Are you a Lot?

[Hiddenthings]

 

[Lambano]

Are you a Lot?​

I'm a lot of something, that's for sure.

 

[JohnDB]

Get a load of this....absolutely hilarious..

https://x.com/LloydLegalist/status/1927509678973427885

 

[MatthewG]

I am a handful lot of da time.

 

[Hiddenthings]

 

[Seeding Loving]

i believe there are a few specific details that indicate that there was a very aggressive romantic world in Sodom when the sun went down


Gen 19:1 ..... ...... two angels entered into Sodom just as the sunlight began to fade . .

the Angels had planned to spend the entire night in the streets of Sodom

:3 .......... Lot strongly pressed upon and forced the two Angels to come inside his house - - and not stay out after dark in the streets

:4 the men of Sodom surrounded the house

:5 ..... the men called unto Lot, and said ,,,,, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Lot here, was completely outnumbered, he had no chance of protecting anyone, Lot already was trying separate himself from his family and went outside as if offering himself as a rape victim, he quickly rushed out the door, quickly shutting the door behind him so that he would be the first man to be sexually abused right there on the front porch,

Lot was very brave, courageous and honorable. He stood bravely in front of the door protecting his family against a mob of men who were expecting a romantic rustle and tussle with new male strangers newly arrived into town,.

Lots only resort was to offer his two virgin female daughters to the men whom only and specifically were interested in a violent romantic night with other males. These men of Sodom were raging and writhing and burning with lust to get ahold of the new male strangers . -

Lot's offering of his daughters only enraged and aroused the burning lust and desire to abuse the male strangers -


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The Bible shows this type of situation had happened many years later in Jdg 20:

When the men of Gibeah were trying to sexually abuse a Levite Priest

Jdg 19:22 the men surrounded the house round about, and beat at the door, ........ saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.


They then turned on his wife and violently, madly sexually penetrated and raped and punished and abused her the entire night until they turned her into a bloody pulp of mangled meat. She was internally cut up, stretched open wide and her orifices and organs wallowed out and bruised and broken and bleeding.


So all of Israel, later, gathered together and went to the city and demanded that they turn over these rapists, murderers

The entire city of Gibeah refused to comply and proceeded to gather themselves together and then violently attack the rest of Israel who was there simply to find the men who had raped and killed the woman.

I believe Lot was a victim and this is why God saved him - -

when these male on male rape gangs strike upon a male, their intent is to brutalize and victimize a male and rape them violently.

I believe that the Israelites offering their daughters had expected these rapists to refuse their daughters because the rapists here are not really interested in raping a woman to death

and only were interested in raping religious, priestly, family men with multiple wives who were part of a religious system they detested, and that the men of Sodom more than likely believed or knew that the two angels visiting Lot were connected to Abraham also a polygamous religious individual


in both rape cases the original target and purpose of the attack is to punish and victimize and show a hatred for a targeted religious polygamous male... whom is a family man ...... I am honestly not attempting to promote or oppose polygamy and its not really my point, but just pointing out the similarity of the rape victims in both stories.,

 

[Fred J]

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These were time when the law was not given and sin was not yet recorded in Heaven.

But GOD dealt with unrighteousness swiftly, after a certain time of tolerance and warning most probably.

Lot happened to choose a land rich with milk and honey, while Abraham chose the plain and a nomadic lifestyle.

Now that doesn't mean that Abraham was an Arabian nor a muslim, which only came to existence way after Judaism and Christianity.

Arabian probably came way later from the clan of Egyptian Hagar and Ismael who dwelt in the desert, since an angel made the first well for them.

Even when the land Lot lived in were filled with adulteress and perverse generation, but he was found righteous.

Due to his uncle Abraham, Lot too probably took no part in their unrighteousness and ungodliness of pagan descend. (Probably like Noah and his family)

Somehow under control he got through with his family, and probably from time to time got bullied being a weirdo among them.

But a rioting stir got out of control because of the two stunning looking angels who visited Lot who aggravated the whole scenario.

Due to desperate measure and to cause a distraction, Lot offered his daughters in their place, even though they were not interested in women.

In the end Lot and his daughters got saved, and dwelt on a mountain cave fearing the city from then on.

Therefore the daughters decided to preserve the linage of their father, hence got him drunk, slept, and got children.

