Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah
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Is the gospel God's simple solution to man's complexity due to eating from the tree of Knowledge?
Abraham's message was simple and clear:
Ge 15:6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (from the Torah)
Paul's was as well:
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
This was Paul's gospel. A simple and plain message not obscured by gnostic or intellectual complexities:
1 Co 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
The gospel isn't a theology test. It's the means whereby we are made holy and worthy to enter into union with Christ and into the fellowship of the Trinity. Something no other created being will ever experience. An emersion into the intimacy of the Trinity.
Blessings!
Abraham's message was simple and clear:
Ge 15:6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (from the Torah)
Paul's was as well:
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
This was Paul's gospel. A simple and plain message not obscured by gnostic or intellectual complexities:
1 Co 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
The gospel isn't a theology test. It's the means whereby we are made holy and worthy to enter into union with Christ and into the fellowship of the Trinity. Something no other created being will ever experience. An emersion into the intimacy of the Trinity.
Blessings!
Hey Shep. The problem lies with a lack of depth in the theologians who try to cover up their ignorance with their convoluted attempt to make sense about something they haven't experienced. Having an interest to study the bible is not the same as being an apostle or prophet. And people that listen to such elevated "thinkers" will accept the explanations that take away from the glorious power of the gospel. So we are the ones who complicate the gospel because of our shallowness. The complexity is in us and the desire to be saved IN our sins.
The gospel isn't difficult to understand....it is too deep for us to understand. It takes divine revelation.
Again, theologians take away and add to the gospel due to lack of understanding, knowledge and wisdom.
The kingdom of God is like a net, taking in ALL KINDS of fish. But these will be sorted out and many will be rejected. It is a wonder that people care so little to understand how God judges in reality....preferring religious platitudes that are against the truth...condemning themselves.
Behold
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If the person's "understanding of the Gospel" is the same as Paul's Gospel, then their understanding of the Gospel" lines up with the scriptures"
You teach and preach that """The Cross of Christ is not about forgiveness of sin".. so your understanding of the "Gospel" does not "line up with the NT Scriptures". @Episkopos
Paul would disagree with you. And every other author of the bible too. Exploiters of God are not championed in either testament.
Behold
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Our understanding of being "made righteous", and forgiven all sin, by the "one time Eternal Sacrifice of Jesus" on The Cross, is Paul's teaching. Its Paul's Soteriology Doctrine.
So, the understanding of the New Covenant, that is the Blood Atonment, that is the Cross of Christ, CAME from Paul.
Its Paul's Doctrine that is "Justification by FAITH" ""without works or deeds of the Law".
The understanding of the "imputed RIGHTEOUSNESS of Christ".......came from Paul.......Its His SALVATION doctrine.
No one is as righteous as Christ, therefore that level of righteousness is always His own and can never be imputed to us. You simply don't understand spiritual things.
Hi Epi
About the orange, how do you know ?
And, can you elaborate with a few examples about the blue ?
NayborBear
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Yes!
And this verse reveals (and continues to reveal still) what transpired then, as well as in this present day.
Judges 21:25 (KJV)
In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
It's true that the love of God and the full mystery of the gospel is too deep for any one man's comprehension. It is beyond anyone's grasp. It can only be fully understood by a mutual comprehension of the entire body together in unity.
Eph 3:17-19
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Together we can know what is beyond knowledge.
Ps 133:1-2 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
Only when we dwell together in unity will the anointing flow from the head into every part of the body. THEN we will understand...together.
It isn't for us to declare ourselves righteous based on our beliefs. Everything is coming from us and a religious imagination in that case. God must intervene personally in the life of the individual...if we are to have a unique and personal testimony of Christ. And this goes beyond a change in motivation...into the actual eternal realm. Salvation is far more basic than that if we are speaking of an inheritance of life AFTER a physical death. God will have mercy on whom He wills. But God judges hard against those who name and claim philosophical, figurative, positional doctrines, and lower His standard of holiness. Such will be cast out of the presence of God as an eternal reminder of the mixture of flesh and Spirit among such that refused to repent and fear God and repent of the evil they did.
My ministry to the modern church is to save people from such an end, through a balanced and spiritual understanding that restores both righteousness on the human level, and holiness on the spiritual level. Each according to its own weight of glory...from glory to glory.
that is UNTIL we come to the unity in the full stature of Christ. None of this is automatic. The prophetic ministry HAS TO BE restored according to how Paul describes how the ekklesia is to meet.
We will never agree on things if we willfully ignore the biblical admonitions.
As long as we settle for platitudes that have no power but are philosophical in nature, the church will sleep.
To get to that unity the prophetic ministry of those who have gone before and testify to the truth must be considered and received. If we can't hear the prophetic voice of the spiritual in Christ, then they alone remain in union with God.
