Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[Episkopos]

OK, so 1 Corinthians 3:9 is a lie, got it.

What are you trying to justify? People who start their own ministries? The Catholic "Magisterium"? You are playing the opposite verse game without considering the other verses..

"But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Matt. 15:13-14

Obviously, God uses people to do His will...if He can find any that are obedient. But that doesn't take away from the nature of holiness. Even Jesus said He did nothing from His own will...but only did what He saw the Father doing.

Do we get more slack from the Father than Jesus who said...Follow Me?

You are, as many here, confusing Testaments...still relying on the power of the flesh with God winking and tolerating our limitations. Modern doctrines are deeply rooted in denying the power of the gospel, the cross, and the power of grace extended to us through resurrection life. The church is full of "believers" who walk in unbelief. It may be the new normal, but it doesn't mean that's acceptable to God.

Look instead at our responsibility to obey and surrender rather than how much work we can do for God.

Lord, Lord, we did so much in Your Name......

 

[Episkopos]

Good morning Epi,

It's for all of us. And the apostle John wasn't talking to gnostics.

1John 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven for his name's sake.
1John 2:13 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father.
1John 2:14 I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

Let's use some more Scripture.



I think so too.



I don't believe in the what you have called - the higher walk, I think the right (and Biblical) phrase is - abide in Him -

1Joh 3:1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
1Joh 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
1Joh 3:3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
1Joh 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1Joh 3:5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
1Joh 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
1Joh 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1Joh 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
1Joh 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
1Joh 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

Abide in Him, pray without ceasing[1 Thessalonians 5:17 and Ephesians 6:18], capture every thought [2 Cor 10:3-6] is how we protect ourselves from sin and when do sin after all it is not willingly [3:9] and we don't fall from grace as you believe, however when it is willingly (I can not imagine that) then I will agree with you, that is falling from grace and needs repentance.



Speaking for myself, not just a sample of grace, it was life changing, second blessing (the terminology of the holiness movement) was indeed about complete surrender and complete obedience.





You win, I surrender.

Take an indoctrinated person who has been hypnotized into thinking that a certain place is in the lower town. Then try to tell that person that the same place is NOT in the upper town. Since there is no word "upper" in the dogmatic stance that has been endlessly repeated (without a clue as to it's meaning) , the indoctrinated one will reject the statement because there is no understanding of the words being parroted. Is God looking for mindlessness? Or a sound mind that actually grasps the concepts in an orderly form?

Come let us reason together....

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Is. 1:18

Does that mean as we sin they are changed into perfection magically as Behold says? Or that His grace is sufficient for us to have victory over sin...as stated in the NT?

Those who sin have never known Him. What sin? The sin of limiting God and the power of His grace. Whoever abides in Him doesn't sin....in Him is no sin. Whoever abides in Him will walk as Jesus walked...in His perfection. If I say that last statement you will react to it in the flesh because you don't understand the bible and it's impossible sounding (to unbelievers) ramifications.

So this verse...
Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not; whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.

or..

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Are these 2 verses saying the same thing? You will not be able to fathom the depth of the meaning so you won't understand what the author John is getting at. You will have your own opinion of what it means to abide in Christ and you will walk away unchanged unaffected by the truth.


Paul reasoned with people. Jesus reasoned with people. Even the Father reasoned with people. But you modern believers have no understanding of either what you accept or what you are rejecting. All I have to do is change the wording and the true nature of your unbelief is exposed. You are not receiving the truth as a child...and entering into the kingdom. Neither are you growing in knowledge and understanding as an adult. You are doing neither righteousness or holiness. You are not entering into the kingdom realm yourself and trying to stop others from entering. Why? It doesn't fit your human level understanding. It doesn't sound "normal"...so you throw it away. But what you are throwing away is meant to save you.

 

[mailmandan]

1Joh 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Joh 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Joh 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The apostle John is addressing BELIEVERS, he calls them my little children.

1Joh 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

He is saying, nobody is without sin, those who claim without sin deceive themselves, make Jesus a liar.

Speak openly, not cryptic, this is very serious, are you without sin ?

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Secondly, when we come to Christ, are born again, when we receive the indwelling Holy Spirit, what happens?, do you still remember? A miracle, suddenly we don't want to sin any longer or displease Him, right?

Why do you even think you are above the rest of us ?

Amen! Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen! Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.

Truly , truly i say to all
Many will wail on the DAY of the LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and the LAMB .
But the sheep will forever rejoice with HE who has saved us .
And let us all beware
because there are many claoked even in wool who now do the work and the working of
none other than the devil himself , that which is of anti christ will take this generation and all not in the lambs
book of life will beleive the lie and be damned .
The lie they called love that had made the road to GOD very broad as even sins were glorified
and WOE WOE WOE even UNBELEIF was sold as love .
ANTI CHRIST, and do beware for there are many anti christs claoked in false love garments
Leading and co helping to lead this world to what they see as the promised land that floweth with peace n safety .
But THAT IS NOT what they shall attain ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen! Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.

