Be ye doers of the Word...

[Insight]

Insight - thanks for clarifying that you are not against me - for the record, I never thought you were. I think of you as a fellow Christian and I enjoy our conversations.

As far as the issue of sanctification - I noticed that you defined it as 'the process of becoming Holy' - I could not agree more! I believe the process is comprised of teachings from the HS and practice of those teaching in the form of love.

I think we actually agree.

Thank you Apsen,

Jesus actually prayed that through the Word, we 'Might be truly sanctified', the Greek implies that not all will find Holiness in them...but he also does not want any to perish 2 Peter 3:9

Nonetheless, we must encourage everyone as James taught:

Recieve the Scriptures with meekness James 1:21

God bless your looking and recieving.

Insight

 

[aspen]

AWESOME!!!
OH GOD, YOU ARE SO AWESOME!
I AM IN AWE OF YOU!

 

[Vengle]

I have gone through life as if on a roller coaster of ups and downs trying to be a doer of the word. And it has gotten rather frustrating at moments for it seemed that when ever I felt pleased with myself that anytime I felt I was on track and doing it well suddenly I was thrown down again. At times I crawled into to bed so to speak and just laid there due to the frustration.

And it is at that sort of a time that Jobs well meaning friends come around telling us things like our problem is that we lack faith. Are they thinking that by telling us that they are going to encourage us to have more faith? All I could think was, "Well, I am glad you think you are doing so well. Been there right where you are."

Sometimes I think that we are often guilty of trying to force the growth of others as we think it ought to be, instead of just accepting that it is God that makes it grow and where a person is at is OK for them to be.

 

[THE Gypsy]

1. 2 Tim 3:15 has long been the key verse to explain that salvation cannot be sought anywhere else but the Word of God (The Word is in the Scriptures) its Inspired and given to Inspire those who take it in.

It says no such thing.

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them]; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim 3:14-15

It says the Scriptures are "able to make you wise". No one is debating that.

3. You have asked me what my prayer might be: I would pray for them come to an understanding (not just knowledge) but a certain type of knowledge as revealed in 2 Cor 4:6KJV.

It’s a very special knowledge that, if in us, in the earthen vessel will save us. It’s found in the Holy Scriptures and has gone throughout the whole earth (Mark 16:16)

I asked you what you prayed with someone that wanted to be saved, not what you "might pray". Thanks for the scripture quotes but that is not an answer. The question still stands...If someone comes to you and says "How can I be saved?" What is the prayer you pray with them?

 

[Insight]

It says no such thing.

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them]; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim 3:14-15

It says the Scriptures are "able to make you wise". No one is debating that.

Read it again....lets not leave off the word salavation

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation

1. Able
2. Wise
3. Salvation

Salvation and the Scriptures are neatly interwoven and by them one can establish faith (Heb 11:1) in Christ Jesus.

I asked you what you prayed with someone that wanted to be saved, not what you "might pray". Thanks for the scripture quotes but that is not an answer. The question still stands...If someone comes to you and says "How can I be saved?" What is the prayer you pray with them?

Yes, you put forth a hypothetical scenario which I answered. Of course I would need to know the person I am praying for and their particular needs deficiencies in knowledge and faith.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Certainly the Scripures provide this light!

But if this did not suffice, you could always go to John 17 where the Master ask His Father that we remain in His Word.

Or

You could pray for the interested person to follow the important spiritual steps of Prov 2:

My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; Pro 2:2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Pro 2:3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; Pro 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Pro 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

The Holy Scripures do all these things.

Of course one needs to enter them to be saved.

 

[THE Gypsy]

Read it again....lets not leave off the word salavation

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation

1. Able
2. Wise
3. Salvation

Salvation and the Scriptures are neatly interwoven and by them one can establish faith (Heb 11:1) in Christ Jesus.

More importantly...Let's not leave out the word "unto".

1 : to

2—used as a function word to indicate reference or concern <they became a world unto themselves — Anne T. Fleming>

http://www.merriam-w...=0&t=1318639405

Meaning as it relates "to" something, NOT "obtaining". Again...No one is debating that.

Yes, you put forth a hypothetical scenario which I answered. Of course I would need to know the person I am praying for and their particular needs deficiencies in knowledge and faith.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Certainly the Scripures provide this light!

But if this did not suffice, you could always go to John 17 where the Master ask His Father that we remain in His Word.

