Ashura 2025

[Matthias]

Today is Ashura on the Muslim calendar. What is Ashura and why don’t all Muslims observe it the same?

”Ashura is a day of commemoration in Islam and holds great significance for Muslims across the world. …”

What is Ashura? How do Shia and Sunni Muslims observe it?

Middle East Eye looks at why the day is significant from both a religious and historic perspective

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Matthias]

@David in NJ I started this thread with you in mind; a follow-up prompted by our recent conversation in the Quranic Dilemma thread. Are you knowledgeable about this Islamic celebration? If not, would you like to know more about it?

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ I started this thread with you in mind; a follow-up prompted by our recent conversation in the Quranic Dilemma thread. Are you knowledgeable about this Islamic celebration? If not, would you like to know more about it?

Yes & Good Morning

 

[Matthias]

Yes & Good Morning

I didn’t know anything about it until about fifteen years ago. In fact, for some reason I thought it was (or might be) a Hindu festival. I was totally ignorant about it - just a name that showed up on my calendar that had nothing to do with me, or with anyone I knew - until I began speaking with a Muslim co-worker.

From the linked article:

“Muslims fasting on the day of Ashura believe that God will forgive their sins from the previous year.”

Is this a common belief among all Muslims? Does the belief include all sin or only “minor” sin?

That’s something which would be good to know before engaging a Muslim in conversation.

 

[David in NJ]

I didn’t know anything about it until about fifteen years ago. In fact, for some reason I thought it was (or might be) a Hindu festival. I was totally ignorant about it - just a name that showed up on my calendar that had nothing to do with me, or with anyone I knew - until I began speaking with a Muslim co-worker.

From the linked article:

“Muslims fasting on the day of Ashura believe that God will forgive their sins from the previous year.”

Is this a common belief among all Muslims? Does the belief include all sin or only “minor” sin?

That’s something which would be good to know before engaging a Muslim in conversation.

This is what you will come to know as you research Quran and modern day muslim beliefs:

They will mimmick and quote Genesis and Israel's feasts as if they belong to the Quran/MuhaMUD

It is quite astounding and SUPER deceptive.

i listened to a recent muslim radio broadcast here in the USA and the imman was quoting Genesis and other OT prophets and applying it to Quran/MahamMUD

 

[Matthias]

This is what you will come to know as you research Quran and modern day muslim beliefs:

They will mimmick and quote Genesis and Israel's feasts as if they belong to the Quran/MuhaMUD

It is quite astounding and SUPER deceptive.

i listened to a recent muslim radio broadcast here in the USA and the imman was quoting Genesis and other OT prophets and applying it to Quran/MahamMUD

The Muslim co-worker I mentioned (a native of Nigeria) was having a discussion at work one day during lunch with an agnostic co-worker of ours. I listened to them talk but said nothing. When their conversation concluded the agnostic left, leaving the Muslim and I at the table finishing our lunch. The Muslim was exasperated. He turned to me and asked what I thought. I told him I worship the God of Abraham. (I intentionally didn’t mention Isaac and Jacob / Israel). That started a conversation about the Book of Genesis and turned into a wide ranging conversation that went on for over a year, including a visit to the mosque he attended - and a brief private meeting with the Imam (a native of Pakistan), who delivered a personal message to me which he said he had received from Allah concerning me.

 

[David in NJ]

The Muslim co-worker I mentioned (a native of Nigeria) was having a discussion at work one day during lunch with an agnostic co-worker of ours. I listened to them talk but said nothing. When their conversation concluded the agnostic left, leaving the Muslim and I at the table finishing our lunch. The Muslim was exasperated. He turned to me and asked what I thought. I told him I worship the God of Abraham. (I intentionally didn’t mention Isaac and Jacob / Israel). That started a conversation about the Book of Genesis and turned into a wide ranging conversation that went on for over a year, including a visit to the mosque he attended - and a brief private meeting with the Imam (a native of Pakistan), who delivered a personal message to me which he said he had received from Allah concerning me.

a personal message to me which he said he had received from Allah concerning me.

Which is...............

 

[Matthias]

Which is...............

I’ve shared the message in another thread on the forum. It was, and remains, of interest to me.

It was a warning (in 2007) about persecution and that, if I don’t flee to the safety of the mosque when it comes, the martyrdom that I would experience - not by the hands of a Muslim; by the hands of a Christian.

 

[David in NJ]

I’ve shared the message in another thread on the forum. It was, and remains, of interest to me.

It was a warning about persecution and that, if I don’t flee to the safety of the mosque when it comes, the martyrdom that I would experience - not by the hands of a Muslim; by the hands of a Christian.