For when they shall say peace n safety THEN sudden destruction comes upon them and they will not escape .

 

[Lizbeth]

Good morning Epi,

It's for all of us. And the apostle John wasn't talking to gnostics.

1John 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven for his name's sake.
1John 2:13 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father.
1John 2:14 I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

Let's use some more Scripture.



I think so too.



I don't believe in the what you have called - the higher walk, I think the right (and Biblical) phrase is - abide in Him -

1Joh 3:1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
1Joh 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
1Joh 3:3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
1Joh 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1Joh 3:5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
1Joh 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
1Joh 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1Joh 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
1Joh 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
1Joh 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

Abide in Him, pray without ceasing[1 Thessalonians 5:17 and Ephesians 6:18], capture every thought [2 Cor 10:3-6] is how we protect ourselves from sin and when do sin after all it is not willingly [3:9] and we don't fall from grace as you believe, however when it is willingly (I can not imagine that) then I will agree with you, that is falling from grace and needs repentance.



Speaking for myself, not just a sample of grace, it was life changing, second blessing (the terminology of the holiness movement) was indeed about complete surrender and complete obedience.





You win, I surrender.

Amen. Walk in the spirit........grow up into the full stature of Christ.......since we have died to sin how can we walk in it any longer.....etc. I think Epi has some truth, but he sure doesn't teach in the same vein as the apostles and unfortunately has some serious error mixed in.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen! Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.

Many now believe one does not even have to have had to confess JESUS
They do not Beleive one had to BELEIVE HE IS THE CHRIST , HE IS THE SON of GOD
They do not beleive HIIM for they do not believe even his own words and gospel .
BUT they darn sure do exist and they darn sure work amongst us .
To decieve this people right into the LIE .
And if you find that hard to beleive , THEN I beleive its time YOU start asking EPI some questions concerning this .
Cause i seen what he has said and it seems a lot of folks here
either have amnesia or never saw it . I dont sit with any who refuses to repent of that other so called gospel .
But many are always fast to forget things . OR they did not know them .
SO you ask him and you see .

 

[amigo de christo]

Walk in the spirit........grow up into the full stature of Christ.......since we have died to sin how can we walk in it any longer.....etc. I think Epi has some truth, but he sure doesn't teach in the same vein as the apostles and unfortunately has some serious error mixed in.

Yeah . did you know that is how it works sister .
ANY false teacher you ever find will have truths blended in of course with the lies .
I seen what epi said a while back sister . AND I SEEN he has NOT EVER ONCE REPENTED OF IT.
Now , hmmm , what DID JOHN say we should do with such
or what did paul say we should do with such . EVEN AN ANGEL SISTER . EVEN an angel .
Amnesia runs very swiftly in this generation .
But by grace i have never forgotten what that man said at the first
and i have NEVER Once seen him repent of it .
All that is going on is a merry go round . Spin and spin and spin
But he never repents and just brings in more clever sounding things
hoping in time to make those on his merry go round , DIZZY and intoxicated and that they see it his way .
WELL i expose him . And beleive me its necessary .

 

[Lizbeth]

You are, as many here, confusing Testaments...still relying on the power of the flesh with God winking and tolerating our limitations

Yes, it's called mercy. Ever heard of it? Ever studied it out? It's a thing, and not a small thing. So much so that we had to be instructed not to abuse it by using it as a license to sin wilfully. Shouldn't you be preaching the GOSPEL Epi?

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, it's called mercy. Ever heard of it? Ever studied it out? It's a thing, and not a small thing. So much so that we had to be instructed not to abuse it by using it as a license to sin wilfully. Shouldn't you be preaching the GOSPEL Epi?

why what a lovely question you asked him dear sister . Shouldnt he be preaching the gospel .
When i tried to remind him of the dire necessity that folks Must BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
well , he called that some sort of religious etc
HE does not beleive one MUST confess JESUS .
HE actually beleives that , or at least once did , that even if one does not Confess JESUS
can still be walking in the SPIRIT . ONLY that is IMPOSSIBLE SISTER .
He always put the ol cart before THE HORSE .

 

[Lizbeth]

Yeah . did you know that is how it works sister .
ANY false teacher you ever find will have truths blended in of course with the lies .
I seen what epi said a while back sister . AND I SEEN he has NOT EVER ONCE REPENTED OF IT.
Now , hmmm , what DID JOHN say we should do with such
or what did paul say we should do with such . EVEN AN ANGEL SISTER . EVEN an angel .
Amnesia runs very swiftly in this generation .
But by grace i have never forgotten what that man said at the first
and i have NEVER Once seen him repent of it .
All that is going on is a merry go round . Spin and spin and spin
But he never repents and just brings in more clever sounding things
hoping in time to make those on his merry go round , DIZZY and intoxicated and that they see it his way .
WELL i expose him . And beleive me its necessary .

