Breaking Free From Fake Religion

[Scott Downey]

Another prophetic WORD of dual meaning against the nations and against the jews in Israel
The words used carry an imagery that people can understand

Jeremiah 25
27 “Therefore you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.” ’ 28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup from your hand to drink, then you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts: “You shall certainly drink! 29 For behold, I begin to bring calamity on the city which is called by My name, and should you be utterly unpunished? You shall not be unpunished, for I will call for a sword on all the inhabitants of the earth,” says the Lord of hosts.’

30 “Therefore prophesy against them all these words, and say to them:

‘The Lord will roar from on high,
And utter His voice from His holy habitation;
He will roar mightily against His fold.
He will give a shout, as those who tread the grapes,
Against all the inhabitants of the earth.

31 A noise will come to the ends of the earth—
For the Lord has a controversy with the nations;
He will plead His case with all flesh.
He will give those who are wicked to the sword,’ says the Lord.”

32 Thus says the Lord of hosts:

“Behold, disaster shall go forth
From nation to nation,
And a great whirlwind shall be raised up
From the farthest parts of the earth.
33 And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.

34 “Wail, shepherds, and cry!
Roll about in the ashes,
You leaders of the flock!
For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled;
You shall fall like a precious vessel.
35 And the shepherds will have no [e]way to flee,
Nor the leaders of the flock to escape.
36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds,
And a wailing of the leaders to the flock will be heard.
For the Lord has plundered their pasture,
37 And the peaceful dwellings are cut down
Because of the fierce anger of the Lord.
38 He has left His lair like the lion;
For their land is desolate
Because of the fierceness of the Oppressor,
And because of His fierce anger.”

 

[LoveYeshua]

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“O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?” (Galatians 3:1). Paul’s words pierce the lies of religion based on human effort. The Galatians had begun in faith but had slipped into adding works to their salvation. We see the same today: men and women trust in Christ, then turn to church ceremonies, traditions, or their own religious performance to try to gain acceptance with God.

Scripture bluntly asks: “Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:2). The answer is clear: none. Not one of them was saved by trying to keep rules and regulations. Not one was forgiven by checking off a list of boxes. Salvation was by hearing the gospel and believing it. Romans 10: 17 is straightforward, “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

Paul adds, “Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?” (Galatians 3:3). To be more direct: if life began in the Spirit through hearing and believing, why would anyone try to be made perfect by fleshly effort? To depend on works after receiving God’s grace is to blaspheme the cross of Christ. Galatians 2: 21 states, “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

Instead, the Word turns us to Abraham: “In the same manner also Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness” (Galatians 3:6). And here’s the truth to which we must cling: “So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham” (Galatians 3:9). It is not those who work the hardest who are God’s children, but those who believe God’s promise.

The world will tell you faith isn’t enough, that you have to add something to Jesus’ finished work. It’s the same old lie Paul called bewitching. But the Word of God is firm: salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Are you living in the glorious freedom of faith in Christ? Or are you still bound by the heavy chains of trying to earn what God freely gives? Don’t be deceived. Don’t exchange the truth of the gospel for a counterfeit. Trust in Christ alone and walk in the blessing that belongs to those who have faith.

A Theological Examination of Galatians 3 in Light of Christ’s Teaching​

The third chapter of Galatians has long been read as a defense of faith apart from the works of the law. Paul’s words present a strong contrast between law and faith, suggesting that righteousness comes by believing alone and that the law itself is a curse. He argues that the law was a temporary guardian until Christ came, after which it was no longer binding, for all who believe are now Abraham’s seed and heirs of the promise. But when examined against the direct words of Jesus Christ and the witness of the Old Testament, this interpretation appears to move away from the very standard that Jesus Himself laid down. The question is not whether faith is required, for Scripture shows that it is, but whether faith can stand apart from obedience to the commands of God and the words of His Son.

Jesus, in His own teaching, never separated faith from action. He declared, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21, NKJV). In this statement, He directly joined eternal salvation not merely to confession or belief, but to the practice of the Father’s will. Again, when a rich young man asked Him the way to eternal life, His answer was not “believe only,” but, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). These commandments were never portrayed by Jesus as a curse, but as a path of life.

