it is frequently stated that again means from above - this only means that both mean from above and includes not just Nicodemus but all non Christians exactly as Jesus said and really meant imho - twinc
Born again from above?
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This is the 'born again' passage.
John 3:3, Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
v5:except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
From Authorised Version King James.
All it says is that we are born again by the action of the Spirit.
John 3:3, Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
v5:except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
From Authorised Version King James.
All it says is that we are born again by the action of the Spirit.
well you have to watch out for that " imho" which is a shielding you can't prove otherwise, for promoting and expressing a perverse view of scripture. lets face its his honest opinion and that's what's important here on this thread. not the respect for the truth of the matter as is so disregarded here.
Triumph1300
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again interpretation in a slipshod manner is not acceptable - why only born again in v3 and born again of weater and spirit in v5 - twinc
There is no need to apologise for your slipshod interpretation of such a stright forward passage.
As Jesus says, that which is born of water is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit ie conversion from nonchristian to Christian.
Nomad
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The Greek word 'anothen' can be translated 'again' or 'from above' depending on context. Do we have any contextual clues? Yes, we do. Take a look at John 3:4:
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Nicodemus clearly understood Jesus to mean that one must be born 'again.' Furthermore, Jesus and Nicodemus would have been conversing in Hebrew or Aramaic where the ambiguity found in the Greek text would not exist.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Could you please elaborate?
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I actually never found a verse which says " born again from above"
Please show me where it is. I see "born again"...but I have lost the "born again from above" quote.
Thanks.
Nomad has mostly done so in his post that the greek word can mean both - and then he falters and asks me for a further explanation that both require being born from above so there really is no difference imho - twinc
Albert Finch
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Nicodemus’ sarcasm reveals his frustration with Jesus’s answer when he asked, “Can a man enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” (see John 3:4) Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God .“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit . Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again’” (John 3:5-7)
Jesus explained further that to enter the kingdom of God, one must qualify by being born of both water and the Spirit.
WHY BORN OF WATER?
Why did Jesus say one must be born both of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God?
By being born of water, Jesus referred to the act of natural childbirth into the earth realm, always preceded by the breaking of the mother’s aqueous membrane. It is a significant aspect of childbirth. Being “born of water” doesn’t refer to baptism as some have concluded because baptism in water is for believers, not something that makes a non-believer a Christian.
Why would Jesus say such a thing? Why is it important?
One must be born into the realm of the earth to be eligible to be born again by the Spirit of God. The devil and demons want to possess humans to usurp our native-born authority since we have been born in this realm and they have not. From the very beginning in the Garden of Eden, Satan initiated the original usurpation of Adam’s authority.
Only people born in this realm and born again from the heavenly one have the capacity and legal authority to access the heavenly realm.
Jesus explained further that to enter the kingdom of God, one must qualify by being born of both water and the Spirit.
WHY BORN OF WATER?
Why did Jesus say one must be born both of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God?
By being born of water, Jesus referred to the act of natural childbirth into the earth realm, always preceded by the breaking of the mother’s aqueous membrane. It is a significant aspect of childbirth. Being “born of water” doesn’t refer to baptism as some have concluded because baptism in water is for believers, not something that makes a non-believer a Christian.
Why would Jesus say such a thing? Why is it important?
One must be born into the realm of the earth to be eligible to be born again by the Spirit of God. The devil and demons want to possess humans to usurp our native-born authority since we have been born in this realm and they have not. From the very beginning in the Garden of Eden, Satan initiated the original usurpation of Adam’s authority.
Only people born in this realm and born again from the heavenly one have the capacity and legal authority to access the heavenly realm.
again slipshod interpretation does not notice that v3 says "see" whilst v5 says "enter" - twinc
