born again is of the word of God

[David H.]

baptism did not apply to the thief
It was not required till the death of the savior
Heb 9: 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

baptism is a salvation issue

1 pet 3:20-21
The church is the ark of salvation entered by baptism

At Baptism we Put on Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:27), we do not put on the church. In all the time I have commented with you, you seem to be more worried about defending an earthly construct and kingdom more than you are about defending Christ Jesus and His Kingdom which is not of this world. This is the difference between "churchianity" and Christianity...

Have you ever read a vision by Robert Burnell called "Escape From Christendom"? Here is a link if you have not....

Escape from Christendom (awildernessvoice.com)

Those who are truly Born again are on the road to the city of God.

 

[theefaith]

At Baptism we Put on Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:27), we do not put on the church. In all the time I have commented with you, you seem to be more worried about defending an earthly construct and kingdom more than you are about defending Christ Jesus and His Kingdom which is not of this world. This is the difference between "churchianity" and Christianity...

Have you ever read a vision by Robert Burnell called "Escape From Christendom"? Here is a link if you have not....

Escape from Christendom (awildernessvoice.com)

Those who are truly Born again are on the road to the city of God.

Yes we do enter the church
Christ and his church are one acts 9:4

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

the new covenant church is the kingdom of God on earth

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

peter is ruler and head on earth of Christ’s church and peter and the apostles administer Christ’s kingdom on earth visible and physical also spiritual

Not of this world but in this world

We also are not of this world but in this world

 

[David H.]

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

peter is ruler and head on earth of Christ’s church and peter and the apostles administer Christ’s kingdom on earth visible and physical also spiritual

Not of this world but in this world

We also are not of this world but in this world

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. (John 18:36)

Your still fighting for the kingdom of heaven and not the kingdom of God. Its the same mistake that led to the catholic church and the crusades, and is the same mistake that leads them in their church millitant ideas. You should be more concerned about putiing on Christ and laying up treasures in heaven than building an earthly kingdom.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. (John 18:36)

Your still fighting for the kingdom of heaven and not the kingdom of God. Its the same mistake that led to the catholic church and the crusades, and is the same mistake that leads them in their church millitant ideas. You should be more concerned about putiing on Christ and laying up treasures in heaven than building an earthly kingdom.

There are spiritual aspects but it is a real physical earthy kingdom with a visible ruler


Matthew 5:14-16
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

 

[marks]

Something changes in you when you are baptized.... I do not know if I have words to explain it.

We indeed ARE changed when we are immersed into Christ. But water only washes away dirt.

You don't have the words, but you know it's true. You don't have the Scriptures, but you preach and teach it anyway. That's my complaint.


Some call this a second grace, some call it a second benefit, or baptism in the Spirit, or other unScriptural terms. But it's not in the Bible, and in fact this idea contradicts the God's promise to us,


2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This is what He's given us. This is how He's given it. Trying to pursue some other direction will lead you in a different direction.

And look where it's led you.

Look at how you treat people.

The "free grace" theologies do not account for this second work of Grace in the Believer.

There is no second benefit. God gives you His Spirit when you believe. We aren't waiting for more of His Spirit so we can begin to live right. We are to trust His promises NOW, and live right NOW.

It's a false excuse to say, "I can't have unity with my brother because I need more Holy Spirit. If we lack unity, it is because of a lack of faith, and a lack of humility. We are not unified because we are all nice to each other. Behavior is not the unifying factor. God is. We are one if we have the Holy Spirit, He makes us one.

They have Jesus as Savior, But not as LORD.

You dare say this. You amaze me in your audacity. Where do you learn such things? Where do you get the idea such a thing is even possible?

Or that you can broadbrush people with these thoughtless vilifications?

Counter the doctrine, if you have the Scriptures, but instead you vilify the people.

To me, and from my experience in a relationship with God, this leads them to miss out on the sweet savor of His presence in us.

We all have our opinions, and some of us feel free to share our negative ones.

But what do you know about my relationship with Christ? Will you dare trash me concerning my relationship with Jesus?

"If you don't think my way, you obviously aren't as close to Jesus as I am!"

Sometimes I don't enjoy knowing what people are really saying!

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

We indeed ARE changed when we are immersed into Christ. But water only washes away dirt.

You don't have the words, but you know it's true. You don't have the Scriptures, but you preach and teach it anyway. That's my complaint.