Yes, he never repents of anything unfortunately, that I can see. Some people can do no wrong in their own eyes apparently. But God PLEADS imploringly with His people to only acknowledge their wrong. Salvation depends on it, as well as Christian growth.

 

[Lizbeth]

why what a lovely question you asked him dear sister . Shouldnt he be preaching the gospel .
When i tried to remind him of the dire necessity that folks Must BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
well , he called that some sort of religious etc
HE does not beleive one MUST confess JESUS .
HE actually beleives that , or at least once did , that even if one does not Confess JESUS
can still be walking in the SPIRIT . ONLY that is IMPOSSIBLE SISTER .
He always put the ol cart before THE HORSE .

Sadly I've come across folks like that....who are too advanced in their own eyes and proud for the very gospel which alone can save.

 

[Episkopos]

Amen! Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.

The hypocrisy of your stance is that those who sin 100% of the time (using your extremist view) and then claim to be as righteous as Christ by imputation are somehow not the worst hypocrites and self-righteous religionists of all time...making even the Pharisees blush.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen! Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.

they water down the law to a way they feel they have kept it.. so they have earned the right to be called children of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sadly I've come across folks like that....who are too advanced in their own eyes and proud for the very gospel which alone can save.

Epi has been around for along time

If you actually read him, He has only met this sinless state a few times (unless he changed what he teaches)

you have to watch him in what he says, He is a great deciever

 

[amigo de christo]

Sadly I've come across folks like that....who are too advanced in their own eyes and proud for the very gospel which alone can save.

as for me , i have come , by grace , to the all out conclusion
and total beleif and fully persuaded mind
that WITHOUT CHRIST , FAITH IN HIM , I can do nothing but one thing .
And what is this one thing i speak of , FAIL .
IF one puts the cart before the HORSE and omits the DIRE NEED TO have had TO HAVE BELIEVED ON
JESUS , well that cart goes no where but unto destruction .
EPI has long put the HORSE IN THE CART and has even taken the wheels off the Cart
and has placed the wheels on his own shoulders and is doing all now to try and PULL that HORSE IN THE WHEELESS cart .
AND that is all in VAIN . and in VAIN it all is my dear sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now marks is being accused of having an EXTREMISTS view by this man .
By this very man who has done NOTHING to remind this people of THE DIRE NEED TO FIRST BELIEVE ON CHRIST .
In fact , way back and early on when i used to warn EPI about THE DIRE NEED for one to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS
he called that religious ego pride .
BUT what is ego and what is pride . IS IT NOT THINKING folks can do what no man can do , WITHOUT BELEIF IN CHRIST .
Yet that is what he does .
This is super deadly what he does . Because he then uses solid truths
but does so believing this can be done WITHOUT EVEN having to have had to BELEIVE ON JESUS .
SO would that not be known as SELF righteousness , placing TRUST in oneself to attain .
YOU BET IT IS . As for me , YOU BET I AM GONNA REMIND and REMIND continually
to all that has breath , OH YE MUST SURELY BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS
and that if one truly does they would have HAD the SPIRIT by which we can now do what is pleasing TO GOD
by FAITH IN HE WHO GOD DID SEND .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now marks is being accused of having an EXTREMISTS view by this man .
By this very man who has done NOTHING to remind this people of THE DIRE NEED TO FIRST BELIEVE ON CHRIST .
In fact , way back and early on when i used to warn EPI about THE DIRE NEED for one to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS
he called that religious ego pride .
BUT what is ego and what is pride . IS IT NOT THINKING folks can do what no man can do , WITHOUT BELEIF IN CHRIST .
Yet that is what he does .
This is super deadly what he does . Because he then uses solid truths
but does so believing this can be done WITHOUT EVEN having to have had to BELEIVE ON JESUS .
SO would that not be known as SELF righteousness , placing TRUST in oneself to attain .
YOU BET IT IS . As for me , YOU BET I AM GONNA REMIND and REMIND continually
to all that has breath , OH YE MUST SURELY BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS
and that if one truly does they would have HAD the SPIRIT by which we can now do what is pleasing TO GOD
by FAITH IN HE WHO GOD DID SEND .

if you do not agree with Epi

You are an extremist or a false teacher.

it is this way in every chat room he visits..

 

[Lizbeth]

if you do not agree with Epi

You are an extremist or a false teacher.

it is this way in every chat room he visits..

I see his behaviour as being in the same vein as cult leaders, unfortunately.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I see his behaviour as being in the same vein as cult leaders, unfortunately.

interesting, In another chatroom, he was called a cult leader by many. He even had his groupies who followed him..