Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[Spiritual Israelite]

Right, black is white, and white is black. Yes, you live in opposite world, where logic, as ably shown in your last post, is the polar opposite of logic... anti-... or alt-logic, as it were. Yeah I make it a point to avoid such "logic."


Again your admisstion that you know nothing. So it goes...


That's your problem. "Seeing," when it would be better to actually see. <smile>

Right, you spelled out how blind you are. I mean I knew that.


Ah, there it is again, doubling down... black is white and white is black.

Indeed it is.

But so it goes...

 

[PeterAndroz]

This is all you have to say in response to my post? How about putting a bit more thought into this? Do you think Paul would have been unfamiliar with the time period that is referred to in Revelation 20 as the thousand years? He was not.

What verses from Paul teach that he knew about the Rev 20 1000 year reign ?
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[PinSeeker]

Indeed it is with you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What verses from Paul teach that he knew about the Rev 20 1000 year reign ?
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Do you get the impression from his writings that he did not have a full grasp of God's plans for the future? He was very detailed and had a very strong grasp of Bible prophecy as it related to the future. He was inspired by the same Holy Spirit that John was. Did the Holy Spirit know less when inspiring Paul to prophesy than He did when inspiring John to prophesy?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Indeed it is with you.

Look in the mirror while you say that.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Do you get the impression from his writings that he did not have a full grasp of God's plans for the future? He was very detailed and had a very strong grasp of Bible prophecy as it related to the future. He was inspired by the same Holy Spirit that John was. Did the Holy Spirit know less when inspiring Paul to prophesy than He did when inspiring John to prophesy?

I am asking for verses not fallible opinion :)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I am asking for verses not fallible opinion :)

You are expecting that everything should be explicitly spelled out to us in scripture, but that's not how this works. With your way of interpreting scripture we should expect Jesus to come at least around 10 more times in the future.

 

[PeterAndroz]

You are expecting that everything should be explicitly spelled out to us in scripture, but that's not how this works. With your way of interpreting scripture we should expect Jesus to come at least around 10 more times in the future.

And the verses that teach THE ELECT in Matt 24:31 are those spoken of in 1 Cor 15:52, 1 Thes 4:17 are ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And the verses that teach THE ELECT in Matt 24:31 are those spoken of in 1 Cor 15:52, 1 Thes 4:17 are ?

There's no need to ask me the same question in two different threads. I answered this in the other thread where you asked me this same question.

 

[PeterAndroz]

There's no need to ask me the same question in two different threads. I answered this in the other thread where you asked me this same question.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

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Scripture teaches that the elect are all Christians who belong to God, so the gathering of the church when Jesus comes and we are gathered to Him is the gathering of the elect.

Romans 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

As this passage shows, the elect are those who belong to Christ, which are those who are in the church, including you and me. He "freely gives us all things" and "also makes intercession for us".

 

[PeterAndroz]

Scripture teaches that the elect are all Christians who belong to God, so the gathering of the church when Jesus comes and we are gathered to Him is the gathering of the elect.

Romans 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

As this passage shows, the elect are those who belong to Christ, which are those who are in the church, including you and me. He "freely gives us all things" and "also makes intercession for us".

List the verses that teach Matt 24:31 ELECT is Eph 4:30 SEALED believers (Church) today

 

[PinSeeker]

Look in the mirror while you say that.

No need; I know how good lookin' I am...

 

[PeterAndroz]

No need; I know how good lookin' I am...

That's funny, yet I am genuinely trying to understand why Si believes what he does

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

List the verses that teach Matt 24:31 ELECT is Eph 4:30 SEALED believers (Church) today


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How many times do I have to show you the same passage before you will address what it indicates? Paul taught that the church (those who belong to Christ) are the elect in this passage.

Romans 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Do you agree that we who are in the church are the ones Paul is referring to when he said "If God is for us, who can be against us?" and that God delivered up His Son "for us all" and who will "freely give us all things" and "who also makes intercession for us"? That is who Paul described as "God's elect". Those who belong to Christ and who He has delivered and who He freely gives all things to and who He makes intercession for are the elect. That's us. The church.

 

[PeterAndroz]

How many times do I have to show you the same passage before you will address what it indicates? Paul taught that the church (those who belong to Christ) are the elect in this passage.

Romans 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Do you agree that we who are in the church are the ones Paul is referring to when he said "If God is for us, who can be against us?" and that God delivered up His Son "for us all" and who will "freely give us all things" and "who also makes intercession for us"? That is who Paul described as "God's elect". Those who belong to Christ and who He has delivered and who He freely gives all things to and who He makes intercession for are the elect. That's us. The church.

Paul "Body of Christ" Church V Matt 24:31 ELECT
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Is the Mark of the Beast in operation at the time of Matt 24:31 ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No need; I know how good lookin' I am...

Keep telling yourself that, Stuart.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Paul "Body of Christ" Church V Matt 24:31 ELECT

Do you deny that the body of Christ are the elect, as the following indicates?

Romans 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Do you deny that the body of Christ are the elect, as the following indicates?

Romans 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Do you believe the Mark of the Beast is active in the Matt 24:31 period ?
If so, does a believer who takes the 'mark' lose the HS ?

 

[PinSeeker]

Same to you. Dude. LOL!