The Old Testament itself confirms this view. Moses said, “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments” (Deuteronomy 30:15–16). The law was not given as a curse but as a covenant of life, pointing to the blessing of obedience and the danger of disobedience. The Psalms declare the same: “Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly… but his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in His law he meditates day and night” (Psalm 1:1–2). Jesus Himself affirmed the ongoing authority of this standard when He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17–18).

Paul’s description in Galatians 3 that the law is a curse because none can keep it (Galatians 3:10) stands in tension with the words of Christ. Jesus did not call the law a curse but instead said, “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19). His focus was not on setting aside the commandments but on fulfilling them by obedience from the heart.

Jesus also made clear that judgment itself would be based on His words: “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day” (John 12:48). If His words are the standard of judgment, then obedience is inseparable from faith. Likewise, He promised life to those who both hear and keep His word: “Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death” (John 8:51). Faith that does not keep His word is incomplete, for it is the doing of His sayings that makes a person wise and secure, like a house built upon the rock (Matthew 7:24–25).

The disciples of Jesus affirmed the same truth. Peter, speaking of the way of salvation, declared, “We ought to obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29). John, the beloved disciple, also testified that obedience is central to knowing God: “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:3–4). In this, John mirrors perfectly the words of Christ, showing that the faith which saves is not empty belief but active obedience.

From this testimony, the conclusion becomes clear. While Galatians 3 argues that righteousness comes by faith alone apart from the law, Jesus and the Scriptures affirm that righteousness and life are the result of faith expressed in obedience to God’s commands and to the word of His Son. The law is not a curse, but a covenant pointing to life. Faith is the foundation, but it must be joined with obedience, for the true children of Abraham are those who walk in the steps of his faith, a faith made complete by action. As it is written of Abraham, “By faith Abraham obeyed” (Hebrews 11:8)—faith and obedience together.

Therefore, the lasting truth taught by Christ is this: salvation requires belief in Him, but that belief must be lived out in obedience to the Father’s will and to His words. Anything less is not the fullness of the gospel He preached.

 

[bdavidc]

A Theological Examination of Galatians 3 in Light of Christ’s Teaching​

The third chapter of Galatians has long been read as a defense of faith apart from the works of the law. Paul’s words present a strong contrast between law and faith, suggesting that righteousness comes by believing alone and that the law itself is a curse. He argues that the law was a temporary guardian until Christ came, after which it was no longer binding, for all who believe are now Abraham’s seed and heirs of the promise. But when examined against the direct words of Jesus Christ and the witness of the Old Testament, this interpretation appears to move away from the very standard that Jesus Himself laid down. The question is not whether faith is required, for Scripture shows that it is, but whether faith can stand apart from obedience to the commands of God and the words of His Son.

Jesus, in His own teaching, never separated faith from action. He declared, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21, NKJV). In this statement, He directly joined eternal salvation not merely to confession or belief, but to the practice of the Father’s will. Again, when a rich young man asked Him the way to eternal life, His answer was not “believe only,” but, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). These commandments were never portrayed by Jesus as a curse, but as a path of life.

The Old Testament itself confirms this view. Moses said, “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments” (Deuteronomy 30:15–16). The law was not given as a curse but as a covenant of life, pointing to the blessing of obedience and the danger of disobedience. The Psalms declare the same: “Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly… but his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in His law he meditates day and night” (Psalm 1:1–2). Jesus Himself affirmed the ongoing authority of this standard when He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17–18).

Paul’s description in Galatians 3 that the law is a curse because none can keep it (Galatians 3:10) stands in tension with the words of Christ. Jesus did not call the law a curse but instead said, “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19). His focus was not on setting aside the commandments but on fulfilling them by obedience from the heart.

Jesus also made clear that judgment itself would be based on His words: “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day” (John 12:48). If His words are the standard of judgment, then obedience is inseparable from faith. Likewise, He promised life to those who both hear and keep His word: “Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death” (John 8:51). Faith that does not keep His word is incomplete, for it is the doing of His sayings that makes a person wise and secure, like a house built upon the rock (Matthew 7:24–25).

