To whom much is given more is required. If we have been regenerated by the Spirit, how does that inform our obedience to the commands of Christ?
Are you ready for Judgment Day?
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Rella ~ I am a woman
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Eternally Grateful
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if you have become as the tax collector and given it all to Christ and been justified. You are
If your still trying to be good enough, or earn your way in, Your not.. Because your sins still condemn you where you stand
If your still trying to be good enough, or earn your way in, Your not.. Because your sins still condemn you where you stand
...and you think you won't be judged by what you did...but by what you believed about God and yourself?
Eternally Grateful
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If I am judged by what I do I will be guilty and suffer eternal death.
You think you will NOT be judged by what you did and God will just let you get away with it without any form of payment or redemption?
Do you realize that all of us will be judged by our works...and not what we think about the bible and its teachings?
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat (Bema) of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Cor. 5:10
God decides on whom He will have mercy. He gives grace to the humble. (Think poor people in poor countries)
Obviously you still maintain an unbalanced and skewed view in much scripture. And this is but one more inferred example of it.
Your persistent, ungrounded view of the West, and your degradation of it, in particular the US, and maybe to a lesser extend your own country, Canada, is very telling.
Concerning humility in God' view. God's grace for the humble is not based on a socioeconomic scale as you believe it is, it is a matter and quality within the heart. All peoples, of all walks of life can be humble and pleasing to God. It covers all types on the socioeconomic scale: the affluent and the wealthy to those living very modestly and barely surviving.
All have the same opportunity to become humble or proud.
In Proverbs 3:34, it is written, “Surely he scorns the scornful, but gives grace to the humble.” This verse highlights the contrast between those who are proud and those who are humble. The proud are scorned by God, while the humble are shown grace.
This verse applies to all mankind of every lifestyle and socioeconomic position.
In practical terms, God’s grace to the humble can manifest in many ways. For example, God may provide guidance and wisdom to those who are humble, helping them to make decisions that align with His will. He may also provide strength and courage to those who are humble, enabling them to face challenges and overcome obstacles. Additionally, God’s grace can bring healing and restoration to those who are humble, helping them to overcome the consequences of their past mistakes and failures.
I'm truly glad God decides who is humble, and not you.
The tax collector seeks justice, or would never be justified.
What is not good enough is to think wickedness can be in the Holy place, which is cant, and then will be cast out.
If people do not repent of wickedness, that is what will be found to not be acceptable by God.
Malachi 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?
7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the Lord is contemptible.
8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the Lord of hosts.
9 And now, I pray you, beseech God that he will be gracious unto us: this hath been by your means: will he regard your persons? saith the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 1:13 Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the Lord of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the Lord.
14 But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the Lord of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
Eternally Grateful
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the wage of sin is death,
If you have not been justified. Your trial will end in a guilty verdict. and you will be cast to hell.
If you have been justified, you will receive reward for your work.. as it will be tried by fire. but you yourself will be saved even as through fire.
I agree. it is not what you think about the bible..
If your not justified by the cross in faith. You will not be at this judgment, You will be at the great white throne judgment,, And you will not be resurrected by Christ, you will be delivered to him.
He who has ears let him hear
Eternally Grateful
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Do you realize what Gods view of holiness is?
Do you realize most who teach this holiness view actually water down the requirements of the law like the Jews did? and lie to themselves that they are ok. because they are "good enough"
if you study the OT you get a glimpse. If you keep the who9le law yet stumble in even one point you are guilty of all. That's why the law could not save anyone. Because NO ONE could keep it. Everyone is found guilty by it.
Throw away your law book and become like the tax collector. stop trying to be good enough, because you will never achieve that status.
Gods children have repented. like the tax collector. and they went home justified like the tax collector. and now spend a lifetime becoming more like Christ as he who began a good work in them continue it until the day of Christ.
Good enough is the law ended, I guess you dont know the difference between the law of failure and the law of faith( success)
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Now the antichrist message can only be no love, yet we are to believe in love that Christ did, to die and rise again..
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
Eternally Grateful
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No, the law is still in effect. It will never fade. It continues to condemn everyone who does not keep it
Gal 3: 5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
The Law Brings a Curse
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Eternally Grateful
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we love because he first loved us
If your not saved, you have no capacity to love.. Your still in your sins.
Revelation 20:11-15
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11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire
interesting commentary, for those who are interested.
This article is part of the Tough Passages series.
1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” 5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
—Revelation 20:12–21:8
None of the powers of the world, those that terrify human beings, can withstand the voice of God or his power. The sea, Death, and Hades yield their dead (cf. 1 En. 51:1). The sea here is not a neutral entity but represents chaos and destruction, which explains its absence in the new creation (Rev. 21:1). John reiterates that the dead are judged according to their works (cf. Ps. 28:4; John 5:28–29; cf. also Sir. 16:12). God’s judgment is impartial and fair, not arbitrary or spiteful. It accords with what is right and true; no one will question its veracity.
If one’s name is not inscribed in the book of life, he is cast into the lake of fire. Matthew describes the place of punishment as a “fiery furnace,” a place of “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt. 13:42, 50). Matthew also tells us the “eternal fire” is “prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41). The punishment here is not temporary; John has made it very clear that the wicked suffer torment forever; they will never enjoy rest (Rev. 14:9–11). Again, Matthew confirms this reading, for the righteous will enjoy “eternal life” while the wicked will suffer “eternal punishment” (Matt. 25:46). The parallel in Matthew shows that the punishment is permanent, just as the life enjoyed by the righteous lasts forever: those whose works testify that they truly belong to God will be vindicated at the great white throne; their names will be in the book of life.
