Biblical Mary

[BreadOfLife]

Your opinion doesn't obliterate anything.
Your opinion and posting (references...to Scriture /Not Quotes of Scripture)...proves nothing.
Your usual MO...
* Catholic taught and rant opinion.

Time for another Bible Lesson . . .

What do the Scriptures have to say about the women standing at the cross and their children?

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

When you compare the different accounts of the crucifixion, they CLEARLY show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.

 

[Mungo]

Part of the problem with images is that Protestants (except Lutherans) split Ex 3-5 into two commandments when they are one.
Jews, Catholics and Lutherans treat the three verses as one (Catholics include vs 2)

Major statement
3 “You shall have no other gods before me".

What does other gods involve
4 “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God,……

See Illuminator's post #795 about bowing.

 

[Mungo]

Already answered.

No you haven't.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

anti-Catholics can't agree on much of anything.

I am anti anything contrary to the holy scriptures.

The Catholic religion is just another worship tradition that sets aside the word of God in favor of their own practices. All Protestant traditions likewise do the same things, but in different ways. I don’t trust anything but the word of God!

"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." (Psalms 118:8)

 

[Mungo]

The Catholic religion is just another worship tradition that sets aside the word of God in favor of their own practices. All Protestant traditions likewise do the same things, but in different ways. I don’t trust anything but the word of God!

"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." (Psalms 118:8)

Actually you mean your own personal and fallible interpretation if the word of God.
Or do you think all your interpretation is infallible?

 

[Taken]

"Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place." (Deuteronomy 27:15)

I am not opposed to men "making" statutes, carvings, etc.
It all hangs on, the reaction of "other men", that I find "Scripturally acceptable" or "Scripturally unacceptable."

Meaning...is the "statue, carving, etc." a thing to remind, to give a remembrance...or a thing to be bowed (worshiped) to, prayed (asking) to, exalted (praised).

US Federal Government was a creation of, by, and for the People, AND Established Under the Promise; the US Fed Govt's LAWS, would be according to the LAW of God...
* God having First given His Law to Moses...
Moses is remembered AS having been the First receiver and doer of Gods Law.
* Through ancient history...were other men Law receivers, Law makers, Law keepers, according to Gods Law...and they are particularly remembered.

The US, being a young, newly formed Nation;
Remembered men, who came before the men, who would take turns being SEATED, as Law receivers, Law makers, Law keepers according to Gods Law.

US Federal Govt "makers" of Law...are elected, appointed Congressmen. They "make" law in the House of Congress...(the House Chamber)

Surrounded BY (relief portraits)...(head and face representative portrait style carvings from stone) OF Prominately "MOSES"...
And 22 other smaller sized historical men WHOSE record of authority revealed them fufilling their duty of making and Keeping Laws within Gods Laws.

It is a reminder to ALL men elected and appointed to SIT in that Chamber AS SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE...to MAKE Laws, WiTHIN the boundaries of Gods Law.

Too bad the relief portraits are placed so high on the walls of the House Chamber...because the majority of elected and appointed "servants" (do Not routinely take turns...instead do everything they can devise for themselves to remain GLUED to House seats and keep their heads down scribbling out ideas that Serve themsleves rather than the People "according to Gods Law".

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Mungo]

I am anti anything contrary to the holy scriptures.

No Catholic doctrine (properly understood) contradicts the Bible (properly interpreted).

 

[TheslightestID]

I haven't denied/avoided any facts.

Lol.

If God hates images so much why did he order the Jews to make them?

Did he order the Jews to bow to those images?

You know perfectly well it is the bowing to these images that is the problem, or are you in denial about that as well?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ooooh, where shall I start? Perhaps the miracle of Pilates staircase now supposedly residing in Rome?
Or the nails of the cross that at one time adorned the head of Constantine atop the body of the statue of Hercules? But they weren't doctrines of councils were they.
How about the acceptance of the myth of Mary's bodily resurrection? How about the assumed right of the Catholic Church to steal the property of those she deems heretics? Not to mention the assumed right to require the state to kill them. How about the assumed right to alter and change God's Commandments?

MOST of what you just posted are NOT doctrinal matters.

As for Mary's Assumption - there is Biblical reference for it. Mary is the ONLY one in ALL of Revelation who is seen with a full body - from head to toe (Rev. 12:1).
And the Commandments weren't changed - they're ALL still there.

 

[TheslightestID]

No you haven't.

Did to, did not, did to, did not, and so forth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...scripture is clear...
Who, What, When, Why, Where, How
is created and is made.
Figuratively is Carnal understanding.

Man HAS a beginning.
Man WAS Created out of the Earth.
Gen 2: (a)
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,

Man WAS Created WITH seeds.
Mans SEEDS reproduces it same KIND of thing, called Man-KIND.
(Gen 1)
...after his kind...after his kind...after his kind

TO EVERY KIND OF SEED...GOD GIVES THAT SEED ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL BODY.

1 Cor 15:
[38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


Mans BODY WAS/IS Formed by God.
Isa: 43; (a)
[1] But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee...

Mans SOUL (BELONGS to GOD),
Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The soul that belongs TO GOD, IS given into the man, that the Formed man, WILL BE MADE come ALIVE/LIVING.