The disciples of Jesus affirmed the same truth. Peter, speaking of the way of salvation, declared, “We ought to obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29). John, the beloved disciple, also testified that obedience is central to knowing God: “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:3–4). In this, John mirrors perfectly the words of Christ, showing that the faith which saves is not empty belief but active obedience.

From this testimony, the conclusion becomes clear. While Galatians 3 argues that righteousness comes by faith alone apart from the law, Jesus and the Scriptures affirm that righteousness and life are the result of faith expressed in obedience to God’s commands and to the word of His Son. The law is not a curse, but a covenant pointing to life. Faith is the foundation, but it must be joined with obedience, for the true children of Abraham are those who walk in the steps of his faith, a faith made complete by action. As it is written of Abraham, “By faith Abraham obeyed” (Hebrews 11:8)—faith and obedience together.

Therefore, the lasting truth taught by Christ is this: salvation requires belief in Him, but that belief must be lived out in obedience to the Father’s will and to His words. Anything less is not the fullness of the gospel He preached.

Paul does not contradict Jesus in Galatians 3; he explains how the law can’t save. The Bible says the law is holy, just, and good (Romans 7:12). But no one can perfectly keep the law. The law brings a curse and reveals our need for Christ. That’s why Paul said, “Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them” (Galatians 3:10). The curse is not on the law but on the law-breaker. Christ redeemed us from that curse by becoming a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). The law was like a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3: 24–25), but once faith has come, we are not under that tutor anymore. That does not mean that believers live in a state of lawlessness. Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). John agreed, “This is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous” (1 John 5:3). Obedience is the fruit of genuine faith, not the ground of salvation. Eternal life is by faith in Christ alone, for Jesus said, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47). But that saving faith is never alone, for James said, “Faith without works is dead” (James 2:26). The harmony of the Bible is this: salvation is by grace through faith apart from the works of the law (Ephesians 2:8–9), and those who are truly saved will by the Spirit walk in newness of life (Romans 8:13–14). The gospel is not faith plus law-keeping as the root of salvation, but faith in Christ that results in obedience as the evidence of salvation.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The whole of Galatians is about "dogs and their vomit", don't be deceived.

Yeah, they turned their backs on the Lord and went back to walking in darkness.... understanding that is not being deceived, it's the Truth!

2 Peter 2: 20 does not teach that true believers can fall from salvation,

That's what the OSAS cult continually claims. These people will say anything to protect their precious false gospel.

I believe the Bible teaches that those who are truly born again will not lose salvation, because Jesus keeps His sheep (John 10:27–28)

John 10:27-28 is dependent upon those who hear and follow the Lord.... in other words, salvation is actually CONDITIONAL upon abiding in Christ. The OSAS peoples don't accept the whole counsel of God therefore they conveniently ignore God's warning about this

They never acknowledge what Jesus said about the Father removing from His Vine those who bare not fruit because they have been falsely taught by their favorite false religious teachers to ignore the teachings of Jesus... and they do so because they belong to a religious cult and are not actual Christians. They just claim to be followers of Jesus as they ignore His teaching and cherry pick the rest of the New Testament.

John 15:1-8
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.


The OSAS cult followers also ignore what the Apostle Paul said about himself... Paul clearly is not teaching OSAS, but those indoctrinated under the OSAS cult teachings cannot understand because they have been turned over to their over devices by the Lord and are reprobate just like the catholics, the JWs, the mormons, the new agers, the moslums, the hairy crishnas, and all other religions that don't teach the Doctrine of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

 

[bdavidc]

The OSAS cult followers also ignore what the Apostle Paul said about himself... Paul clearly is not teaching OSAS, but those indoctrinated under the OSAS cult teachings cannot understand because they have been turned over to their over devices by the Lord and are reprobate just like the catholics, the JWs, the mormons, the new agers, the moslums, the hairy crishnas, and all other religions that don't teach the Doctrine of Christ.

