Being Saved is not Passive on our Part

[robert derrick]

Men speak like the Spirit of God does things within them, as though they were passive recipients: that is not Scripture.

The Spirit does nothing within us without our active participation: we are not computers being programmed by God: Jesus does not enter, until we open the door upon hearing the knocking of His word.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Rom 8)

Being led by the Spirit is being led with the Spirit, which is not passive on our part: we are not carts being pulled by a spiritual horse.

Being led with the Spirit is hand in hand walking in His steps: we are as newborn babes in Christ: we are not babies being carried around in His hands, especially not across the finish line.

We are riders of the spiritual horse, and we receive and are led with the Spirit, only when we take Him by the hand to ride with us to heaven:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev 19)

The Spirit does not come and take over, while we sit passively by letting Him do all the good work of cleaning our filthy hearts and bodies: Being born and led of the Spirit is not for passive babies, nor is it spirit-possession.

We actively hold onto His hand while walking in His steps: no one but us can pluck our hand out of His, by going off to sin some more.

We are friends and brethren in fellowship with Him and in need of His hand: He does not need ours.

We are not dead weight sinners of ball and chain, that He has to drag to heaven, because He has unconditionally agreed to take us to heaven by a foolish grace of our own making.

 

[robert derrick]

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. (James 1)

We see here a commandment to repent and receive the word, which is only then able to save the soul, not before: receiving Him is not passive, but is actively obeying Him to do so.

Our obeying the commandment to receive the word is not passively hearing only, but is spiritually active obedience to the commandment for all men to repent and obey the faith of the gospel.

His good work begins within the heart, with us doing our part by His Spirit, to cleanse ourselves spiritually and bodily:

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

We obey the commandment to open the door to Him, that He may enter and cleanse all things with us hand in hand: there is no passive salvation by Jesus Christ, and there is nothing passive about being led of His Spirit.

We are not passively born of God by His Spirit, because we are to first actively obey the commandment to receive Him as the fellow cleanser of ourselves side by side: Jesus loves to wash our feet, but He cleanses and guards and keeps no man's soul by Himself.

Those who think they are passively born and saved of God, are those who only think they are, because they want to believe it.

They do not know they are born and saved of God, because they do not know Him by passively doing nothing to cleanse themselves inwardly first and outwardly:

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Only those keeping His commandments know Him, because they know He is right there with them hand in hand doing so.

Passive do-nothing salvation is for hearers only, not doers of the word cleansing within and without the house.

 

[robert derrick]

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. (James 1)

The parable of the sower only goes so far: We are not earthly ground that passively receives whatever seed is thrown at us.

We are spiritual beings that either actively receive the word by commandment, or we actively disobey Him.

We receive the seed to plant within our hearts with Him: we plant together side by side, and so we grow together hand in hand:

And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

We do not passively hold to the Head: holding the Head and the Hand is by active obedience only.

Until we receive Him, we are not being saved by Him, and receiving Him is not passive, but by obedience to do so.

Jesus does not enter into, nor abide in any disobedient heart.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The grace of God is our helper, not our personal cleaning maid and slave, while we sit back passively celebrating her really great work within us.

OSAS is not just false, but is sorriness dripping off.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Men speak like the Spirit of God does things within them, as though they were passive recipients: that is not Scripture.

The Spirit does nothing within us without our active participation: we are not computers being programmed by God: Jesus does not enter, until we open the door upon hearing the knocking of His word.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Rom 8)

Being led by the Spirit is being led with the Spirit, which is not passive on our part: we are not carts being pulled by a spiritual horse.

Being led with the Spirit is hand in hand walking in His steps: we are as newborn babes in Christ: we are not babies being carried around in His hands, especially not across the finish line.

We are riders of the spiritual horse, and we receive and are led with the Spirit, only when we take Him by the hand to ride with us to heaven:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev 19)

The Spirit does not come and take over, while we sit passively by letting Him do all the good work of cleaning our filthy hearts and bodies: Being born and led of the Spirit is not for passive babies, nor is it spirit-possession.

We actively hold onto His hand while walking in His steps: no one but us can pluck our hand out of His, by going off to sin some more.

