As it was in the Days of Noah? Matthew and Luke Scriptures Coming to Pass!

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Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus said so....God performs the ceremony of marriage from the get go.

For me, a Pastor performed the WEDDING "CEREMONY."

The Ceremony was Conducted BEFORE GOD and Human Witnesses.

Gods JOINING, was His Blessing, MAKING US ONE IN HIS EYES, according to Him, His Way.

According to MANS WAY, The marriage APPLICATION, fees, Signatures of the two persons, the two witnesses, the Pastor, and Filing, MADE us joined in the eyes of mans Law, according to man, his way, which in ALL but a few Sates ANY other man can put asunder, Without penalty.

Any two people of the same Sex can stand in a Church, have a Pastor, two witnesses and the Pastor PERFORM THE WEDDING CEREMONY...Mention God....and According TO Gods Way, Gods EYES, Gods Blessing, They are NOT JOINED, according TO HIM...

Yet they WILL BE JOINED, according TO mans WAY.

In either case, MEN perform the Ceremony...
And God and Man, or only Man does the JOINING.

Semantics

God Bless,
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For me, a Pastor performed the WEDDING "CEREMONY."

The Ceremony was Conducted BEFORE GOD and Human Witnesses.

Gods JOINING, was His Blessing, MAKING US ONE IN HIS EYES, according to Him, His Way.

According to MANS WAY, The marriage APPLICATION, fees, Signatures of the two persons, the two witnesses, the Pastor, and Filing, MADE us joined in the eyes of mans Law, according to man, his way, which in ALL but a few Sates ANY other man can put asunder, Without penalty.

Any two people of the same Sex can stand in a Church, have a Pastor, two witnesses and the Pastor PERFORM THE WEDDING CEREMONY...Mention God....and According TO Gods Way, Gods EYES, Gods Blessing, They are NOT JOINED, according TO HIM...

Yet they WILL BE JOINED, according TO mans WAY.

In either case, MEN perform the Ceremony...
And God and Man, or only Man does the JOINING.

Semantics

God Bless,
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Well between God's way and man's way, the only thing that counts as a marriage in God's eyes is His way.

Since the whole point is what constitute marriage in His words for how the sons of God took wives unto themselves from among the daughters of men, then for teh women to be called wives in His words, they have to be done in a marriage His way.

 

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Well between God's way and man's way, the only thing that counts as a marriage in God's eyes is His way.

Since the whole point is what constitute marriage in His words for how the sons of God took wives unto themselves from among the daughters of men, then for teh women to be called wives in His words, they have to be done in a marriage His way.

The Husbands were angels; <-- celestials
The Brides were humans; <---terrestrials

Where in Scripture did God sanction or Sanctify or Bless or accept such a marriage?

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The Husbands were angels; <-- celestials
The Brides were humans; <---terrestrials

Where in Scripture did God sanction or Sanctify or Bless or accept such a marriage?

God Bless,
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It never happened in the accepted scripture.

They can only say that "God" did that by applying that fraudulent book of Enoch and reading it into the accepted scripture while ignoring the accepted scripture as reproving that false notion.

 

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The angels left the High, Holy and Eternal Heaven, laid with women, became unclean and had giant sons.

That particular teaching comes not from the Bible but from the apocryphal and pseudopigraphical Enoch*. There are serious problems with Enoch*, not the least of which, being in contradiction to the Bible. Some of these we can look at if you would like.

I think we just have to wait for more evidence to understand who the "sons of God" were.

Would you like to know from the Bible? We can take a look if you would like.

 

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That particular teaching comes not from the Bible but from the apocryphal and pseudopigraphical Enoch*. There are serious problems with Enoch*, not the least of which, being in contradiction to the Bible. Some of these we can look at if you would like.

A lot of modern scholars stay away from using Enoch, because interpretations are to "far out". In in all four Gospels the statement "angels do not marry" meaning they don't have sex. They do not need to procreate. "The fallen angels" in Enoch therefore are not spiritual beings or aliens, but human. Angels in the bible can mean prophet, teacher or priest and not necessarily a spiritual being.
The Nephilim or giants in Genesis are interpreted as "Mighty Men of Old" and here is where Enoch is misused much. The Philistines like Goliath and his brother were very large. We know in Enoch the "Fallen Angels" from Mount Hermon which is where the Philistines lived. Therefore this might be part of the understanding.
The "serious problem" and "contradictions with the Bible" with Enoch are the modern misinterpretations. There are 10 quotes from Jesus in the Gospels that refer to Book of Enoch. His brother Jude specifically said Enoch was a prophet and quoted him. The Ancient Jewish Scholars also read The Book of Enoch and it was in the Septuagint.
Studying the Ancient scholars of the scripture is more truth than studying modern scholars interpretations of the Ancient writings. The "KJV Bible" has only been around for 500 years and as you read it and compare the original texts there are many mistakes. And out of the "KJV Bible" are many more interpretations. The Book of Enoch is used in many churches today although Western Christianity it is rarely used. To say "problems with Enoch" and " contradiction to the bible" is saying these churches do not know scripture when they know it more than the western Christianity, because they study Ancient Scripture. And if mentioned "bible" they understand it is a book written for the "Church of England" and not for Christianity.
It is best to learn directly from the source and that is Ancient Scripture. One can read the KJV Bible, but use a Strong's Concordance and diligently analysis each word. Today The Book of Enoch is used as scripture in Christianity and if it does contradict the "KJV Bible" than maybe it is the "KJV Bible" that is wrong.

 

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A lot of modern scholars stay away from using Enoch, because interpretations are to "far out".

It is not that the teachings are 'far out' (though they are), but that they are in error, and in contradiction to the Bible. I had asked if you desired to see this. The offer is still open.