Well, regardless of who the persecution comes from you may, in fact, find relief by blending in with a mosque.

Fleeing physical persecution is how the Saints made it to America

The REAL Test will come when you/us/we are challenged to renounce the only Name that can SAVE

 

[Matthias]

Well, regardless of who the persecution comes from you may, in fact, find relief by blending in with a mosque.

I won’t.

Fleeing physical persecution is how the Saints made it to America

The REAL Test will come when you/us/we are challenged to renounce the only Name that can SAVE

The Imam loves Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

I won’t.



The Imam loves Jesus.

That is great if he does!

Which jesus does he love???

 

[Matthias]

That is great if he does!

He most assuredly does. You would never hear him say a word against Jesus.

Which jesus does he love???

We find out by reading an English translation of the Quran.

 

[lforrest]

That started a conversation about the Book of Genesis and turned into a wide ranging conversation that went on for over a year, including a visit to the mosque he attended - and a brief private meeting with the Imam (a native of Pakistan), who delivered a personal message to me which he said he had received from Allah concerning me.

I didn't think Muslims were supposed to believe in prophecies after Mohamed, who was supposedly their last prophet. In that way they are similar to cessationists.

 

[Matthias]

I didn't think Muslims were supposed to believe in prophecies after Mohamed, who was supposedly their last prophet. In that way they are similar to cessationists.

All I can tell you is what the Imam told me. When persecution comes, Allah wants me to run to the mosque for protection. If I don’t, I will be slain at the hands of a Christian.

Perhaps a Muslim member will see this and enlighten us further with an Islamic perspective on the incident.

 

[Matthias]

“In Islamic tradition, since our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, has been the last of all prophets, God is not going to send another prophet. but God might send inspired preachers to bring people back to the right path. And so this is all within God’s will.”

Why were prophets only sent to the Middle East?

Question from viewer: "If Allah wanted mankind to follow Islam and abide by its rules, then why did he send prominent prophets with their scriptures to the Middle East region only, leaving America, Australia, India, China, and many other areas? Allah tells us in the Quran that he sent prophets...

www.quranspeaks.com

I’ve characterized the incident that happened to me at the mosque as a prophetic warning. That’s my perspective. From an Islamic perspective, what happened to me at the mosque might be understood as “Allah sent an inspired preacher to bring me to the right path”.

Before I visited the mosque, my Muslim friend spoke with the Imam about it and made the arrangements. My friend didn’t know ahead of time that the Imam was going to speak briefly with me in private. Neither did I. I hadn’t requested a meeting and was surprised when it happened. So was my friend.

 

[David in NJ]

I didn't think Muslims were supposed to believe in prophecies after Mohamed, who was supposedly their last prophet. In that way they are similar to cessationists.

Prophets and "cessation" can be two different perspectives depending on the measure it is applied.

Cruel cessationists will vilify the Holy Spirit and those who have been Blessed with the Holy Spirit

Whereas those of us who know Scripture and Prophecy understand what God is doing since the apostles left.

There are no more OT prophets in the NT Body of Christ

 

[David in NJ]

“In Islamic tradition, since our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, has been the last of all prophets, God is not going to send another prophet. but God might send inspired preachers to bring people back to the right path. And so this is all within God’s will.”

Why were prophets only sent to the Middle East?

Question from viewer: "If Allah wanted mankind to follow Islam and abide by its rules, then why did he send prominent prophets with their scriptures to the Middle East region only, leaving America, Australia, India, China, and many other areas? Allah tells us in the Quran that he sent prophets...

www.quranspeaks.com

I’ve characterized the incident that happened to me at the mosque as a prophetic warning. That’s my perspective. From an Islamic perspective, what happened to me at the mosque might be understood as “Allah sent an inspired preacher to bring me to the right path”.

OK - sounds good

What is the "right path"?

 

[Matthias]

OK - sounds good

It’s plausible. I really don’t know. (The author of the article is Sunni. Leaders of other sects might or might not agree with him.)

What is the "right path"?

Is your question for the Imam or for me?

If for the Imam, he would say Isalm.

If for me, my answer is primitive Christianity.

 

[Matthias]

“Is it permissible for a Muslim to shake hands with a non-Muslim?”

The Imam was made aware beforehand (by my Muslim friend) that I’m a Jewish monotheist who believes Jesus is the Messiah. (I don’t know whether or not my friend told him I believe Jesus is the Son of God. I do know that he told him that I don’t affirm the Nicene Creed.) When we met - which occurred after he delivered his sermon - he extended his hand to me and I shook it. He had a firm handshake. His demeanor was friendly but serious.

The Imam is Sunni. Would it have been different if he wasn’t? I really don’t know.

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