ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR US?

[Doug]

[Exodus 34:27-28 KJV] 27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The ten commandments are the words of the covenant.

The covenant was made with Moses and Israel.

[Deu 4:13-14 KJV] 13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. 14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

The ten commandments of the covenant would be part of the law given to Israel to obey.

We are not under the covenant and are not commanded to keep the ten commandments.

Paul did relay the essence of the ten commandments, with the exception of the sabbath, in his epistles.

PAUL UPHELD THE TEN COMMANDMENTS​

In Paul we find our ten commandments to obey.

 

[Bob]

Thank you for your post.

For Christians, the commandments are Love God and Love Your Neighbor.

In Commandments 6-10, God is saying do no harm (and do not even think about it). This is one of the characteristics of Love Your Neighbor (although Jesus put it more positively, in terms of sharing with others and caring for others).

If we want to understand the two great commandments, it helps to understand what God has told us in the Old Testament.

Blessings.

 

[Behold]

The value of the 10 Commandments regarding a Christian is that we see God's morality, and we are to be in snyc.

We never try to keep commandment to try to stay saved, as once that has become your broken faith, then your trust in Christ is gone because you are now become SELF Righteous.

The 10 Commandments, are a lifestyle boundary.

 

[Augustin56]

Yes, the 10 Commandments are for us. They are a summary of the Natural Law. They tell us how God designed us to best live our lives.

 

[Doug]

Thank you for your post.

For Christians, the commandments are Love God and Love Your Neighbor.

In Commandments 6-10, God is saying do no harm (and do not even think about it). This is one of the characteristics of Love Your Neighbor (although Jesus put it more positively, in terms of sharing with others and caring for others).

If we want to understand the two great commandments, it helps to understand what God has told us in the Old Testament.

Blessings.

Love causes no harm to others and therefore fulfills the law

We can however find more commandments in Paul's epistles

 

[Jack]

PAUL UPHELD THE TEN COMMANDMENTS​

Nope! No Sabbath commands in the NT!! NONE! The Law of Moses was ONLY for Israel!

 

[Toro55]

They are all sins in the Catholic Church they are considered mortal sins.If you murder some one its a great sin I could go through them all and say the same thing - there is no free pass on them.

 

[Doug]

Nope! No Sabbath commands in the NT!! NONE! The Law of Moses was ONLY for Israel!

I think you missed this in the post

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

There is no commandment to observe the sabbath.

I said all the commandments except to keep the sabbath

 

[LoveYeshua]

I think you missed this in the post

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

There is no commandment to observe the sabbath.

I said all the commandments except to keep the sabbath

Doug, you just quoted one of the ten commandments about keeping the sabbath, how can you say there is no commandment to observe the sabbath? Do you deny Jesus, the disciples and Paul observed the sabbath? If you do, I have verses that say they all observed the sabbath, Yes even after Jesus ascension to Paradise they did.

 

[Doug]

Doug, you just quoted one of the ten commandments about keeping the sabbath, how can you say there is no commandment to observe the sabbath? Do you deny Jesus, the disciples and Paul observed the sabbath? If you do, I have verses that say they all observed the sabbath, Yes even after Jesus ascension to Paradise they did.

Paul did not command us to keep the sabbath in any of his epistles

[Col 2:16 KJV] "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:".......... We arent to be judged if we dont keep the sabbath

[Rom 14:5 KJV] "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."
[Rom 14:6 KJV] "He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."..............Paul allows us to be persuaded in our minds about what is not commanded

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Exodus 34:27-28 KJV] 27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The ten commandments are the words of the covenant.

The covenant was made with Moses and Israel.

[Deu 4:13-14 KJV] 13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. 14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

The ten commandments of the covenant would be part of the law given to Israel to obey.

We are not under the covenant and are not commanded to keep the ten commandments.

Paul did relay the essence of the ten commandments, with the exception of the sabbath, in his epistles.

PAUL UPHELD THE TEN COMMANDMENTS​

In Paul we find our ten commandments to obey.

Wrong!