Or

You could pray for the interested person to follow the important spiritual steps of Prov 2:

My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; Pro 2:2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Pro 2:3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; Pro 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Pro 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

The Holy Scripures do all these things.

Of course one needs to enter them to be saved.

No. You did not answer. You pontificated.

You don't "need to know" the person as there is only one way to salvation. It doesn't matter who they are, what their background is, what their income is, their demographics, whatever...There is only one path to salvation.

Either you are unwilling to answer the question...Which a Christian should never be, or you are unable to answer the question...which is kinda frightening.

"hypothetical scenario"? Let me get this straight...You've NEVER had anyone ask you how to become a Christian? Maybe that should tell you something.

Personally, I find it appalling that when a broken unbeliever is standing before a Christian, all that christian has to offer is to simply hand them a Bible...It is unscriptural as well.

 

[Insight]

More importantly...Let's not leave out the word "unto".

1 : to

2—used as a function word to indicate reference or concern <they became a world unto themselves — Anne T. Fleming>

http://www.merriam-w...=0&t=1318639405

Meaning as it relates "to" something, NOT "obtaining". Again...No one is debating that.



No. You did not answer. You pontificated.

You don't "need to know" the person as there is only one way to salvation. It doesn't matter who they are, what their background is, what their income is, their demographics, whatever...There is only one path to salvation.

Either you are unwilling to answer the question...Which a Christian should never be, or you are unable to answer the question...which is kinda frightening.

"hypothetical scenario"? Let me get this straight...You've NEVER had anyone ask you how to become a Christian? Maybe that should tell you something.

Personally, I find it appalling that when a broken unbeliever is standing before a Christian, all that christian has to offer is to simply hand them a Bible...It is unscriptural as well.

Are you alright Gypsy?

 

[THE Gypsy]

Are you alright Gypsy?

Hmmm...Interesting...Deflection rather than addressing the issues. Good job.

 

[Insight]

Hmmm...Interesting...Deflection rather than addressing the issues. Good job.

No, your tone sounded angry and frustrated like there was another issue behind your thoughts?

I am taking a person through instruction at present who was raised from a child and has known the Scriptures rather well.

For this person its about them understanding the commitment they are taking on and how change must take place in their life. So while she has knowledge, for her its about practically applying this knowledge in her everyday life.

Last year I taught a 16 year old young women who came from a fractured home and suffered much abuse at the hands of her parents. So knew very little about the Word of God, so her circumstances were very different.

Gypsy, I agree that you cannot throw the Book at one being called and say "work it out your savlation for yourself" - Instruction is required 2 Tim 3:16 along with the loving support.

Be still.

Insight

I find it appalling that when a broken unbeliever is standing before a Christian, all that christian has to offer is to simply hand them a Bible...It is unscriptural as well.

BTW Did I ever suggest this approach Gypsy?

Look back through the posts?

 

[THE Gypsy]

No, your tone sounded angry and frustrated like there was another issue behind your thoughts?

I am taking a person through instruction at present who was raised from a child and has known the Scriptures rather well.

For this person its about them understanding the commitment they are taking on and how change must take place in their life. So while she has knowledge, for her its about practically applying this knowledge in her everyday life.

Last year I taught a 16 year old young women who came from a fractured home and suffered much abuse at the hands of her parents. So knew very little about the Word of God, so her circumstances were very different.

Gypsy, I agree that you cannot throw the Book at one being called and say "work it out your savlation for yourself" - Instruction is required 2 Tim 3:16 along with the loving support.

Be still.

Insight



BTW Did I ever suggest this approach Gypsy?

Look back through the posts?

We're not talking about me or instruction, growing in the Lord, etc. We're talking about Salvation.

Once again...You pontificate on everything except the real issue being discussed. Sad, indeed.

 

[Insight]

We're not talking about me or instruction, growing in the Lord, etc. We're talking about Salvation.

Once again...You pontificate on everything except the real issue being discussed. Sad, indeed.

You can speak out against 2 Tim 3:15 although you can try - the Scriptures are given for the purpose of salvation - in them is the power of eternal life John 17:!7 John 6:63 - it is the same Word which quickens.

No pontification here Gypsy!

41Those who accepted his message (the Word) were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; [sup]4[/sup]Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:3-4).

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise (in the Scriptures), as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Pet. 3:9).

Without the Word of God spoken, written or in whatever form you decide, no man women or child can be saved. To imply the Scrpiture take NO part in salvation is foolishness.

Cease from being a fool Gypsy and repent!