 

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We know in Enoch the "Fallen Angels" from Mount Hermon which is where the Philistines lived. Therefore this might be part of the understanding.

You do realize that the events in Gen. 6, are before the flood? before the existance of Mt. Hermon as known after the flood, before there existed any people group called Philistines, Gen. 10:14; 1 Chron. 1:12?

 

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In in all four Gospels the statement "angels do not marry" meaning they don't have sex.

Correct.

They (angels) do not need to procreate.

This needs correction. Angels cannot procreate, not that they "do not need to". 'Procreation' was given to mankind, and animals, on this present world, hence, 'multiply', 'be fruitful', 'replenish (fill) the earth', 'seed', 'bring forth after' and all else.

 

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"The fallen angels" in Enoch therefore are not spiritual beings or aliens, but human.

It sounded nice to begin with, but it doesn't hold up to what the text actually says in Enoch XII:4, "4. 'Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, †declare† to the Watchers of the heaven who have left the high heaven, the holy eternal place, and have defiled themselves with women, and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: "Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth:" [1]

Also, what are "three thousand ells", in Enoch VII:2? To get any kind of valid equivalent out of it, I would have to assume they were 3000 millimeters.

 

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That particular teaching comes not from the Bible but from the apocryphal and pseudopigraphical Enoch*.

Actually that particular teaching is within the Bible. The book of Enoch simply elaborates on it.

Who are "the angels which kept not their first estate" (Jude 1:6) and "the angels that sinned" (2 Per 2:4) and are now chained in Tartarus and awaiting their final judgment?

There can be only one answer, which is found in Genesis 6, and where they are called "the sons of God" and contrasted with "the daughters of men". These angels took human form (which is -- for angels -- quite common in Scripture) and had sexual union with human women, thereby producing giants and men of renown. The sin of these angels who left Heaven was that they corrupted the human race. This contributed to the total corruption of mankind before Noah's Flood. And that is why they are confined to Tartarus. At the same time, the "gods" and heroes of pagan mythologies worldwide have their origin in these angels and their offspring.

GENESIS 6
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

NOTE: The holy angels in Heaven -- which do not marry -- do not do so because (1) it would be a sin and (2) they maintain their angelic nature unless commissioned by God to communicate with human beings, at which point they take human form and speak human languages. They were created to be "ministering spirits".

 

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Actually that particular teaching is within the Bible. The book of Enoch simply elaborates on it.

Who are "the angels which kept not their first estate" (Jude 1:6) and "the angels that sinned" (2 Per 2:4)

Not so, and we can look if you would like.

Can you show me a single verse in Jude or Epistles of Peter, which are parallel, that say that angels copulated with humanity, in any given words?

You assume what is not present, and then extrapolate that into Gen. 6.

Angels that sinned refers to Revelation 12.

 

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Can you show me a single verse in Jude or Epistles of Peter, which are parallel, that say that angels copulated with humanity, in any given words?

The contexts in both 2 Peter and Jude make it crystal clear that SEXUAL SINS AND SEXUAL DEVIATIONS are being presented, along with their judgments. You can check Jude for the same pattern.

2 PETER 2

THE SEXUAL SINS OF ANGELS BEFORE THE FLOOD
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

THE SEXUAL SINS OF HUMANS BEFORE THE FLOOD
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

THE SEXUAL SINS OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly...

THE SEXUAL SINS OF FALSE TEACHERS IN APOSTOLIC CHURCHES
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

 

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The contexts in both 2 Peter and Jude make it crystal clear that SEXUAL SINS AND SEXUAL DEVIATIONS are being presented, along with their judgments. You can check Jude for the same pattern.

I agree sexual sins are included in Jude and Epistles of Peter, but not the only sins listed. I also asked, "Can you show me a single verse in Jude or Epistles of Peter, which are parallel, that say that angels copulated with humanity, in any given words?

You are still assuming.

Read Jude and Epistles of Peter carefully. They speak of things in a specific order, and do not include angels and humanity copulating (an impossibility).

Jud. 1:5 is about Moses and rebellious Israel, such as Dathan, Abiram and Korah on earth
Jud. 1:6 is about rebellious angels in Heaven, as per Rev. 12.
Jud. 1:7 is about Sodom and Gomorrah, on earth again.
Jud. 1:8 then reverses the parallel, speaking of mankind in Sodom defiling the flesh of men (vs 7), angels in Heaven despising Jesus' Dominion over them (vs 6), and back to Moses and rebellious Israel with Dathan, Abiram and Korah in the desert on earth in the Exodus (vs 5).

The only thing linking them all is rebellion against God, not sex.

Peter's epistles are in the same.

2 Pet. 2:4 is about the angels in heaven, as per Rev. 12.
2 Pet. 2:5 is about the flood in Noah's day on earth, as per Gen. 3-6.
2 Pet. 2:6-8 is about Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah, as per Gen. 17-19.

It is simply a rehash of the events from the original rebellion in Heaven to the continued rebellion on earth.

Where is a single verse in Jude or Epistles of Peter, which are parallel, that say that angels copulated with humanity, in any given words? It is not present.

Even when looking at Jud. 1:7 in connection with Sodom and Gomorrah, it said that the inhabitants "went after" "strange (or differing) flesh" (hetero sarx), because those men did not originally understand that they were not humans, but angels who are differing in flesh than mankind. The text of Jud. 1:7 never says that those men even accomplished their task, but were instead destroyed.

 

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It never happened in the accepted scripture.

They can only say that "God" did that by applying that fraudulent book of Enoch and reading it into the accepted scripture while ignoring the accepted scripture as reproving that false notion.

Ok, thanks for your response.

God Bless,
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