Are there different levels (places / orders) of the Kingdom of Heaven?

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Reggie Belafonte

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The Kingdom of Heaven is the location from which it comes to earth! In reality its Christ who is bringing it with him!

Revelation 21:3 “Look! The residence of God is among human beings. He will live among them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them.
Kingdom of God is, As it is done in Heaven ?
One has to be truly born again of the Holy Spirit to enter into the Kingdom of God.
In the Bible there is a list of all who can not enter in fact.
Why one may ask is that the list ?
Well because such people listed are not worthy of the Kingdom of God.
They are of this world and under the deceptions and delusions of what Jesus said such sadly are.
They are under a Curse !
They are a blight, much likened to such as a Vampire, that drains the life blood out of all who indulge in the sewer of Carnal Sin.
The Carnal man hides from the Light ! for he loves the darkness, such can empower himself in the sewer to the top of the heap and this strokes his ego ! he thinks that he is better than others but he does not have a worthy Soul ? There Soul is not connected to Christ Jesus, for they are lost to this world.
Such a people do as they did do to Jesus, for they are of this world. They know not what they truly do ! this is why they are to be forgiven ? in this sense.

As to Post #8 Then as to the first and the last ? such is to be understood in the Spiritual concept and not the carnal. for it's relating to a gift.
 

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Or to relax as the Gk implies. For the time being his disciples were committed to every particle of the law – yet more so to it’s higher moral calling.

Matthew 11:11 “I tell you the truth, among those born of women, no one has arisen greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he is.

Matthew 18:4 Whoever then humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven

Matthew 5:20 for context!

”In no case enter” meaning, more or less care over the ‘least command’ made the difference of ‘least’ or ‘great’, but to annul the commandment will mean exclusion from the Kingdom of Heaven on earth Matthew 5:5 (not yet fulfilled).
Mat 11:11 Them born of a woman ?
But they who are born again ? ok ! see the difference ?
It is true that non of this world has risen than John the Baptist.
But when one receives the Holy Spirit and being born again, one is taken out of this world and into the Kingdom of God.
One of the Kingdom of God is Humble.

But who is the highest in the Kingdom of God ? Non ! such does not work the carnal way of the mind would see it. the Great are the ones coming and the least are not least as in the carnal concept. as to God ?
 

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Mat 11:11 Them born of a woman ?
But they who are born again ? ok ! see the difference ?
It is true that non of this world has risen than John the Baptist.
But when one receives the Holy Spirit and being born again, one is taken out of this world and into the Kingdom of God.
One of the Kingdom of God is Humble.

But who is the highest in the Kingdom of God ? Non ! such does not work the carnal way of the mind would see it. the Great are the ones coming and the least are not least as in the carnal concept. as to God ?

Greetings Reggie

I like that you use the phrase carnal mind as very few Christians show a Biblical understanding of the mind of the flesh.

John 3:3

Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Man must be mentally reborn to “see” the Kingdom... actively and morally reborn to “enter” it. John 3:5

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"Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
And no man hath ascended [1] up to heaven, but he that came [2] down from heaven, even the Son of man which is [3] in heaven." John 3:10-13

The only one we may always see in scripture as a partaker or a resident of not less than three heavens is the man Jesus. From heaven [where is that?] to hell [where is that?] came Jesus to suffer here as a man and to overcome as a man leading and opening the Way for us to follow. But many presume it
will be at some other time and some other place. [Who is in hell now but everyone who is dead? Who is not dead now? Only those who have received and are walking in and with Jesus. Is anyone moving back forth between heaven [1st or 2nd] and hell now?]


What do we have available to us now? What more will we have available to us once someone says those words over us "dust to dust" and throw the dirt over our faces?

Is not now the time? Is not here the place?

What time do we wait for?
"This is the day [Today!] which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it." Psalm 118:24

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." Matt 11:28-29

And just where is Jesus now? Is not Jesus the Word of God? If He is not in our hearts and growing there, why not?

Do we presume that when we eat His flesh and drink His blood it is all going to our stomach? If we are eating only bread made of grain and wine made from grapes then that is where they going. [Could that be continuing to eat of Nehushtan or...?]

When we really eat his flesh and it is really quickened by the Holy Spirit within us, then where would heaven be? Would we not be moving UP toward God?

We come to Him as a beast, an very unclean beast and we are seeing that first glimpse of Jesus [1st heaven].

But how much has our vision improved when the Holy Spirit in us is allowed to clean out the filth so that we might be clean beasts? [2nd heaven]
Ah but then what remains but the beastly nature which leads us to sin again? Those things within this world that we are that attract us to sin repeatedly?
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world" I John 2:16

When those also are gone, then it is 3rd heaven the place where no sin and no beastly natures can be at any time.[3rd heaven]

Everyone who has really repented even one time has moved from hell to 1st heaven although probably all like the ancients children of Israel have kept moving in and out.

Only by the power of the Holy Spirit in us may we enter 2nd heaven where things have been cleaned up. To enter 3rd heaven, [we see brief mentions of it in scripture if we can see them], even those things within us that are attracted toward sinful activities must be overcome.

All three heavens are here and now, but who aside from Jesus has already been a resident of all three?