2 Cor. 3:
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The ten commandments are a ministry of death, not life!

1 Cor. 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Sin gets its strength through the law!

Gal. 3:
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The ten commandments were a temporary school master.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Paul did not command us to keep the sabbath in any of his epistles

[Col 2:16 KJV] "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:".......... We arent to be judged if we dont keep the sabbath

[Rom 14:5 KJV] "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."
[Rom 14:6 KJV] "He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."..............Paul allows us to be persuaded in our minds about what is not commanded

I follow what Jesus taught, so I cannot accept the idea that the Sabbath no longer matters just because Paul did not command it in his letters. Jesus never set the Sabbath aside. He said He is the Lord of the Sabbath in Matthew 12:8, and that shows it still belongs to Him. He also told His disciples in Matthew 24:20 to pray that their flight would not be on the Sabbath, and this was a warning for the future. If the Sabbath no longer mattered, Jesus would not have spoken this way.

The disciples who walked with Him kept the Sabbath even after the cross. In Luke 23:56 the women rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. In Acts 13, Acts 17 and Acts 18, the apostles kept meeting on the Sabbath as their regular way of worship. They followed their Master’s example.

Jesus also said in Matthew 5:17-19 that nothing from the Law will pass away until heaven and earth pass away. Heaven and earth are still here, so I hold to His words.

And the Sabbath and feast days Paul speaks about in his letters are not the same as the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments. Paul was talking about yearly and monthly sabbath and other observances that were part of Israel’s ceremonies, not the weekly Sabbath that God spoke with His own voice and wrote with His own finger. The weekly Sabbath was never called a “shadow”. It was part of God’s moral law, and Jesus treated it that way.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I follow what Jesus taught, so I cannot accept the idea that the Sabbath no longer matters just because Paul did not command it in his letters. Jesus never set the Sabbath aside. He said He is the Lord of the Sabbath in Matthew 12:8, and that shows it still belongs to Him. He also told His disciples in Matthew 24:20 to pray that their flight would not be on the Sabbath, and this was a warning for the future. If the Sabbath no longer mattered, Jesus would not have spoken this way.

The Sabbath was a sign of the Covenant God made with Israel and Himself. It was never designated for Gentile nations ever!

Ex. 31:
12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

If you are a Jewish believer, yes you must keep the Sabbath, but if a Gentile believer, there is no requirement.

 

[LoveYeshua]

The Sabbath was a sign of the Covenant God made with Israel and Himself. It was never designated for Gentile nations ever!

Ex. 31:
12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

If you are a Jewish believer, yes you must keep the Sabbath, but if a Gentile believer, there is no requirement.

How do you know you are but a child of Israel? Many peoples in Europe, North America and elsewhere are from the lost tribes, all records were lost, millions upon millions are from the lost tribes and do not know it.. But God promised he knows for each one of us and they shall return to the promised land when Jesus returns.

Do you remember Jesus sent his disciples to the four corners of the world to teach about all he did and say? Jesus did teach about the Sabbath and the other Commandments as well. Jesus the disciples and Paul followed the sabbath as it is written in Matt, Luke, Mark, John and Acts.

The ten Commandments were written by God and are a single unit, the Covenant, and are in the ark of the Covenant, they will never pass away.

God made the Sabbath a clear test of the heart. In the wilderness, before Israel even reached Mount Sinai, He said in Exodus 16:4 that He would give them manna to test them, to see if they would walk in His law. When some still went out on the Sabbath to gather, God said in Exodus 16:28, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?” This shows the Sabbath was already known, and breaking it revealed disobedience.

Later, God explained through Ezekiel that the Sabbath was a sign between Him and His people. In Ezekiel 20:12 He said He gave them His Sabbaths so they would know and REMEMBER He is the Lord who makes them holy and who PROVIDES. But they refused, for in Ezekiel 20:13 He said they greatly defiled His Sabbaths. Again in Ezekiel 20:19-20 He told them to keep His ways and honor His Sabbaths, for these were the sign that they belonged to Him.

God used the Sabbath to reveal what was inside the heart. It showed whether His people trusted His word and whether they truly walked with Him. It was not only a rule but a witness of loyalty. Those who kept it showed faith in God’s voice. Those who rejected it showed a stubborn spirit. For this reason the Sabbath stood as a sign between God and His people, marking who listened to Him and who walked in their own path.

Who are God's people? They are those who do His will.

Blessings

 

[Jesussaves150]

The ten commandments were broken down into 613 laws by the scribes which we don't follow only the basic commandments.

