Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

[Grailhunter]

• Jesus accused Christ-rejecting Israel of being of their “father the devil” (John 8:44).
• He said they were of “the synagogue of Satan” (Revelation 2:9, 3:9).
• Paul the Apostle said they are enemies of God (Romans 11:28).
• John said that those who reject Christ as Messiah are of “antichrist” (I John 2:22-23 ) and are under “the wrath of God” (John 3:36).

You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44
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But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Matthw 3:7
He was talking to a specific group of Jews, not Jews in general. Do you always misunderstand scriptures this way?

I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Rev 2:9 Well I guess you do not understand scriptures.

 

[covenantee]

They do not have Him, they worship Him.

They cannot worship Him Whom they do not have.

They are antichrist.

 

[Grailhunter]

So, we now belong to a spiritual flock with Christ-hating Jews?

I did not say we belong to the Jews.
Are you posts to yourself?

 

[WPM]

You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44
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But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Matthw 3:7
He was talking to a specific group of Jews, not Jews in general. Do you always misunderstand scriptures this way?

I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Rev 2:9 Well I guess you do not understand scriptures.

More avoidance.

 

[Grailhunter]

What are you talking about? They reject Jesus Christ (man's only Savior), therefore, they reject Yahweh. Christ-rejecting Jews are therefore under condemnation and are of their father the devil.

Maybe you misunderstand the names of the Gods.
Yahweh is God the Father
Yeshua is God the Son.

Ok, what does this mean? Simple: those Jews and Gentiles that don’t accept Christ, don’t accept the Father. Christ-rejecting Jews and Gentiles are therefore under condemnation and are of their father the devil.

As I said before Christ taught Christianity....We are not Judaism. Your making me repeat myself to much and at times put word in my mouth.

 

[Grailhunter]

Does Israel overwhelmingly deny “that Jesus is the Christ” or Messiah?

This is a silly question.

 

[WPM]

I did not say we belong to the Jews.
Are you posts to yourself?

What? I just asked you:

So, this fold of Jesus is ethnic and Christ-rejecting? Really? That is what we have been brought into? Wow!

You answered:

I was talking about the Jews.

They do not have Him, they worship Him.

You are stating that we now belong to a spiritual flock with Christ-hating Jews. You have Christ's spiritual fold that He shepherded over before the cross full of Christ-hating Jews that we Gentiles have been brought into today. This is absurd.

 

[Grailhunter]

The teaching of Scripture couldn’t be plainer: Jews who do recognize Christ as Messiah are saved. Jews who do not recognize Christ as Messiah are lost. The only chosen people that God knows and accepts are those that accept His Son. The rest are of their father the devil.

Again you do not understand the scriptures.
How many times have I agreed the only Way is through Yeshua.
Please stop making me repeat myself, you are getting very boring.

 

[Grailhunter]

There is no neutrality with this Jesus. There is no room for fence-sitting when it comes to Him. You are either for Him or against Him.

Who said there is fence sitting?

 

[Grailhunter]

God does not separate His elect up, He unites them together in Christ. In fact, there is nothing more unbiblical in this new covenant period than trying to divide up the people of God on the grounds of ethnicity. That is spiritual apartheid and runs completely to the New Testament plan of God to bring Jew and Gentile together equally in Christ. The whole mission of Jesus Christ in introducing the new covenant was to unite Jew and Gentile in salvation. Nothing could be clearer in the New Testament!

You were good until you said divide up the people of God ethnicity. They were divided by religious beliefs but you are right about want to unite them all.

 

[Grailhunter]

More avoidance.

Stating the facts and scriptures are not avoidance.

 

[Grailhunter]

You answered:

I answered what?

 

[Grailhunter]

You are stating that we now belong to a spiritual flock with Christ-hating Jews.

No I did not. The whole spiritual flock thing....I am talking about actual people. And I did not say we belong with the Christ hating Jews. I still think you are debating yourself. Quit putting word in my mouth.

 

[WPM]

They do not have Him, they worship Him.

You were good until you said divide up the people of God ethnicity. They were divided by religious beliefs but you are right about want to unite them all.

God does not separate His elect up, He unites them together in Christ. In fact, there is nothing more unbiblical in this new covenant period than trying to divide up the people of God on the grounds of ethnicity. That is spiritual apartheid and runs completely to the New Testament plan of God to bring Jew and Gentile together equally in Christ. The whole mission of Jesus Christ in introducing the new covenant was to unite Jew and Gentile in salvation. Nothing could be clearer in the New Testament!

 

[WPM]

No I did not. The whole spiritual flock thing....I am talking about actual people. And I did not say we belong with the Christ hating Jews. I still think you are debating yourself. Quit putting word in my mouth.

You are all over the place. Who were the fold of Jesus before the cross? Is this believers or unbelievers. Remember, we have been brought into Christ's flock. He is now our shepherd.

 

[covenantee]

They do not have Him, they worship Him.

What do you think that it means to have the Father?

 

[WPM]

I was talking about the Jews.

Which? (1) Christ-loving Jews, (2) Christ-rejecting Jews or (3) both?

 

[Grailhunter]

You are all over the place. Who were the fold of Jesus before the cross? Is this believers or unbelievers. Remember, we have been brought into Christ's flock. He is now our shepherd.

It is all over the place because you keep saying I said things I did not say.
Who was His fold? Those that believed in Him.

 

[Grailhunter]

Which? (1) Christ-loving Jews, (2) Christ-rejecting Jews or (3) both?

Stating facts. Hebrews, Israelites, and Jews have been worshipping Yahweh for centuries.
I have already said they missed the boat.
I am not making a case or justifying what they believe.

 

[Grailhunter]

What do you think that it means to have the Father?

You cannot have a God. You can believe in Him. You can worship Him.