We are friends and brethren in fellowship with Him and in need of His hand: He does not need ours.

We are not dead weight sinners of ball and chain, that He has to drag to heaven, because He has unconditionally agreed to take us to heaven by a foolish grace of our own making.

Of course our faith is not a passive thing.

But remember this verse:

Philippians 2:12-13
King James Version

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


Before we worek out Gods will for our lives, He must first work it in and then enable us for those specific tasks.

That does not mean we sit on our hands waiting for a bell to go off or a booming voice from heaven. there is the general will of God for all believers as spelled out in Scriptures we must do before He will empower us for the specific things in our lives to glorify Him.

We are saved by faith apart from any works, but saving faith works!

 

[robert derrick]

Of course our faith is not a passive thing.

Without works, it is a dead thing.

We are saved by faith apart from any works, but saving faith works!

Speaking of salvation 'apart' from doing the truth, is to believing in being saved while still doing evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The only time in this life, when any person is doing nothing, neither good nor evil, is as a babe.

People who speak of being saved apart from doing anything, are therefore declaring they are doing nothing in life, neither good nor evil.

That is a lie only for babies to believe.

If we are not doing the truth, we are doing evil.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning...Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Anyone doing evil is not born of God, but is of the devil.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Without works, it is a dead thing.

Saving faith will produce the works God called us to walk in. Salvation causes us to become a new person with a heart to love and serve God!

Speaking of salvation 'apart' from doing the truth, is to believing in being saved while still doing evil.

I know you believe in sinless perfection, but that is a lie fromn Satan to place people into bondage and get them to look at thewir deeds insted of their Savior. A saved person is not perfect in all things, but growing towards that mark.

People who speak of being saved apart from doing anything, are therefore declaring they are doing nothing in life, neither good nor evil.

Once again you are simply lying and bereft of knowing what the Scriptures teach. Salvation is the beginning, journey and end! OUr works confirm that we have been saved. Even our failures show the greatness of God, for He will forgive us because of Jesus. No one here except your own mind is talking about grace as a licvense to sin. We sin without any need for a license, but Grace is a license to learn and grow in holiness and unlearn the old ways and learn the new.

I am glad that God is far more patient than you picture him and try to force this legalistic unmerciful tyrant on the believers here!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Without works, it is a dead thing.

Depends IF you are still "in the Previous dispensation of prophecy/law"
to the TWELVE tribes of Israel (James_1:1), salvation by "repent AND
be water baptized!" (12 apostles)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online):

Saving faith will produce the works God called us to walk in. Salvation causes us to become a new person with a heart to love and serve God!

Yes, "faith is passive," as in humbly responding, Under Mystery/GRACE
(ONE apostle!), To God's Gracious Offer Of ETERNAL Life, and Receiving It,
"Apart From All works" (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5) +

Rom 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him That
Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."​

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Precious friend(s), for your Prayerful And Careful consideration:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) =

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

Is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing God's Differences Be-
tween "HIS Relationship With us," And "our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

► faith ◄
1) Past Tense = "...God delivered us from so great a death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With those who
humbly repent (change mind that "sin is Wrong!") and:

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [ Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance! And:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

1) ► faith ◄ God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

►► love ◄◄
(2) Present Tense = "...God doth deliver us...":

All believers Should do "[ACTIVE] good works (faith which worketh by love!)"
{Which will Never Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform for Him, having
"been Called into fellowship With Him!" (Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9)
Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the Power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:

"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly
Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB)​

►► love ◄◄ "saving faith will SHOULD produce good works" Eternal Results:
(faithful get] rewards {UNfaithful = loss!} (1 Corinthians 3:8-15), ruling and
reigning With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be At The Judgment Day:

►►► Blessed Hope ◄◄◄
(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All (faithful AND UNfaitful) "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
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Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And our fellowship! Correct?
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!
(Romans Through Philemon):

The apostle of GRACE (2 Min With The BIBLE)

FULL study:
Paul, The apostle Of GRACE (Part I)
Paul, The apostle Of GRACE (Part II)

 

[JunChosen]