The 10 Commandments are a summary of the 613 laws in the Torah (also called the Mosaic Law). The Ten Commandments are the most well-known and foundational of these laws, which include both positive commandments

 

[Doug]

Wrong!

2 Cor. 3:
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The ten commandments are a ministry of death, not life!

1 Cor. 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Sin gets its strength through the law!

Gal. 3:
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The ten commandments were a temporary school master.

What I meant was he restated what the ten commandments conveyed. We thru the Spirit are able to reflect the intent of the commandments. Paul did not command the sabbath.

 

[Doug]

I follow what Jesus taught, so I cannot accept the idea that the Sabbath no longer matters just because Paul did not command it in his letters. Jesus never set the Sabbath aside. He said He is the Lord of the Sabbath in Matthew 12:8, and that shows it still belongs to Him. He also told His disciples in Matthew 24:20 to pray that their flight would not be on the Sabbath, and this was a warning for the future. If the Sabbath no longer mattered, Jesus would not have spoken this way.

The disciples who walked with Him kept the Sabbath even after the cross. In Luke 23:56 the women rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. In Acts 13, Acts 17 and Acts 18, the apostles kept meeting on the Sabbath as their regular way of worship. They followed their Master’s example.

Jesus also said in Matthew 5:17-19 that nothing from the Law will pass away until heaven and earth pass away. Heaven and earth are still here, so I hold to His words.

And the Sabbath and feast days Paul speaks about in his letters are not the same as the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments. Paul was talking about yearly and monthly sabbath and other observances that were part of Israel’s ceremonies, not the weekly Sabbath that God spoke with His own voice and wrote with His own finger. The weekly Sabbath was never called a “shadow”. It was part of God’s moral law, and Jesus treated it that way.

You are making yourself Israel. In this dispensation we are saved apart from Israel and arent under covenant and the law

 

[LoveYeshua]

You are making yourself Israel. In this dispensation we are saved apart from Israel and arent under covenant and the law

You are making yourself Israel. In this dispensation we are saved apart from Israel and arent under covenant and the law

if you reject the covenant that are the ten commandments you will not enter heaven I assure you and I am not kidding. here is why;

Jesus said entrance into the Kingdom is for those who do the will of His Father. God’s will is shown in His commandments.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.”

Deuteronomy 5:29
“Oh, that they had such a heart in them… that they would keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them.”

Jesus then said that the people who break the commandments and teach others to break them will be called least in the kingdom, while those who keep and teach them will be called great. He also said not one letter of the law will pass until heaven and earth pass away.
Matthew 5:17–19.

Jesus spoke to a man who asked how to receive life, and Jesus answered with the commandments.
Matthew 19:17
“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Jesus said people who break God’s law are practicing sin.
John 8:34
“Whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.”

He also said that only those who hear His words and keep them are His true family.
Luke 8:21
“My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”

John the apostle confirmed the same teaching.
1 John 2:3–4
“Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar.”

The Old Testament also says God judges people by whether they walk in His commandments.
Ecclesiastes 12:13–14
“Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all. For God will bring every work into judgment.”

Doug, the meaning is simple.
No one is saved by ignoring God’s commandments. Jesus teaches that obedience shows real love for Him, that obedience shows true faith, and that obedience is the path into life.

A person is saved by the mercy of God, but God’s mercy does not erase His commandments. Jesus saves us so that we can walk in obedience, not in rebellion.

So yes, If someone rejects God’s covenant commandments and refuses to obey, Jesus Himself says they cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[CTK]

The Sabbath was a sign of the Covenant God made with Israel and Himself. It was never designated for Gentile nations ever!

Ex. 31:
12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

If you are a Jewish believer, yes you must keep the Sabbath, but if a Gentile believer, there is no requirement.

I believe the Sabbath was made for man... not the Jews. It was incorporated in the 10 commandments and is the only one that starts with "remember." It is the ONLY day that God made holy....

 

[LoveYeshua]

If you are a Jewish believer, yes you must keep the Sabbath, but if a Gentile believer, there is no requirement.

prove it, show me the verses saying we dont have to keep the sabbath. there are none. however the believers of Christ do what he asks because we Love Him. and he did say clearly to keep his commandments.