Gen 2: 7 (b)
God...and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

ALL FLESH IS NOT THE SAME KIND OF FLESH....
ALL BODY'S ARE NOT THE SAME KIND of BODY'S.

1 Cor 15;
[39] (a) All flesh is not the same flesh:
[40] (a) celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial...

Humans are of the same flesh.
Humans are terrestrial body's.

The Lord Gods Flesh is not Human flesh.
The Lord Gods Body is not terrestrial.

So, you DON'T believe that Jesus is God?
You ran from that question earlier.

OR - do you believe that He IS God - but that His BODY was not human but some kind of "illusion"?
Don't run this time . . .

 

[Illuminator]

Already answered.

Then name the post number where you "already answered" because I can't find it.

Lol.

Did he order the Jews to bow to those images?

You know perfectly well it is the bowing to these images that is the problem, or are you in denial about that as well?

Your problem of bowing has been answered in post 795 that you are in denial of.

 

[Mungo]

Lol.



Did he order the Jews to bow to those images?

You know perfectly well it is the bowing to these images that is the problem, or are you in denial about that as well?

Illuminator explained that - see post #795

 

[Mungo]

Did to, did not, did to, did not, and so forth.

If you did then it should be easy for you to point to the post.

 

[Illuminator]

GENERAL BIBLE QUESTIONS

1.) True or false: The Bible has a verse(s) that lists what books belong in the Bible.

If true, quote the chapter and verse______________________________

2. If the Bible doesn't tell us what books belong in it, then is the Bible's "table of contents" merely a human tradition?
A) yes
B) no, its not by "merely human tradition" that compiled the Holy Books
C) all traditions are to be condemned

3. If the list of Biblical books is not revealed in the Bible itself, what men drew up the list?
A) Luther, Calvin, Knox, and Zwingli
B) The Twelve Apostles
C) The Jewish Council of Jamnia in the 1st century
D) Several Bishops in 4 councils from the 2nd to the 4th century

4. Why do you trust these men?
A) they were guided by the Holy Spirit
B) their offices were of direct descent from the Apostles
C) they were unanimous in faith and practice
D) all of the above

5. Is their list infallible? (without error)
A) yes
B) no, Luther removed the added books 1100 years later and made
it infallible
C) no, the Jewish council of Jamnia (95 AD) had more authority about the canon of scripture than Christians, even though they rejected Christ and the message of the New Testament.
D) No, the bible came from God, it didn't come from man, that's why its infallible.

6. If the list of books in YOUR Bible is infallible, on what authority is it so?
A) by virtue of the office of the bishops who proved which ones of the many books were inspired
B) the power to bind and loose which was given to the Church
C) by the authority of Christ which lives in the Church
D) King James, who gathered the books from the Apostles, and lived to be 1600 years old.
E) I trust the publisher
F) A, B, C

7. True or False: Even though the list of books in the bible is not in the bible, it is an infallible list.?

8. If their list is not infallible, and is merely a human tradition, why do you trust it? On what authority?
A) God decided the list, not men. That is why I trust it, on the authority of the Holy Spirit, Who had no need of men to make the list.
B) the list IS infallible, on the authority that Jesus gave to sinful Church leaders.
C) the list IS infallible on the authority that the Holy Spirit gives me a good feeling about it.

9) Some claim the Bible says that unless doctrines are explicitly found in scripture, they cannot be trusted. State any explicit biblical basis for this doctrine, Old or New Testament.

10) If (9) has no verses to support the claim, but you accept it as a doctrine anyway, isn't that an extra-biblical "rule of faith and practice", or an extra-biblical doctrine?
A) yes
B) no

11) Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book?
A) The Gospels
B) The Epistles
C) Revelation
D) nowhere

12. True or False: Jesus told all His apostles to write things down.

13. Where in the New Testament do the apostles tell future generations that the Christian faith will be based on a book?
A) The Gospels
B) The Epistles
C) Revelation
D) nowhere

14. If the authors of the New Testament believed in Sola Scriptura, why did they sometimes draw on oral Tradition as authoritative and as God's Word (Matt 2:23; 23:2; 1 Cor 10:4; 1 Pet 3:19; Jude 9, 14;15)?
A) once its written, its no longer tradition
B) oral Tradition is part of Divine Revelation and just as authoritive

15. A few Christians claim that Jesus categorically condemned all oral tradition (Matt 15:3, 6; Mark 7:813). If so, why does He bind His listeners to oral tradition by telling them that to obey the scribes and Pharisees when they "sit on Moses' seat" (Matt 23:2)?

 

[TheslightestID]

Then name the post number where you "already answered" because I can't find it.

And because another in denial Catholic refuses to see, this is supposed to mean the answer is not there? This is all expected with this subject.

Sorry the little "gotcha" question didnt work out.

 

[TheslightestID]

Illuminator explained that - see post #795

Ok, if youd prefer not to answer.

 

[TheslightestID]

If you did then it should be easy for you to point to the post.

Already done as well.

You are welcome to badger me all day long if you like, but it wont change a thing.

 

[Mungo]

Already done as well.

You are welcome to badger me all day long if you like, but it wont change a thing.

In other words you didn't but won't admit it.

 

[Mungo]

Ok, if youd prefer not to answer.

I see no point in reposting Illuminators post.
It's there for you to look at.