SALVATION AS SEEN IN THE RAISING OF LAZARUS!
John Chapter 11.
43) And when he thus had spoken [to the Father], he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus come forth.
Can Lazarus who has been dead for four days and stinketh, hear the command of Jesus? Of course not he was physically dead! But he did come forth. What had to have happened? Well, Jesus had to go into the tomb and give Lazarus life.
a) As Lazarus was physically dead, so are we spiritually dead.
b) As Lazarus was physically deaf, so are we spiritually deaf and cannot hear the true Gospel.
c) As Lazarus was physically dumb, so are we spiritually dead and can't speak concerning the things of God.
d) As Lazarus was physically blind, so are we spiritually blind and cannot see nor comprehend the things of the Bible.
There are probably more spiritual truths to be seen in the Raising of Lazarus' illustration, but the above should suffice for the meantime.

Yes, indeed, the born again Christian is definitely passive in his salvation. Let me show you a secret that man, in and of himself, CANNOT have a part in his salvation, for it is God's salvation plan.
Jesus said, "No man can come to me unless the Father draw him! John 6:44
O how the scriptures clearly clarify truths when we know where to look!

To God Be The Glory

 

[GEN2REV]

Men speak like the Spirit of God does things within them, as though they were passive recipients: that is not Scripture.

The Spirit does nothing within us without our active participation: we are not computers being programmed by God: Jesus does not enter, until we open the door upon hearing the knocking of His word.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Rom 8)

Being led by the Spirit is being led with the Spirit, which is not passive on our part: we are not carts being pulled by a spiritual horse.

Being led with the Spirit is hand in hand walking in His steps: we are as newborn babes in Christ: we are not babies being carried around in His hands, especially not across the finish line.

We are riders of the spiritual horse, and we receive and are led with the Spirit, only when we take Him by the hand to ride with us to heaven:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev 19)

The Spirit does not come and take over, while we sit passively by letting Him do all the good work of cleaning our filthy hearts and bodies: Being born and led of the Spirit is not for passive babies, nor is it spirit-possession.

We actively hold onto His hand while walking in His steps: no one but us can pluck our hand out of His, by going off to sin some more.

We are friends and brethren in fellowship with Him and in need of His hand: He does not need ours.

We are not dead weight sinners of ball and chain, that He has to drag to heaven, because He has unconditionally agreed to take us to heaven by a foolish grace of our own making.

Couldn't agree more and in perfect alignment with Scripture.

 

[GEN2REV]

Only those keeping His commandments know Him, because they know He is right there with them hand in hand doing so.

That's right and that is why these Christians were not known of Him; just as He said, they were habitual sinners - they did not obey the Commandments - they were workers of iniquity.

Matthew 7:23

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus does not enter into, nor abide in any disobedient heart.

That's Bible!
John 14:21-23
Acts 5:32

 

[GEN2REV]

Yes, indeed, the born again Christian is definitely passive in his salvation. Let me show you a secret that man, in and of himself, CANNOT have a part in his salvation, for it is God's salvation plan.
Jesus said, "No man can come to me unless the Father draw him! John 6:44
O how the scriptures clearly clarify truths when we know where to look!

John 6:44 doesn't contradict man's need to cooperate in his salvation in the least.

Faith is a gift. Ephesians 2:8 What we then do with that gift decides everything.

Are we lost for a lack of knowledge? Scripture says yes.
Hosea 4:6
Are we lost if we don't develop a love for the Truth by spending ample time with God in His Word? Scripture says yes.
2 Thessalonians 2:10
Is it possible for God NOT to approve of us? Scripture says yes.
2 Timothy 2:15

"O how the scriptures clearly clarify truths when we know where to look!"

 

[JunChosen]

Without works, it is a dead thing.

Ephesians 2:8-9 reads:
9) Not of works lest any man should boast.

Speaking of salvation 'apart' from doing the truth, is to believing in being saved while still doing evil.

Romans 5:8 reads:
But God commandeth his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for our sins.

The only time in this life, when any person is doing nothing, neither good nor evil, is as a babe.

