As it was in the Days of Noah? Matthew and Luke Scriptures Coming to Pass!

[JesusIsFaithful]

Not ALL marriages are "arranged" by God or "holy".

Disagree.

God Bless,
Taken

Marriage is God's idea at the onset of creating Eve for Adam.

Therefore no body else can say that for a woman to be called a wife in His words as the sons of God did take wives for themselves, that they were a angels or fallen angels because God would not join them together to be called wives in His words. If God did not join them together, then they would not be called "wives" in His words, but harlots or concubines or whatever. but hardly wives.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Yes probably not angels as in Cherubim or Seraphim, but Jesus's ancestry was untainted with with the "other" kind. What "other" kind I don't know. Ancient Israel kept the bloodline pure for Jesus. Important part of O.T. Israel.

I suspect we will know in the future. DNA analysis is changing the way we thought about human. Neanderthal and Cro Magnon are now known to have been around when the homo-sapiens were. Human DNA studies in Middle East showed a decline in Neanderthal by interbreeding with homo-sapiens. Gradually over a few thousand years Neanderthal DNA declined. This was about 7000 years ago. They also know Cro-Magnon lived in Europe 30000 years ago. Cro Magnon were very large humans. Many people in this field of study agree both Cro Magnon and Neanderthal should be considered sapiens [wise]. Some even argue Cro Magnon were more intelligent than homo-sapiens.

The bible says multiple and fill the earth. There were several humans in different areas of the world. As time progressed their population grew and overlapped other human types. DNA testing of a modern human will show over 100 diversities from different areas of the world and a smal percentage of Neanderthal.

I think we just have to wait for more evidence to understand who the "sons of God" were.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Luke 3:38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So the sons of God was a former reference to Israel bloodline by Seth per their family tree and to whomsoever joined Judaism by, but now there is only one way to become the sons of God and that is by the only way of believing in Jesus Christ.

 

[zipzaddle]

So the sons of God was a former reference to Israel bloodline by Seth per their family tree and to whomsoever joined Judaism by, but now there is only one way to become the sons of God and that is by the only way of believing in Jesus Christ.

Blood / Flesh / Son of God

Luke 3:38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Cain was a son of God in this context.
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
... which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Spirit / Soul / Children of God

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This should read children of God. ... gave he power to become the children of God
Spiritually Born is the context of this verse. John1:13 Which were born not of blood ... but of God.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Blood / Flesh / Son of God

Cain was a son of God in this context.
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
... which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Spirit / Soul / Children of God

This should read children of God. ... gave he power to become the children of God
Spiritually Born is the context of this verse. John1:13 Which were born not of blood ... but of God.

Cain was left out of the bloodline of the sons of God which is Israel's family tree. There would be no point referencing Cain at all when obviously, by his murder of Abel, he could not very well represent the godly line that was Israel's family tree for Israel to be godly like Seth.

This is where daughters of men can be referenced from, but not just from Cain since there were other offsprings of Adam and Eve and their grandchildren and even great grandchildren from which Cain got his wife from.

 

[Taken]

Marriage is God's idea at the onset of creating Eve for Adam.

Marriage is the prelude / foreshadowing of two that are not the same things Vowing by Agreement of both TO become forever JOINED together, while neither BECOMES the other.....

As God offers men and men can Agree or not to vow to become FOREVER Joined With God, through Christ Our Lord God.

Therefore no body else can say that for a woman to be called a wife in His words as the sons of God did take wives for themselves, that they were a angels or fallen angels because God would not join them together to be called wives in His words. If God did not join them together, then they would not be called "wives" in His words, but harlots or concubines or whatever. but hardly wives.

"sons of God" ARE "Holy" created beings, by definition.

All angels were created Holy.
They have "Like" human-KIND"...FREEWILL.
They have greater Abilities and Power than manKind.

A great ability of angels, is they can appear as ManKind.

Nothing says they were Prevented from reproducing....

It is my understanding that all created angels were MALE, void of a FEMALE required TO Reproduce.

sons of God "Holy angels" were intended to Be messengers of God To ManKind, a go-between of sorts between Holy angels that could hear directly from God AND communicate with UN-holy men, Gods desires.

..sons of God...ie Holy angels, came to earth, (their mission? It doesn't say)....