Some call this a second grace, some call it a second benefit, or baptism in the Spirit, or other unScriptural terms. But it's not in the Bible, and in fact this idea contradicts the God's promise to us,


2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This is what He's given us. This is how He's given it. Trying to pursue some other direction will lead you in a different direction.

And look where it's led you.

Look at how you treat people.



There is no second benefit. God gives you His Spirit when you believe. We aren't waiting for more of His Spirit so we can begin to live right. We are to trust His promises NOW, and live right NOW.

It's a false excuse to say, "I can't have unity with my brother because I need more Holy Spirit. If we lack unity, it is because of a lack of faith, and a lack of humility. We are not unified because we are all nice to each other. Behavior is not the unifying factor. God is. We are one if we have the Holy Spirit, He makes us one.



You dare say this. You amaze me in your audacity. Where do you learn such things? Where do you get the idea such a thing is even possible?

Or that you can broadbrush people with these thoughtless vilifications?

Counter the doctrine, if you have the Scriptures, but instead you vilify the people.



We all have our opinions, and some of us feel free to share our negative ones.

But what do you know about my relationship with Christ? Will you dare trash me concerning my relationship with Jesus?

"If you don't think my way, you obviously aren't as close to Jesus as I am!"

Sometimes I don't enjoy knowing what people are really saying!

Much love!

In Christian baptism the outward sign of water symbolizes inward grace

the sacraments symbolizes what they accomplish

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

without the outward sign of water there is no sacrament

 

[Curtis]

I must choose “volition” so works

Abraham was justified by works, as are all men. Try reading James.

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

 

[David H.]

We indeed ARE changed when we are immersed into Christ. But water only washes away dirt.

You don't have the words, but you know it's true. You don't have the Scriptures, but you preach and teach it anyway. That's my complaint.

Every church and every believer has this in their belief system they just have different words for it. Whether it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the second move of Grace, Total surrender, Making Jesus LORD, Baptismal regeneration, Entering into fullness, They all have their scriptures for this, all i am saying is that they are the same thing. The Only ones that do not preach this are hyper-grace people. The all deny the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Believer, the Progressive sanctification that comes from our yielding to the work of the Spirit, and in so doing they are missing out on the blessings that come with this communion with "God with us" Emmanuel.

You dare say this. You amaze me in your audacity. Where do you learn such things? Where do you get the idea such a thing is even possible?

 

[marks]

,

Paul Washer teaches you can be saved but not under Jesus' Lordship?

Man!

 

[marks]

Every church and every believer has this in their belief system they just have different words for it. Whether it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the second move of Grace, Total surrender, Making Jesus LORD, Baptismal regeneration, Entering into fullness, They all have their scriptures for this, all i am saying is that they are the same thing. The Only ones that do not preach this are hyper-grace people. The all deny the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Believer, the Progressive sanctification that comes from our yielding to the work of the Spirit, and in so doing they are missing out on the blessings that come with this communion with "God with us" Emmanuel.

To this part, this is patently not true, that everyone believes this.

No, most certainly not!

And your so-called "hyper grace people", whomever they are, well, you've identified them.

Those who deny the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer. OK. Whoever THEY are! Although in reality I recognize malinging innuendo when I see it.

Hm.

So to defend your point, you'll engage in innuendo, in order to, in a passive/aggressive manner, to malign those who teach that in God's total grace towards His redeemed, that He has in fact given them, already, In Christ, everything,

2 Peter 1:3-4 KJV
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

In order to tell us that this passage above isn't actually true, you'd have us believe that anyone who says God's grace is total denies the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer.

The truth is that I am saying that God gives us His Spirit now, and everything we need now, and tells us to walk in His Spirit now. And by trusting that this is true, it is our life now. But you say we cannot now, we must wait, wait for more Holy Spirit. Then, Only Then, can we live the godly life we are born for.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

Paul Washer teaches you can be saved but not under Jesus' Lordship?

Man!

You Probably are not familiar with this whole debate, I suggest you do some research yourself. Let the Spirit guide you and teach you.

To this part, this is patently not true, that everyone believes this.

No, most certainly not!

And your so-called "hyper grace people", whomever they are, well, you've identified them.

Those who deny the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer. OK. Whoever THEY are! Although in reality I recognize malinging innuendo when I see it.

Hm.

So to defend your point, you'll engage in innuendo, in order to, in a passive/aggressive manner, to malign those who teach that in God's total grace towards His redeemed, that He has in fact given them, already, In Christ, everything,

2 Peter 1:3-4 KJV
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

In order to tell us that this passage above isn't actually true, you'd have us believe that anyone who says God's grace is total denies the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer.