I guess you have NEVER read Psalms 58:3 which reads:
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies
See then, the only time in this world when any person is doing nothing, neither good nor evil, was in the Garden of Eden before sin entered the world.

Anyone doing evil is not born of God, but is of the devil.

On the contrary. 1 John 3:6-9 reads:
6) Whoso abideth in him sinneth not: whoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous.
8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning; For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So you see, anyone born of God that is, born from above cannot sin!

To God Be The Glory

 

[farouk]

Ephesians 2.8 says it's by faith.

Hebrews 11 over and over stresses the importance of faith.

 

[dhh712]

Saving faith will produce the works God called us to walk in. Salvation causes us to become a new person with a heart to love and serve God!

Yes, salvation is definitely faith and works but the works in no way gain our salvation, it is the evidence of it (faith without works is a dead one, from James I want to say 1:5 or thereabouts). Some seem to want to add something to the finished work of Jesus but we add nothing to our salvation--Jesus did it all.

I know you believe in sinless perfection, but that is a lie from Satan to place people into bondage and get them to look at their deeds instead of their Savior.

That is a sure recipe for misery in this life and directly from the mouth of Satan who loves to twist Scripture into lies. 1 John 1:8 is proof for this: "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth [Jesus, the only truth there is] is not in us." If we strive for obedience on our own strength and look not to the Savior, we are attempting to walk in our own righteousness thereby rejecting the righteousness that Jesus holds out for us to own, his own perfect works. Those are the only works that save, Jesus' perfect obedience here on earth.

Once again you are simply lying and bereft of knowing what the Scriptures teach. Salvation is the beginning, journey and end! OUr works confirm that we have been saved. Even our failures show the greatness of God, for He will forgive us because of Jesus. No one here except your own mind is talking about grace as a licvense to sin. We sin without any need for a license, but Grace is a license to learn and grow in holiness and unlearn the old ways and learn the new.

Yes, antinomianism is also false (faith without works or a license to continue to sin without repentance). As in Romans, "Shall we continue to sin then, so that grace may abound? By no means." When we meet Jesus we do not want to sin anymore and thus begins the war within us when by our spirit we strive to serve God but our flesh (i.e. the remaining sin in us not just our physical bodies) is weak to the regard the things of God, desiring rather to give in to sin instead of fighting it.

I am glad that God is far more patient than you picture him and try to force this legalistic unmerciful tyrant on the believers here!

Yes, please turn from these lies of Satan which when those who do not know the Lord hear they are rather exposed to deception instead of the merciful grace of our Beautiful patient Savior. Thus many are turned from knowing Jesus because by this understanding you are in league with the devil thereby more souls remain chained to his malicious slavery.

 

[farouk]

Yes, salvation is definitely faith and works but the works in no way gain our salvation, it is the evidence of it (faith without works is a dead one, from James I want to say 1:5 or thereabouts). Some seem to want to add something to the finished work of Jesus but we add nothing to our salvation--Jesus did it all.



That is a sure recipe for misery in this life and directly from the mouth of Satan who loves to twist Scripture into lies. 1 John 1:8 is proof for this: "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth [Jesus, the only truth there is] is not in us." If we strive for obedience on our own strength and look not to the Savior, we are attempting to walk in our own righteousness thereby rejecting the righteousness that Jesus holds out for us to own, his own perfect works. Those are the only works that save, Jesus' perfect obedience here on earth.




Yes, antinomianism is also false (faith without works or a license to continue to sin without repentance). As in Romans, "Shall we continue to sin then, so that grace may abound? By no means." When we meet Jesus we do not want to sin anymore and thus begins the war within us when by our spirit we strive to serve God but our flesh (i.e. the remaining sin in us not just our physical bodies) is weak to the regard the things of God, desiring rather to give in to sin instead of fighting it.




Yes, please turn from these lies of Satan which when those who do not know the Lord hear they are rather exposed to deception instead of the merciful grace of our Beautiful patient Savior. Thus many are turned from knowing Jesus because by this understanding you are in league with the devil thereby more souls remain chained to his malicious slavery.