What it does say is...."THEY" saw the beauty of human women, daughters of human men, and obviously appeared "as men, and were seen by humans "as men". And took unto themselves, human woman AS their Wife.

Not only Could they reproduce with a human female, THEY DID!

It also caused them to LOSE, their "holy" status AND their "estate" IN Heaven.

They did not become Earthy Humans, however, EARTH IS the First place, an angel who becomes Unholy, is Cast out of his estate, and Down To....ie Earth.

Their Unholy act of "mating" with Human females was SO grievous to God they were further Cast Down To Hell.

Point is ...THEY Were sons of God WHeN they Arrived on Earth and LOST their Holy statues WHILE ON earth.

And they being CAST into Hell, IS our notice that that which is NOT Holy shall be ALSO Cast INTO Hell.

Mankind was NOT created holy, but rather has a WAY to BECOME holy, IF they so electe to DO SO, ACCORDING TO Gods WAY.

Same for "unholy" men, as for "unholy" angels; a place has been prepared for each IN Hell and separated from Thee HOLY Lord God Almighty.

Angels, Men calling things names does not CHANGE their ACTIONS of what IS or IS NOT acceptable TO God.

Men today called themselves "wives" and some women today call themselves "husbands". That is certainly USING Gods Scriptural 'words' that define relationships...but they are NOT relationships ACCORDING to Gods WAY....which ALWASYS TRUMPS and supersedes mans Way.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Marriage is the prelude / foreshadowing of two that are not the same things Vowing by Agreement of both TO become forever JOINED together, while neither BECOMES the other.....

Marriage is a covenant that God performs. The extra vows of love from couples that people add today is not Biblical and rather boastful which is what love is not.

Anyone that makes vows like in those same sex marriages or those who marry animals, are not married in God's eyes. No way.

So for sons of God to be taking wives for themselves in His words in order for them to be called "wives" in His words, those are marriages that God has performed.

 

[zipzaddle]

Cain was left out of the bloodline of the sons of God which is Israel's family tree. There would be no point referencing Cain at all when obviously, by his murder of Abel, he could not very well represent the godly line that was Israel's family tree for Israel to be godly like Seth.

This is where daughters of men can be referenced from, but not just from Cain since there were other offsprings of Adam and Eve and their grandchildren and even great grandchildren from which Cain got his wife from.

Cain was left out of the family tree of Adam? Impossible to do. They all came from Adam. Israel was a branch of Adam and there are plenty of scripture to prove this right. Israel was related to Cain as is every human. Adam is the second subject, because we are discussing "Sons of God" which the verse reads "Gen 4:1 I have gotten a man [Cain] from the LORD." His dad said in such a way as to allow easy and accurate interpretation Cain was a "son of God".

Israel as a branch and if a branch does not produce fruit it is cut off and thrown into the fire. This happened to Ancient Israel in 70 AD. Therefore could the ashes reform to a branch or is the branch now ashes? One would think a branch burned and turns to ash is no more a branch and never will be. And if Israel is still a branch then what is the purpose of Jesus being the branch? Do we have two branches? It would be not so for a Christian to say we have two branches for they know there is only one branch and that is Jesus.

TSK (Treasury of Scripture Knowledge)
"The vine is only noble and useful while producing fruit. When cut down it's wood is fit only for fuel. So Israel, having ceased to be fruitful, they were no longer useful and like a withered branch of a vine were burned."
Verses:
Deu_32:32-33; Psa_80:8-16; Son_2:13, Son_2:15, Son_6:11, Son_7:12, Son_8:11-12; Isa_5:1-7; Jer_2:21; Hos_10:1; Mat_21:33-41; Mar_12:1-9; Luk_20:9-16; Joh_15:1-6

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Cain was left out of the family tree of Adam? Impossible to do.

Cain was left out of the family tree of Israel for why the sons of God were being referenced in His words in the O.T. as they do stem from Seth and then to Adam.

You will not find Cain listed in any of the direct line of the Genealogy of Isreal's roots. FYI

 

[zipzaddle]

Cain was left out of the family tree of Israel for why the sons of God were being referenced in His words in the O.T. as they do stem from Seth and then to Adam.
You will not find Cain listed in any of the direct line of the Genealogy of Isreal's roots. FYI

I would ask to use scripture, but it is just used out of context to contort to what is lodged in the head.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I would ask to use scripture, but it is just used out of context to contort to what is lodged in the head.

