival, food etc laws (613 or so) are no longer to be kept, as these were given to Moses to write down and give to the people.
God's law, the Ten commandments are supposed to be written on true Christians hearts and minds and therefore naturally easy to follow with the help of the Holy Spirit..these Ten Commandments which God wrote Himself, will be around forever...as Jesus said, if you read all of Matthew 5, Heaven and earth will pass away, but not one thing will be changed in the law until ALL is fulfilled. As Heaven and earth are still here, obviously all has NOT been fulfilled yet...
HTE,

Can you find one Scripture, from the OT or the NT, that states that the Ten Commandments or the Law of Moses was ever given to NT believers or even any one other than the Hebrews beginning with Moses and afterwards? If you can find it, please share it, I need to know.

Zeke25