@dhh712 Ephesians 2.10 shows that we are saved unto good works; works follow faith, but we are not saved by them; 'not of works' (v.9).....These things are basic, really, aren't they?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Without works, it is a dead thing.



Speaking of salvation 'apart' from doing the truth, is to believing in being saved while still doing evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The only time in this life, when any person is doing nothing, neither good nor evil, is as a babe.

People who speak of being saved apart from doing anything, are therefore declaring they are doing nothing in life, neither good nor evil.

That is a lie only for babies to believe.

If we are not doing the truth, we are doing evil.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning...Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Anyone doing evil is not born of God, but is of the devil.

I think Ron is agreeing with you Rob, at any rate you and I agree on this point sir.

 

[robert derrick]

Saving faith will produce the works God called us to walk in. Salvation causes us to become a new person with a heart to love and serve God!

This of course is true, but the problem is seeking to do so with an uncleansed mind, and so still sinning elsewhere: it's the difference between the righteous saints and the unrighteous christians doing good works and evil from time to time.

You never really become a son of God in this life, loving Him with a whole heart: as you teach, you remain double hearted for life, and even celebrate it in your half-hearted claims of hating it.

I know you believe in sinless perfection, but that is a lie fromn Satan to place people into bondage and get them to look at thewir deeds insted of their Savior. A saved person is not perfect in all things, but growing towards that mark.

Since sinless perfection to you is Satanic bondage, then that is why you do neither live it nor teach it:

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

You give lip service to really really desiring and craving to be sinlessly perfect in future, while declaring it Satanic in this life.

You really don't know what you are even saying.

OUr works confirm that we have been saved.

Once again, on the one hand you condemn the righteous as being saved by 'their' works, and then you boast of 'your' works as confirming your salvation, which is being justified by your works.

You are in fact the self-righteous, who save themselves according to their own imagination of faith to do their own good works.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

'Our' good works confirm nothing, other than your pride in your good works: only the works of God's righteousness from a purified heart by Christ, are justified with God.

The pure in heart never speak of 'our' works, much less as confirming or justifying us.

Your works of good from an uncleansed heart and degenerate mind, are just as filthy before the Holy One of Israel, as any other religious sinner on earth, whether christian, jewish, muslim, buddhist, etc...

Even our failures show the greatness of God, for He will forgive us because of Jesus.

Even here you speak boastfully, without any regard for the mercy of God: we cannot come to Him and confess any sin from the heart, except He draw us by His Spirit.

You presume it by pride in your own good self, which you vainly imagine according to your own sinner's faith.

You do so by the lie of being already forgiven for all sins past, present, and future.

No man sinning with the devil is forgiven of God, born of God, nor being saved of God.

No one here except your own mind is talking about grace as a license to sin. We sin without any need for a license, but Grace is a license to learn and grow in holiness and unlearn the old ways and learn the new.

Incredible!!! Well, Excuuuuuuuse Me!!! I truly do apologize for accusing you of preaching a license to sin, because you don't need one to sin, you just do it anyway!!!! Hilarious!!!

You really don't think about what you are swaying do you?? How many of the little children you corrupt have looked at you with utter confusion on their faces? Or hiding their snickers and smirks?

As I've said many times, just when I think I've heard it all, you people just keep coming up with more. The depths of Satan truly is a deep and bottomless pit indeed, and for now there is no end of the smoke you belch out to justify yourselves, while sinning for him against God.

Incredible.

"We don't need no stinkin' badges and licenses!!"

License to learn what? Sinning? Are you kidding me? No sinner needs to learn how to sin.

We don't 'unlearn sinning': we repent and stop sinning.

Your doctrine is all vain knowledge, words, and smoke. Your forefather Cain slew righteous Abel, who told him his religion was all smoke and no blood.

I am glad that God is far more patient than you picture him and try to force this legalistic unmerciful tyrant on the believers here!

Believers believe many things, which is why they are called believers, but only them receiving the faith of Jesus are purified and saved by His grace.

After reading how Satanic you believe a commandment not to sin is, it is no surprise you wholeheartedly agree with the devil, that any such law against sinning can only be from a legalist unmerciful tyrant.