I understand your reasoning coming off of Adam, but Israel's family tree is linked to Seth and then to Adam.

Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters besides Cain & Abel but the direct line from Israel is to Noah and then to Seth and then to Adam. It does not connect all offsprings of Adam's and Eve's as Israel's family tree. The reference of the sons of God is only for Israel per the O.T.

 

[Taken]

Marriage is a covenant that God performs.

I do not believe God "performs" the ceremony of a marriage of human TO human nor angel to human.

God Blesses a marriage between a man and a woman who have expressed a True Vow, one to the other in agreement.

The extra vows of love from couples that people add today is not Biblical and rather boastful which is what love is not.

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A man and woman expressing their OWN words in their VOWS...I do not find boastful...but rather the intent is for them to Agree and Reveal the Standard and Principles before witnesses and God of HOW they AGREE to Conduct their Lives together as one.

Anyone that makes vows like in those same sex marriages or those who marry animals, are not married in God's eyes. No way.

Correct. Those things ARE NOT ACCORDING TO HIS WAY, or with His Blessing.

So for sons of God to be taking wives for themselves in His words in order for them to be called "wives" in His words, those are marriages that God has performed.

Disagree. God does not "perform" marriages;
He Sets the Standard of WHAT a Marriage IS;
And Recognizes and Blesses a Marriage That IS According to HIS WAY.

God NEVER set a Standard for angels and humans to marry OR reproduce.

Fallen angels who joined with and matted with human woman were NOT BLESSED, but rather punished.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[zipzaddle]

I understand your reasoning coming off of Adam, but Israel's family tree is linked to Seth and then to Adam. Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters besides Cain & Abel but the direct line from Israel is to Noah and then to Seth and then to Adam. It does not connect all offsprings of Adam's and Eve's as Israel's family tree. The reference of the sons of God is only for Israel per the O.T.

The ancient writings view of the "sons of God" as “angels”.
Enoch, Genesis Apocryphon, Damascus Document, Jubilees, Testament of Reuben, 2 Baruch, Josephus, Jude, 2 Peter 2, Job, Septuagint, Codex Alexandrinus

The ancient writings that supported “Sons of God” as “Seth's offspring”
none

This “Seth Offspring” as “Sons of God” and linked to Israel was an interpretation conceived by the Simeon bar Yochai who was anti-gentile in the second century. He did it out of prejudice and trying to make the Jews better than the Gentiles. This was 2nd century recently after Rome genocided Israel which the Jews hated Rome for. Later in history Modern Jewish Religion adopted this belief, but no Ancient Jew believed this.

Modern Jewish Religion - “Seth's Offspring” as “Sons of God”

Ancient Judaism and Christianity - “Sons of God” as “angels”

Your belief is Modern Jewish Religion and not Christianity.
Why are you here in the Christian forum teaching Modern Jewish Religion?
Should be over in the Jewish forum.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I do not believe God "performs" the ceremony of a marriage of human TO human nor angel to human.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus said so....God performs the ceremony of marriage from the get go.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

The ancient writings view of the "sons of God" as “angels”.
Enoch, Genesis Apocryphon, Damascus Document, Jubilees, Testament of Reuben, 2 Baruch, Josephus, Jude, 2 Peter 2, Job, Septuagint, Codex Alexandrinus

The ancient writings that supported “Sons of God” as “Seth's offspring”
none

This “Seth Offspring” as “Sons of God” and linked to Israel was an interpretation conceived by the Simeon bar Yochai who was anti-gentile in the second century. He did it out of prejudice and trying to make the Jews better than the Gentiles. This was 2nd century recently after Rome genocided Israel which the Jews hated Rome for. Later in history Modern Jewish Religion adopted this belief, but no Ancient Jew believed this.

Modern Jewish Religion - “Seth's Offspring” as “Sons of God”

Ancient Judaism and Christianity - “Sons of God” as “angels”

Your belief is Modern Jewish Religion and not Christianity.
Why are you here in the Christian forum teaching Modern Jewish Religion?
Should be over in the Jewish forum.

Enoch is not scripture. It runs against the accepted scripture of the Bible.

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Fallen angels just lose their habitation and are in chains to go to the lake of fire one day, meaning that eternal judgment is coming.