There's no mentioned of these all have happened and done based on unrighteousness and sexual pleasure. (Though it may seem on the surface to some unsaved critics).

For the record, Abraham even married his half sister, but according to the Law is a sin, and punishable being shun from the family and community. (Leviticus 20:17)

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Hiddenthings]

Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. Ezek 1649

End times?

 

[Seeding Loving]

does not the story of Lot also show how a nation can quickly and eventually descend into evil and become the enemies of God and even the enemies of Gods people and his servants,

Lot and his two daughters were righteous and holy people, a Father and his two Daughters who lived honorable lives in accordance with the laws and commandments of God but eventually they became a tribe, a race of people and a great nation who did not keep the ways of their Father Lot and their righteous mothers..

the Bible says that Lot and his two daughters were righteous, they did good and were good people. however, the Moabites, as a nation became the great enemy of God over time.

 

[Scott Downey]

Sodom abused strangers who visited the city, Lot would have known that.
Many must have cried out to the LORD about the place for Him to do this judgment.
Too bad Lot did not leave earlier. The angels had to force Lot to leave.

Genesis 18

16 Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. 17 And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” 20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

Genesis 19
15 When the morning dawned, the angels urged Lot to hurry, saying, “Arise, take your wife and your two daughters who are here, lest you be consumed in the punishment of the city.” 16 And while he lingered, the men took hold of his hand, his wife’s hand, and the hands of his two daughters, the Lord being merciful to him, and they brought him out and set him outside the city. 17 So it came to pass, when they had brought them outside, that [b]he said, “Escape for your life! Do not look behind you nor stay anywhere in the plain. Escape to the mountains, lest you be [c]destroyed.”

18 Then Lot said to them, “Please, no, my lords! 19 Indeed now, your servant has found favor in your sight, and you have increased your mercy which you have shown me by saving my life; but I cannot escape to the mountains, lest some evil overtake me and I die. 20 See now, this city is near enough to flee to, and it is a little one; please let me escape there (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.”

21 And he said to him, “See, I have favored you concerning this thing also, in that I will not overthrow this city for which you have spoken. 22 Hurry, escape there. For I cannot do anything until you arrive there.”

Therefore the name of the city was called [d]Zoar.

23 The sun had risen upon the earth when Lot entered Zoar. 24 Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 So He [e]overthrew those cities, all the plain, all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground.

26 But his wife looked back behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 Then he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain; and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land which went up like the smoke of a furnace. 29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot had dwelt.

 

[Seeding Loving]

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yes, this is such a very interesting historical story

Can we consider the possible explanation that is given in the Bible, that explains, saying -

Gen 13:5 Lot and Abram, had flocks, and herds, and tents.

AND WERE TRAVELING - MOVING - LOOKING FOR A LOCATION TO PROVIDE NOURISHMENT FOR THEM

:6 And the land was not able to bear them, that they might dwell together: for their substance was great, so that they could not dwell together. :7 And there was a strife between the herdmen of Abram's cattle and the herdmen of Lot's cattle: and the Canaanite and the Perizzite dwelled then in the land. :8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.

:9 Is not the whole land before thee? separate thyself, I pray thee, from me: if thou wilt take the left hand, then I will go to the right; or if thou depart to the right hand, then I will go to the left.

:10 And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar.

11 Then Lot chose him all the plain of Jordan; and Lot journeyed east: and they separated themselves

These passages show that both Abraham and Lot both were relocating near Sodom and Gomorrah. But soon after this - Abraham moves again farther to the west, - towards Egypt - leaving Lot remaining - near Sodom - to have the better area for grazing and water. But Abraham needed to move away again - because there were too many animals to feed between them.

Also, shortly after this, there was a great war between the Northern and the Southern Kingdoms of the Middle East and Sodom and Gomorrah was right in the middle of the waring Kingdoms.

The Northern Kingdom came down and attacked Sodom and Lot was attacked and kidnapped. THE NORTHERN KINGDOM ATTACKED SODOM AND GOMORRAH - TO TAKE THEIR WEALTH, GOODS AND PROPERTIES TO FUEL THEIR WAR EFFORTS.

Gen 14:10 And the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there; and they that remained fled to the mountain. :11 And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way.