The truth is that I am saying that God gives us His Spirit now, and everything we need now, and tells us to walk in His Spirit now. And by trusting that this is true, it is our life now. But you say we cannot now, we must wait, wait for more Holy Spirit. Then, Only Then, can we live the godly life we are born for.

Much love!

True, the Hyper grace people do not teach this. What i tend to think is that it depends on when you were saved....

For example, If you were saved as a child and brought up in a church you are more likely to believe and have this second move of grace in your life, that is because you are going from salvation that was juvenile to one that is a decision of your mature self. But when one is saved as an adult that transformation is more dramatic, because they are seeing that change as mature adults rather than as growing juveniles. In Other words there is more of an instantaneous and complete change when one is saved as an adult.

Just out of curiosity were you saved as an adult?

 

[marks]

You Probably are not familiar with this whole debate, I suggest you do some research yourself. Let the Spirit guide you and teach you.

I'm actually familiar with Paul Washer and his teaching.

True, the Hyper grace people do not teach this. What i tend to think is that it depends on when you were saved....

true or not true? Why do you say it?

Now it's going to be the circumstances of when I was saved? Let's get back to the Bible.

2 Peter 1:3-4 KJV
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

What do these bolded parts mean to you?

Much love!

 

[David H.]

true or not true? Why do you say it?

Now it's going to be the circumstances of when I was saved? Let's get back to the Bible.

2 Peter 1:3-4 KJV
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

What do these bolded parts mean to you?

Much love!

It is an observation made over my Life and walk with Christ. I Have seen drug addicts and alcoholics saved and changed dramatically, where as those in the church are changed when they make a decision to fully submit as an adult.... Perhaps the latter were saved as children under the coercion of their parents or because of friend in the church and they as adults had to decide of their own accord.

Partakers (2 Peter 1:4) is the word koinonos which means fellowship, To join in fellowship with, to have a share in. we all as believers receive this fellowship, what we must do is build upon that relationship. which is what Peter speaks of in the verses that follow. When we are saved we receive that fellowship and to that faith we add virtue, and knowledge, and temperance, and patience and godliness, and brotherly love and Agape. We do not learn these things overnight.... Actually it is impossible to learn patience and temperance overnight, as well as all these virtues.... i mean simple common sense should tell you this, Right? This is the road to sainthood, and Agape is the final step in this. I dare say no one is saved and instantly has mastered patience for example, But this comes from trial and discipline. knowing that tribulation worketh patience; (Romans 5:3)

 

[Robert Gwin]

what’s wrong with baptized infants it’s fully biblical

Jesus Christ eternal God and truth itself says you must be baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit

Even though our exemplar Jesus was perfect, he was 30 yrs old when he was baptized. Baptism is a conscious choice that each individual has to make in their life. It is a public demonstration of one's faith. It is symbolic of one's death to a former course of life, and a rebirth into a dedicated life of living for God. Age of accountability varies per individual, sometimes never being able to achieve. But an infant would never qualify to make such a serious dedication. It may be surprising however at the capabilities of some young ones, for instance a great example of an exemplary youth found in the Bible among God's people is Josiah, remarkably he was only 8 yrs old when becoming King over Jehovahls people, and he proved to be an exemplary King in His service.
(2 Kings 22:1, 2) . . .Jo·siʹah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned for 31 years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Je·diʹdah the daughter of A·daiʹah from Bozʹkath. 2 He did what was right in Jehovah’s eyes and walked in all the ways of David his forefather, and he did not deviate to the right or to the left.

I wish I had his faith, what an example

 

[theefaith]

Abraham was justified by works, as are all men. Try reading James.

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

so you’re rejecting the Protestant dogma of justification by “faith alone”?

faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

 

[theefaith]

Even though our exemplar Jesus was perfect, he was 30 yrs old when he was baptized. Baptism is a conscious choice that each individual has to make in their life. It is a public demonstration of one's faith. It is symbolic of one's death to a former course of life, and a rebirth into a dedicated life of living for God. Age of accountability varies per individual, sometimes never being able to achieve. But an infant would never qualify to make such a serious dedication. It may be surprising however at the capabilities of some young ones, for instance a great example of an exemplary youth found in the Bible among God's people is Josiah, remarkably he was only 8 yrs old when becoming King over Jehovahls people, and he proved to be an exemplary King in His service.
(2 Kings 22:1, 2) . . .Jo·siʹah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned for 31 years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Je·diʹdah the daughter of A·daiʹah from Bozʹkath. 2 He did what was right in Jehovah’s eyes and walked in all the ways of David his forefather, and he did not deviate to the right or to the left.