I agree that the teaching of “once saved, always saved” the way the OSAS crowd presents it is deadly error. It gives people false security while they continue in sin, and it leads many souls to hell every single day.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Security can only be found IN CHRIST.
Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one is abiding IN the Ark they are saved.

Sinful behavior is throwing one's self overboard and since they are no longer in the safety of the Ark (abiding IN Christ)... they are not longer on their way to Heaven but are once again on their way to hell.... unless they REPENT, confessing their sin to the Lord and forsaking their sin so they can be cleansed of unrighteousness and once again be back in right standing with the Father (see Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9) just like the prodigal son who was dead while away but alive once again when he returned to the Father. (see Luke 15:24-26)

The smart ones know this and abide IN Christ so they aren't cut off as Jesus told us about in John 15 which is what happens to those that do not abide IN Him.

Those that follow false doctrines that ignore the teachings of Jesus... well, not much hope for them and when they get where they are going, they will regret their false doctrine for all eternity!

 

[Behold]

But here we go-- If I confess a sin or believe that we should obey His commands- I do not understand salvation?

You dont understand that you are "not under the Law, but under Grace"., and that is why you are worried about sin.

A.) The born again, can't be accused or defined by the Law, ever again, because "Christ is the End of the Law, for righteousness".

Its the Law that defines sin, and sinners......so, "where there is no law, there is no sin (Transgression)"".

Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19 tells the born again that God does not Charge them with sin, and that is because God has already charged Jesus with ALL our sin.

We part ways there.
You also part with James there who teaches to confess and you part with Jesus and you part with John. I suppose that's one reason you say you are Paul ONLY.

Ive not said im "Paul only".
I said that Paul teaches all the Church Doctrine, and that is what i teach.

I don't doubt my salvation when I sin- but I am convicted of sin when I do.

1.) "where there is no Law, there is no Sin".

2.) "Christ is the END OF THE LAW, for Righteousness, to every one who believes" (Is born again).

There is no sin found "in Christ"
There is no sin found in God".

Every Chrisitan is 'IN Christ", and '"one with God", and there is no sin found there.

Every Chrisitan is "Seated in Heavenly Places In Christ" and there is no Sin found there.

Every Christian is in the KOG, and there is no Sin found there.

"God hath made Jesus TO BE SIN FOR US">........because "Jesus is the one time Eternal SACRIFICE for Sin".

Christians are "made free from sin"...= forever, by the Blood of Jesus.

I am fully aware of what legalism in all forms looks like. Many churches today that proclaim freedom still say you must believe this eschatology from Scofield or you are not a Christian.

I dont read Scofield.
I have a Real Bible.
I study it.

 

[Soyeong]

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“O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?” (Galatians 3:1). Paul’s words pierce the lies of religion based on human effort. The Galatians had begun in faith but had slipped into adding works to their salvation. We see the same today: men and women trust in Christ, then turn to church ceremonies, traditions, or their own religious performance to try to gain acceptance with God.

Scripture bluntly asks: “Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:2). The answer is clear: none. Not one of them was saved by trying to keep rules and regulations. Not one was forgiven by checking off a list of boxes. Salvation was by hearing the gospel and believing it. Romans 10: 17 is straightforward, “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

Paul adds, “Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?” (Galatians 3:3). To be more direct: if life began in the Spirit through hearing and believing, why would anyone try to be made perfect by fleshly effort? To depend on works after receiving God’s grace is to blaspheme the cross of Christ. Galatians 2: 21 states, “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

Instead, the Word turns us to Abraham: “In the same manner also Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness” (Galatians 3:6). And here’s the truth to which we must cling: “So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham” (Galatians 3:9). It is not those who work the hardest who are God’s children, but those who believe God’s promise.

The world will tell you faith isn’t enough, that you have to add something to Jesus’ finished work. It’s the same old lie Paul called bewitching. But the Word of God is firm: salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Are you living in the glorious freedom of faith in Christ? Or are you still bound by the heavy chains of trying to earn what God freely gives? Don’t be deceived. Don’t exchange the truth of the gospel for a counterfeit. Trust in Christ alone and walk in the blessing that belongs to those who have faith.