:12 And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.

But, Abraham saves the day and fights against those who have taken all of the goods and property of Sodom and Gomorrah and saves Lot his cousin.

Do you think - that Lot was simply trying to survive and moved near Sodom and Gomorrah because he needed a place that was fertile to feed his family and livestock. ? And that Lot simply became trapped in a location that had plenty of water and grazing for his livestock and to move anywhere else seems such a hard impossible burden - CONSIDERING LOT DID NOT HAVE ANY SERVANTS NOR SONS TO HELP HIM

Abraham had many, many servants and workers and had the manpower to move his home but Lot only had daughters and probably no workers or servants.

We see that Lot eventually lost everything he had, I believe he was truly trapped in a location where he could not just pick up his home and move, water and grazing was scarce, there were wars and violent outbreaks and even thieves and murders all around him.

I believe it is very possible if he would have left Sodom without the Angels he would have been faced with horrible problems and loss of life and property for him and his family.

 

[Scott Downey]

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yes, this is such a very interesting historical story

Can we consider the possible explanation that is given in the Bible, that explains, saying -

Gen 13:5 Lot and Abram, had flocks, and herds, and tents.

AND WERE TRAVELING - MOVING - LOOKING FOR A LOCATION TO PROVIDE NOURISHMENT FOR THEM

:6 And the land was not able to bear them, that they might dwell together: for their substance was great, so that they could not dwell together. :7 And there was a strife between the herdmen of Abram's cattle and the herdmen of Lot's cattle: and the Canaanite and the Perizzite dwelled then in the land. :8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.

:9 Is not the whole land before thee? separate thyself, I pray thee, from me: if thou wilt take the left hand, then I will go to the right; or if thou depart to the right hand, then I will go to the left.

:10 And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar.

11 Then Lot chose him all the plain of Jordan; and Lot journeyed east: and they separated themselves

These passages show that both Abraham and Lot both were relocating near Sodom and Gomorrah. But soon after this - Abraham moves again farther to the west, - towards Egypt - leaving Lot remaining - near Sodom - to have the better area for grazing and water. But Abraham needed to move away again - because there were too many animals to feed between them.

Also, shortly after this, there was a great war between the Northern and the Southern Kingdoms of the Middle East and Sodom and Gomorrah was right in the middle of the waring Kingdoms.

The Northern Kingdom came down and attacked Sodom and Lot was attacked and kidnapped. THE NORTHERN KINGDOM ATTACKED SODOM AND GOMORRAH - TO TAKE THEIR WEALTH, GOODS AND PROPERTIES TO FUEL THEIR WAR EFFORTS.

Gen 14:10 And the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there; and they that remained fled to the mountain. :11 And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way.

:12 And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.

But, Abraham saves the day and fights against those who have taken all of the goods and property of Sodom and Gomorrah and saves Lot his cousin.

Do you think - that Lot was simply trying to survive and moved near Sodom and Gomorrah because he needed a place that was fertile to feed his family and livestock. ? And that Lot simply became trapped in a location that had plenty of water and grazing for his livestock and to move anywhere else seems such a hard impossible burden - CONSIDERING LOT DID NOT HAVE ANY SERVANTS NOR SONS TO HELP HIM

Abraham had many, many servants and workers and had the manpower to move his home but Lot only had daughters and probably no workers or servants.

We see that Lot eventually lost everything he had, I believe he was truly trapped in a location where he could not just pick up his home and move, water and grazing was scarce, there were wars and violent outbreaks and even thieves and murders all around him.

I believe it is very possible if he would have left Sodom without the Angels he would have been faced with horrible problems and loss of life and property for him and his family.

Abraham kept all his wealth, and God continued to bless Abraham to the point he was like a king and could raise armies.

Lot though lost everything he had is my impression.
Abraam was concerned for Lot, but we don't hear anything from Lot about going to Abraham for help. They were close enough that Abraham could see the land smoking like a furnace after God destroyed the place.
Genesis 19
27 And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 Then he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain; and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land which went up like the smoke of a furnace. 29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot had dwelt.