I wish I had his faith, what an example

Nothing symbolic about it
Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 promise to you’re children
Promise of God is a sacred oath
A sacred oath is a sacrament

Acts 16:15 entire household

it does not say except infants!!!!

 

[marks]

It is an observation made over my Life and walk with Christ.

I suggest this may be how something looks, but not how it is.

It may look the same to someone, a "second Pentacost", and someone beginning to really walk in faith.

Actually it is impossible to learn patience and temperance overnight, as well as all these virtues.... i mean simple common sense should tell you this, Right?

It's not always a question of learning though.

The fact is, many Christians do in fact overcome massive issues instantly. Common sense tells me God can do anything, and that His promises are true.

Partakers is used to translate because it means so much more than fellowship.

The reality is that Christ lives in the believer, and either the flesh life is being lived, or the Christ life is being lived. Generally I think we are a sloppy mess somewhere between the two, but getting more consistent as we go. But I'm not setting that as the rule, that would be foolish of me.

God can and does do all sorts of things in sanctifying His people. Our part is to believe His is doing this for us . . . even now.

Much love!

 

[David H.]

I suggest this may be how something looks, but not how it is.

It may look the same to someone, a "second Pentacost", and someone beginning to really walk in faith.

It's not always a question of learning though.

The fact is, many Christians do in fact overcome massive issues instantly. Common sense tells me God can do anything, and that His promises are true.

Partakers is used to translate because it means so much more than fellowship.

The reality is that Christ lives in the believer, and either the flesh life is being lived, or the Christ life is being lived. Generally I think we are a sloppy mess somewhere between the two, but getting more consistent as we go. But I'm not setting that as the rule, that would be foolish of me.

God can and does do all sorts of things in sanctifying His people. Our part is to believe His is doing this for us . . . even now.

Did You learn everything there is to Know about Faith and the Gospel overnight?
Did You learn temperance overnight?
Did you learn to be patient overnight and learn to wait upon the LORD?
When You were first saved di you live Godly life, or were you still struggling with sin?
Did You immediately love all your brethren when you were saved?
Did you love your enemies immediately when you were saved?

No thee are all areas we grow in and mature in over time in our Spiritual journey.

Jesus Prays over all believers: "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth" (John 17:17) Time is what it takes to be sanctified.

 

[marks]

Did You learn everything there is to Know about Faith and the Gospel overnight?

That's not what you've been talking about.

You are saying we require a second pentacost to be able to know about faith and the Gospel. I'm saying God has already given us His Holy Spirit to teach us.

Did You learn temperance overnight?

This is not what you've been saying. You've been saying we need the Latter Rain so we can become self controlled. Isn't that true? If not, then what?

Did you learn to be patient overnight and learn to wait upon the LORD?

Are you able, now, to, in faith, walk in the Spirit, and see His fruit in your life? Or are you waiting for a second baptism?

When You were first saved di you live Godly life, or were you still struggling with sin?

You'd be surprised at the stories I would tell if God were to direct me to. He does amazing and wonderful things. But I'm not the one on display, He is.

Did You immediately love all your brethren when you were saved?

Are you bereft of love for others until that Latter Rain come?

This isn't what we're talking about.

Of course we grow in faith! In Love! Of course! But why is that? Is it because we refuse to believe what God has already done in us?

Don't you know? Do you want this?

You can renounce hate in a moment, and walk in love if you will trust Him!

Do you think you MUST fail over and over and over? Many people think that, I even struggle with that at times. But it's a lie! You can walk in the Spirit NOW, and know His fruit in your life NOW, IF you will just trust Him, His reconciliation of you to Himself.

No thee are all areas we grow in and mature in over time in our Spiritual journey.

This is true, but not for lack of Christ in us.

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

I encourage you to embrace the truth of this passage.

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

Did You learn everything there is to Know about Faith and the Gospel overnight?
Did You learn temperance overnight?
Did you learn to be patient overnight and learn to wait upon the LORD?
When You were first saved di you live Godly life, or were you still struggling with sin?
Did You immediately love all your brethren when you were saved?
Did you love your enemies immediately when you were saved?

No thee are all areas we grow in and mature in over time in our Spiritual journey.

Jesus Prays over all believers: "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth" (John 17:17) Time is what it takes to be sanctified.

not over believers but his members Christians and believers are catechumens not Christians