They do not have the power to recreate themselves to be able to marry and have children.

Any other source coming out of Alexandria where poetic licensing has been known to exist along with gnosticism is a reason why you should discern all things coming out of there which is why I believe the scripture coming out of Antioch is kept by His disciples who loved Him and His words ( John 14:23-24 & John 15:20 ).

I have used scripture in tracing Israel's family tree to Seth and the to Adam.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Scripture identifies the use of the phrase, "the sons of God" as pertaining to bloodline and Judaism before Jesus came to provide the only way to become a son of God now.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Since they certainly were not angels if you believe they were fallen angels, then they certainly would not be called sons of God, right? You kinda have a conundrum there, brother.

So hardly referring to Jewish religion but to scripture on who the sons of God were and are now.

Toss that Book of Enoch out. It is a fraud. Do take time out and discern that because in one place in that Book of Enoch, it talked about how certain things in creation did not come forth when God told them to come forth and they were being punished in Heaven, and yet scripture says this:

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The Book of Enoch is actually calling God a liar in Isaiah. Burn that Book of Enoch. It is not in the Bible for a lot more reasons than that one too.

 

[zipzaddle]

So hardly referring to Jewish religion but to scripture on who the sons of God were and are now.

The Book of Enoch is actually calling God a liar in Isaiah. Burn that Book of Enoch. It is not in the Bible for a lot more reasons than that one too.

The books of Enoch and Jubilees portray the dynamics between angels, God and men in a way that is contrary to Modern Judaism. Promoting Modern Judaism on a Christian forum. Modern Judaism took out all the books pertaining to Jesus to hide the fact He was the Messiah. Do you believe Jesus was the Messiah?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Cain was left out of the bloodline of the sons of God which is Israel's family tree. There would be no point referencing Cain at all when obviously, by his murder of Abel, he could not very well represent the godly line that was Israel's family tree for Israel to be godly like Seth.

This is where daughters of men can be referenced from, but not just from Cain since there were other offsprings of Adam and Eve and their grandchildren and even great grandchildren from which Cain got his wife from.

God gave Cain a chance to repent, he was a marked man, but no one was allowed to kill him.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

The books of Enoch and Jubilees portray the dynamics between angels, God and men in a way that is contrary to Modern Judaism. Promoting Modern Judaism on a Christian forum. Modern Judaism took out all the books pertaining to Jesus to hide the fact He was the Messiah.

Scripture cannot run against scripture.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

That means the Book of Enoch is lying when certain parts of creation are suffering in Heaven as a punishment for not coming forth when God said so.

And no lie can be of the truth.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Do you believe Jesus was the Messiah?

Look at my faith in my avatar. It says Christian.

Jesus said angels cannot marry nor given in marriage. The same applies to fallen angels. Is Jesus a Jew now? He is King of the Jews. He is God. He knows better than that fraud of that Book of Enoch does. How can the author, Enoch, written a book that survived the flood? No way.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

God gave Cain a chance to repent, he was a marked man, but no one was allowed to kill him.

The reason why God had protection over Cain because every body in the land of the living was a relative to Cain and Abel and they would have cause to kill him for killing Abel. There was no place for Cain to go on that one land continent. He was as good as dead for why God protected him.

 

[Helen]

What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus said so....God performs the ceremony of marriage from the get go.

The emphasis there is on "what GOD has joined together"
Most marriages have nothing to do with God.
My marriage didn't, we were both heathens.

Lust not love joins many marriages.
Even in "christian" marriages it is not always God which joined them ...they find that out soon after... and divorce.

Just saying...

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

The emphasis there is on "what GOD has joined together"
Most marriages have nothing to do with God.
My marriage didn't, we were both heathens.

Did someone say "What God has joined together, let no man separate"?

Even so, marriage is not man's concept or idea. It is God's. Jesus said so by referring to the very beginning when Eve was created for Adam.

Lust not love joins many marriages.

1 Corinthians 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Looks like to me that Paul as led by the Spirit is saying God is giving permission to marry to avoid burning.

Even in "christian" marriages it is not always God which joined them ...they find that out soon after... and divorce.

Just saying...

If the Jews had that attitude... it still would not fly with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

So every sinner and believer out there needs Jesus's forgiveness and deliverance as well as His help for more than what we think in these latter days.