Lot's children then become fierce enemies of Israel. They were the Moabites, and Ammonites

The Descendants of Lot​

30 Then Lot went up out of Zoar and dwelt in the mountains, and his two daughters were with him; for he was afraid to dwell in Zoar. And he and his two daughters dwelt in a cave. 31 Now the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man on the earth to come in to us as is the custom of all the earth. 32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve the [f]lineage of our father.” 33 So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.

34 It happened on the next day that the firstborn said to the younger, “Indeed I lay with my father last night; let us make him drink wine tonight also, and you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve the [g]lineage of our father.” 35 Then they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.

36 Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father. 37 The firstborn bore a son and called his name Moab; he is the father of the Moabites to this day. 38 And the younger, she also bore a son and called his name Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the people of Ammon to this day.

 

[Seeding Loving]

yes, it seems Lot was content where he was.

do you think most likely that Sodom slowly began to change over time and just kept getting worse and worse,

perhaps the evil acts in Sodom were not even very noticeable when Lot had first moved there many years ago.

 

[Scott Downey]

yes, it seems Lot was content where he was.

do you think most likely that Sodom slowly began to change over time and just kept getting worse and worse,

perhaps the evil acts in Sodom were not even very noticeable when Lot had first moved there many years ago.

Yes, likely so.
You notice that God engineered the life circumstances that kept Abraham away from those cities.

 

[Behold]

For the record, Abraham even married his half sister, but according to the Law is a sin,

For the record, Abraham died about 430 yrs before Moses Law was given......so, Abraham was not under Moses Law.
Nor was Lot or Adam and Eve, and neither were the inhabitants of Sodom & Gomorrah.

Why did God "flood the world" when there was no LAW that defined all the people as SINNERS?
Its the same reason He burned Sodomites, in Sodom and Gomorrah.

In all cases, they had become beyond reach.......completely lust hardened, = totally "seared" regarding their conscience.

This type of person, believes that SIN is Good, and Evil is right and Truth is "just opinion".

Or as the Satanic Bible teaches.....>>"do as tho wilt.. shall be the whole of the Law"..

And one more..

Homosexuality, is "catching"..... its a spiritual infection, that is a like a LUST VIRUS, and it can get into the mind of someone, and drive them to "try it", and then.......try it again, and again, until they are on a TV show saying..>"oh i was Gay when i was in the cradle".
"I was alway gay....."im born this way, you know"... (Just ask Lady GaGa).
So, when God burned those Sodomites.....>He was "containing" it, so that it didn't spread.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

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I saw the OP question and answered immediately,NO!

I would never offer my virgin daughters to be gang raped by a city full of homosexual men.
Nor,were I the father of those daughter,have intercourse with them.

 

[Fred J]

. :7 And there was a strife between the herdmen of Abram's cattle and the herdmen of Lot's cattle: and the Canaanite and the Perizzite dwelled then in the land. :8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.


CONSIDERING LOT DID NOT HAVE ANY SERVANTS NOR SONS TO HELP HIM

We see that Lot eventually lost everything he had, I believe he was truly trapped in a location where he could not just pick up his home and move, water and grazing was scarce, there were wars and violent outbreaks and even thieves and murders all around him.

Genesis 14:
16. And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.

This verse says, Abraham brought back all the goods, and Lot got back his goods, his women (from the women) and his slaves (from the people).

Whom were taken together with others in Sodom and Gomorrah during the plunder.

So how can one speculate Lot lost these without scripture reference to justify?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

For the record, Abraham died about 430 yrs before Moses Law was given......so, Abraham was not under Moses Law.
Nor was Lot or Adam and Eve, and neither were the inhabitants of Sodom & Gomorrah.

It's wise to read one's reply in context before you counter reply, thanks.

i did mentioned these were time when the Law was not given and sin was not recorded.

But based on the thread sought of say, Lot was unrighteous getting drunk and slept with his daughters, for one.

On the other hand, i could add Abraham was unrighteous to marry his half-sister, and more.

By definition both or other conducts too violate the moral law of GOD, besides at that time scripture does not depict them as unrighteous.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Hiddenthings]

I saw the OP question and answered immediately,NO!

I would never offer my virgin daughters to be gang raped by a city full of homosexual men.
Nor,were I the father of those daughter,have intercourse with them.

You might think its as easy as this to answer but it is not and its far more nuanced than you may like to admit.

2 Peter 2:6–8 “If he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)​

By saying no what are you actually saying?