The mercy of God is to allow time for sinners to repent of sinning. He shows even greater longsuffering mercy to now allow people claiming His own name to depart this world while sinning, or even while sleeping it off.

I am not saying that such an accuser of God and His purified saints, cannot become saved in the future, because we see in Scripture even a reprobate given up on and cast away by God, such as Manasseh, can be drawn to Him one last time to repent. (2 Chron 33)

However, your outspoken refusal to repent of sinning, as being an impossibility, as well as your obvious hatred for preaching against sinning, you plainly confirm you are not being drawn of God at this time to repent of doing so.

Perhaps, if you at least repent of presuming upon His forgiveness for your continuous sinning, He may have mercy upon you:

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Until then you are Jezebeline prophet of false past forgiveness for future sinning, and so you teach fornicators to believe they are saved, even while fornicating with grace.

 

[robert derrick]

Depends IF you are still "in the Previous dispensation of prophecy/law"
to the TWELVE tribes of Israel (James_1:1), salvation by "repent AND
be water baptized!" (12 apostles)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online):


Yes, "faith is passive," as in humbly responding, Under Mystery/GRACE
(ONE apostle!), To God's Gracious Offer Of ETERNAL Life, and Receiving It,
"Apart From All works" (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5) +

Rom 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him That
Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."​

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Precious friend(s), for your Prayerful And Careful consideration:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) =

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

Is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing God's Differences Be-
tween "HIS Relationship With us," And "our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

► faith ◄
1) Past Tense = "...God delivered us from so great a death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With those who
humbly repent (change mind that "sin is Wrong!") and:

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [ Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance! And:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

1) ► faith ◄ God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

►► love ◄◄
(2) Present Tense = "...God doth deliver us...":

All believers Should do "[ACTIVE] good works (faith which worketh by love!)"
{Which will Never Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform for Him, having
"been Called into fellowship With Him!" (Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9)
Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the Power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:

"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly
Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB)​

►► love ◄◄ "saving faith will SHOULD produce good works" Eternal Results:
(faithful get] rewards {UNfaithful = loss!} (1 Corinthians 3:8-15), ruling and
reigning With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be At The Judgment Day:

►►► Blessed Hope ◄◄◄
(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All (faithful AND UNfaitful) "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
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Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And our fellowship! Correct?
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!
(Romans Through Philemon):

The apostle of GRACE (2 Min With The BIBLE)

FULL study:
Paul, The apostle Of GRACE (Part I)
Paul, The apostle Of GRACE (Part II)

You're passive faith theology does not teach being a doer of the word where it begins: within the heart first. Your doctrine is spiritual philosophy only, not the doctrine of Christ that obeys the Spirit in deed and in truth to love God with all the heart and soul and spirit.

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Passive faith is imaginative only: such hearers agree, but do not the work of righteousness where it begins, Within the heart first.

The faith of Jesus is never passive, but ever at work in obedience to God in all things, beginning within the heart: with Jesus' faith we receive His power to be His sons that purify ourselves of all lust and filthiness, beginning in the spirit.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

So long as you refuse to do the work to obey God and cast down your own vain imaginations, and bring all your thoughts in obedience to Christ, you are not a doer of the word, but only a hearer with christian change of lifestyle only.

So long as you are not obeying the faith of Jesus to bring every thought into subjection to Christ, then you are not a quickened son of God.

 

[marks]

Of course our faith is not a passive thing.

But remember this verse:

Philippians 2:12-13
King James Version

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


Before we worek out Gods will for our lives, He must first work it in and then enable us for those specific tasks.

That does not mean we sit on our hands waiting for a bell to go off or a booming voice from heaven. there is the general will of God for all believers as spelled out in Scriptures we must do before He will empower us for the specific things in our lives to glorify Him.

We are saved by faith apart from any works, but saving faith works!

We can never get in front of God. If He hasn't worked it into us yet, we can find much frustration in heartbreak thinking He's failed us, or we are failing Him.

It's all about Jesus, and what He did, not us, and what we do.

We are reconciled in Christ and His obedience, not by our own obedience.

Much love!