How can so many believers all agree on things that are NOT found in the bible...and all collectively ignore what is indeed written in the bible...without the slightest protest?
It is indoctrination. The way that children believe in Santa Claus. The answer is to put away childish things and embrace the truth in knowledge, wisdom and understanding.
The whole idea that a person can declare themselves righteous because they read in the bible that believers are justified in Christ. This takes self-righteousness to a whole new level beyond even what the Pharisees declared for themselves...after all they only claimed to have a human righteousness, but the modern pretenders claim to be as righteous as God Himself. These have fallen into the trap of not reading the bible with the requisite humility and honesty and fear of the Lord. With a new covenant comes a whole new order of self-righteousness. Such is the collateral damage caused by making a higher walk available to men. So much assuming and presuming. Jesus said that we are to raise the dead as a witness of His power. You won't find many who name and claim that level of walk. Likewise the bible comes to us in understatements and we exaggerate our own claims where we can without proof or power.
God justifies believers personally by translating them into the higher walk in the kingdom realm of Zion in a walk without sin by the grace of God in resurrection power and life. But people have made a figurative religion out of some preferred bible statements that have no basis in eternal reality. It is no wonder that so many will be rejected on judgment day with... "Depart from Me, I never knew you" (personally).
So why is it so important to make foolish and lofty claims? The religious pride of the sinful uncrucified outer man. Does God now give grace to the proud?
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Behold
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All the born again are become "made righteous"......
How?
Its defined as receiving "Christ's righteousness"......as the imputed righteousness of Christ.
The best way to understand it.......is .... "Jesus becomes the sin of the Christian, and the Christian becomes = Christ's righteousness".
A.) Jesus died on The Cross so that our sin can be forgiven, and once this is accomplished God then gives each believer "the Gift of Righteousness"...
Here is how Paul explains it in Romans.
Romans 5:17
KJV
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of Righteousness = shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ..
If you dont have this before you die, you will go to Hell.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of Righteousness = shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ..
If you dont have this before you die, you will go to Hell.
Behold
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God declares each Christian to be a "New Creation in Christ"....Born again......"made righteous"... having become "the rightousness of God, in Christ".
You can't go to heaven, without the imputed righteousness of Christ......that is "the Gift of Righteousness".
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of Righteousness = shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ..
If you dont have this before you die, you will go to Hell.
According to your Threads and subsequent posts......Your ministry has no connection to the New Covenant.
Also.....Your personal testamony of Salvation, that ive read carefully, has absolutely no connection to the New Birth. @Episkopos
Your theology, has no connection to Paul's Gospel, or His Doctrine.
According to your Threads and subsequent posts........You are a self defined hyper religious pretender, a devout Legalist, who has bizarre religious theories regarding "walking in Zion" .............while you openly proclaim on a Christian Forum that "The Cross is NOT about Forgiveness".
So, only a FOOL could pretend to be a Theologian, and yet not understand the core reality that its our SIN that separates us from God and Christ on The Cross came to forgive our sin so that God could restore us unto Himself.
You have no concept of how Salvation is given, as you prove endlessly with your "here is what you must do," Legalism theology.
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I am sure there is a level of walk that most will not enter into. However, those with humble faith and a sincere spirit can expect mercy and a certain measure of grace. I think this verse is as relevant for those who claim the name of Christ as it was for those under the law.
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Behold
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Behold
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The full stature of Christ is not based on deeds and self effor and works.
Its attained by revelation knowledge regarding correct FAITH.
You do no have this.....because you teach a false heretical theology regarding The Cross of Christ
You have no understand that The Cross of Christ Forgives the sin of a sinner like YOU......and you dont believe this, yet.
This is why your personal salvation testimony OMITTED everything that is related to becomeing a Christian, based on being FORGIVEN.
Most believers are invited as guests to the feast of God. If we sow in righteousness we will reap in mercy.
Notice the two levels of righteousness...both from OUR faith and from the faith OF Christ.
Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the Lord, till he come and rain righteousness upon you. Hos 10:12
Jesus came for a Bride. He called sinners to repentance...not the righteous. The righteous are acceptable to God through obedience and faith. Many are called as guests....few as saints.
Jesus didn't just come to have people inherit life...that depends on their actions. He came to give us life abundantly right now. Heaven is NOW....not later. Many think Christianity is like a Norse religion with Valhalla. Totally wrong philosophical ideas.
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Behold
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Jesus has come, and His Righteousness is Imputed to the Believer.
As David explaines it like this..
Romans 4:6
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputed RIGHTEOUSNESS....without works"..
So, @episkopos......you are trying to "do righteousnes" while not having it, as you deny that God gives His righteousness to anyone.
Your False teaching, is LEGION, on this forum, and everywhere else you post it.
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