What Does It Mean to Be Judged according to Your Works? (Revelation 20 and 21)
October 25, 2019by: Thomas R. Schreiner
This article is part of the Tough Passages series.
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12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” 5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
—Revelation 20:12–21:8
Necessary Evidence
All the dead, whether powerful or poor, stand before God’s throne to be assessed by him. Books are opened, including the book of life (cf. comment on Rev. 3:5; cf. also Isa. 4:3), meaning that the time of judgment is at hand (Dan. 7:10; cf. Rev. 11:18). The dead are judged by what is written in the book, i.e., according to their works. Scripture repeatedly says that judgment will be according to works (Ps. 62:12; Prov. 24:12; Jer. 17:10; 32:19; Matt. 16:27; Rom. 2:6; 14:12; Rev. 2:23; 22:12). Judgment according to works is not merely an OT theme but is also prominent in the NT. Those who are in the book of life have performed works warranting inclusion, while those who are punished are those who have pursued and practiced evil. Such works are not the basis for being found in the book of life but constitute the necessary evidence of belonging to God. As Daniel teaches, those written in the book will be delivered on the last day, raised to everlasting life, but those who have done evil will know “shame and everlasting contempt” (Dan. 12:1–2).None of the powers of the world, those that terrify human beings, can withstand the voice of God or his power. The sea, Death, and Hades yield their dead (cf. 1 En. 51:1). The sea here is not a neutral entity but represents chaos and destruction, which explains its absence in the new creation (Rev. 21:1). John reiterates that the dead are judged according to their works (cf. Ps. 28:4; John 5:28–29; cf. also Sir. 16:12). God’s judgment is impartial and fair, not arbitrary or spiteful. It accords with what is right and true; no one will question its veracity.
Two Deaths
There is no doubt that the end of history has arrived as Death and Hades are cast into the lake of fire. Death is the last enemy (1 Cor. 15:26), and Hades represents the realm of death and final punishment. Everything opposing God is confined to the lake of fire (cf. Rev. 19:20; 20:10, 14), defined as the second death. Death is absent from the new creation, along with the pain and sorrow it brings (cf. 21:4). The promise of Isaiah 25:8 has now become a reality: “He will swallow up death forever.” The first death is separation from God, sealed by physical death (cf. Rom. 5:12; 6:23). But the second death is eternal separation from God, as his enemies are cast into a place of torment forever and ever (Rev. 14:9–11).If one’s name is not inscribed in the book of life, he is cast into the lake of fire. Matthew describes the place of punishment as a “fiery furnace,” a place of “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt. 13:42, 50). Matthew also tells us the “eternal fire” is “prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41). The punishment here is not temporary; John has made it very clear that the wicked suffer torment forever; they will never enjoy rest (Rev. 14:9–11). Again, Matthew confirms this reading, for the righteous will enjoy “eternal life” while the wicked will suffer “eternal punishment” (Matt. 25:46). The parallel in Matthew shows that the punishment is permanent, just as the life enjoyed by the righteous lasts forever: those whose works testify that they truly belong to God will be vindicated at the great white throne; their names will be in the book of life.
Ronald David Bruno
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Being born again means you have passed from death to life, we have been regenerated. Christ paid the penalty - so we don't have to.
Now the works AFTER your regeneration are tested with fire whether they are eternal or temporal (and we have both). All temporal things will burn up. So the judgment Christians face is to see what rewards we get NOT PENALTIES. WE ARE SAVED!
So one's works that are fleshly, temporal, material, our conquests, awards, achievements, wealth (ex: Besos Amazon, Musk's Tesla company or Gates Microsoft company, Grammy, Oscars, inventions that changed the world, etc., do not count for God's spiritual work that goes onto eternity - they will burn. What does count in heaven is God's work: whatever ministries, witnessing, loving and caring for people that contributed to their spiritual growth and journey is considered valuable and we will receive rewards for that.
We all have things that we can't take with us, but the things we can are tested and and approved, leading to a well done good and faithful servant and rewards. What are these rewards? IMHO, I think love is the biggest reward. As many whom you loved, each individual relationship is a reward. Some have few, some many.
One is given one talent and has a return of ten - he gets more than I. I may have only earn 2 or 3 from what was given - I really don't know.
And the judgment is based on how much you were given too. More is expected from preachers/ teachers. They are given more gifts.
I feel like I have failed in many instances to serve, but have cooperated with the Holy Spirit many times. Who really knows the impact we have had in others lives, how we have influenced others to change for the better? George Bailey found out ... but he got to see what life would be like in his town without him. His brother got it right about him- George was the richest man in Bedford falls. He likely got more rewards than any, always unselfish, like his Dad before him.
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It appears to me that one scripture is being used to form a doctrine on judgment, while others are being ignored. Such as being justified by faith, being justified by the blood of the Lamb, and the Lamb's book of life. Basically it appears to me that it's the gospel that is being ignored. @Episkopos, don't we need the whole counsel of God on this matter of judgment?
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