Thank you dear Sister Rach!!!!
First, I want to give a big Praise God, that your still posting with me. I know I have made you extremely upset, I already admitted my OP was not very spirit filled. I also know that my believe system rubs people the Wrong way like my brother Jiggyfly. However, Jiggyfly and I have been going round and round on certain topics for a couple or more years. I still love him and he has written some awesome God inspired Post. He understand more where I am coming from with my Doctrine. Jiggyfly also believes in the gifts of the Spirit (tongues) as well as I do, and operate in.
My Doctrine it is a basic God is so Awesome and good Doctrine. He is the best dad anyone could want and he loves us.
Loves us so much that He sent Jesus to die, sent Jesus to hell. Our Lord Jesus never even did a thing wrong. Yet, that love made him go. As for other teachers, and guidance. I have that. I go to church and teach others myself. I don't take anyone's word for anything though. My wife tried to share with me a prophecy we heard from one of our people we listen to, I shut her down, and said, "That sounds nice, but I'll need some scripture." My wife asked "Don't you trust what they said." Well, trust has nothing to do with it, and I or not believe what they said, but without scriptures, I can't treat it as a absolute, I can't make a doctrine out of it. That is how I am,
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Now look at
Mat 7:11 What would you do for your own children if you could stop any hurting, any sickness, prevent upcoming disaster in their lives? That is how I see God, How much more Jesus said is God a better, loving father than us. Sickness is Evil Rach, it robs us. My own son suffered, though he was miraculously healed. Chemo, bone marrow, spinal taps.............That is not God, that is of the destroyer. The thief that comes to rob us of our energy, and quality of life. Jesus is the abundant life. (John 10:10) God is not some space alien, He is our father, and there is nothing good about being sick. I don't want my own children going though it, How much more Jesus said........How much more would God our father not want us to go though it.
My belief in God is about his character and Nature. What kind of God is he.
My circle does not use commentaries. We don't get sermon's out of books, mind you, I have lots of them, but I never look at them. (In my bible program) I could post things and writings from the books my circle have written, but their not going to say anything different than What I have been writing. Not only that, people here can not stand Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Keith Moore (My Pastor) and so on. They make fun of them. (I could not find a bad one of my Pastor.... here is a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRSUmrv7gc
I Put under my Hypocrite title "Take a stand and believe something." I respect both positions. God wants you healed or God does not what you healed. Your suppose to steal you neighbors Plasma TV or not Steal you neighbors TV.
I want believes to have firm scriptures for what they believe.
See here is where I think our thinking divides. I believe that by reading the word, praying about it and a greal deal of faith and trust, we can know God's will in our own lives. Perhaps we feel him calling us to be missonairies, or maybe a stay at home mum. We can know his will regarding our own Salvation, in that we can be very sure! We can know his will regarding our own choices...we choose to be married, he wills us to be faithful to our spouse. A million things, but only about OURSELVES. You cannot know his will for me, for any other, because you know nothing of others personal lives, their faith, their choices, their callings, their prayer lives.
No, I can't say what God has planed for you, but you use commentary to mention something called Hidden will, and where is that scripture? That is why I don't use commentary. Most of it is just made up stuff where people have fallen short and don't understand how to hear from God.
Isa 48:6 You have heard [these things foretold], now you see this fulfillment. And will you not bear witness to it? I show you specified new things from this time forth, even hidden things [kept in reserve] which you have not known.
Jer 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But
God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea,
the deep things of God.
So, it's fine to be persecuted, to suffer terrible woes for Jesus, but us ill people, even if we praise Jesus, we're still a dirty and faithless lot?
ummm. No Sister Rach................Nobody is faithless if they believe in Jesus. There is not one scripture that says sickness is part of any persecution. Not one scripture that says God uses sickness to teach us or build character. NOT ONE.
People add that. I am just saying that it's Not the will of God that your sick.
Rom 5:3 And not only so, but
we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Keep in mind, the Early Church was not concerned with sickness. The Tribulations were the extreme persecutions that the Church was experiencing. That is what tribulation means..... trouble, anguish, persecutions.
again, it seems you may only be listening to one mans interpretation of the scriptures....not wise. You have accused me before of having no knowledge...well perhaps it is you?
No, I listen to the Holy Spirit and compare scriptures. Once again though, I take scripture very literal. for example.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes
we are healed.
I am the healed. Good enough for me, I won't argue with God about it. (The best people can do in a attempt to wash away scriptures like this, so it fits their Doctrine (God uses sickness to teach us) is to say that this is just Spiritual.
The have no clue what it means it just being spiritual, they just say that to get it our of the realm of the physical, so they don't have to deal with that scripture and grow, and walk in it. They also change their consistency of interpretation to fit what they believe. We should stay consistent. (To long to explain this verse longer but here is a different translation of the whole thing. Look at it, and decide what you think.)
Isa 53:4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains--he hath carried them, And we--we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace is on him, And
by his bruise there is healing to us.
If it's his will to heal me, and I'm praying for his will to be done, I should be healed!
Why don't you just change that to Lord, thank you that I see in your word that I am the healed. We have to go back to what it means to believe something and the words you speak.
BTW Brother Mike, you really should try and back up your weird views on the scriptures in a better way. It's just too hard to take it seriously when I can sit here with my own bible and SEE that it means something else.
I'm quite enjoying pouring through Jesus' ministry and my bible, re learning it all, so ta!
Well, if anything, getting in these forums and going back and forth with someone on scriptures is a good way to spend time in your word, Look at scriptures, affirm what you believe and why. Otherwise, we might be doing something else besides spending the time in our word. Getting in that position of teaching what you believe is a lot different than just listening to someone else teach. It has to be good for us to go through these exercises.
God Bless you Sister.....
Jesus Is Lord
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Greeting to
Adstar and
Jiggfly!!!!!
Jesus Is Lord