It is important to recognize that the Bible can speak against doing something for an incorrect reason without speaking against being required to do it for the correct reasons. The fact that we can’t earn our justification, righteousness, or salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to God does not mean that we are not obligated to obey Him for the correct reasons.

While the only way for someone to attain a character trait is through faith, what it means for someone to attain a character trait is for them to become a doer of that trait. For example, the only way for someone to become courageous is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough courageous works in order earn it as the result, but it would be contradictory for someone to become courageous apart from becoming a doer of courageous works, and the same is true for righteousness and every other character trait. This is why the same faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works also upholds our need to be a doer of righteous works in obedience to God’s law (Romans 3:28-31).

While it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was declared righteous (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he was a doer of righteous works (Genesis 18:19). Moreover, it is also true that Abraham believed God, so he obeyed God’s command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied by being a doer of righteous works but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of his works. Everyone who has faith will be declared righteous and everyone who has faith is a doer of God’s law, which is how Paul can deny in Romans 4:1-5 that we can earn our righteousness as the result of our works while also affirming in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the doers of the law will be declared righteous. Abraham was not declared righteous apart from also being a doer of God’s law (Genesis 26:4-5). We become someone who has faith, someone who will be declared righteous, and someone who is a doer of the law all at the same time and anyone who is not one of those is also not the others.

In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, God graciously making us into a doer of good works is nevertheless a central part of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so doing those works has absolutely nothing to do with trying to earn our salvation as the result, but rather God graciously teaching us to be doers of those works is part of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe the Gospel that Jesus spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God’s law (Acts 21:20). You tried to use Romans 10:17 to support your position, but Romans 10:16 speaks against those who do not obey the Gospel. It is contradictory to trust in God Word made flesh for salvation instead of obediently trusting in God’s Word.

 

[bdavidc]

It is important to recognize that the Bible can speak against doing something for an incorrect reason without speaking against being required to do it for the correct reasons. The fact that we can’t earn our justification, righteousness, or salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to God does not mean that we are not obligated to obey Him for the correct reasons.

While the only way for someone to attain a character trait is through faith, what it means for someone to attain a character trait is for them to become a doer of that trait. For example, the only way for someone to become courageous is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough courageous works in order earn it as the result, but it would be contradictory for someone to become courageous apart from becoming a doer of courageous works, and the same is true for righteousness and every other character trait. This is why the same faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works also upholds our need to be a doer of righteous works in obedience to God’s law (Romans 3:28-31).

While it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was declared righteous (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he was a doer of righteous works (Genesis 18:19). Moreover, it is also true that Abraham believed God, so he obeyed God’s command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied by being a doer of righteous works but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of his works. Everyone who has faith will be declared righteous and everyone who has faith is a doer of God’s law, which is how Paul can deny in Romans 4:1-5 that we can earn our righteousness as the result of our works while also affirming in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the doers of the law will be declared righteous. Abraham was not declared righteous apart from also being a doer of God’s law (Genesis 26:4-5). We become someone who has faith, someone who will be declared righteous, and someone who is a doer of the law all at the same time and anyone who is not one of those is also not the others.

In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, God graciously making us into a doer of good works is nevertheless a central part of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so doing those works has absolutely nothing to do with trying to earn our salvation as the result, but rather God graciously teaching us to be doers of those works is part of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe the Gospel that Jesus spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God’s law (Acts 21:20). You tried to use Romans 10:17 to support your position, but Romans 10:16 speaks against those who do not obey the Gospel. It is contradictory to trust in God Word made flesh for salvation instead of obediently trusting in God’s Word.

Paul’s clear teaching, in line with the rest of the Bible, is that justification is by faith apart from works of the law. “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Rom. 3:28). “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast” (Eph. 2:8-9). Abraham “believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness” (Gen. 15: 6) before the law had been given (Gal. 3:17). His later obedience (e.g. offering up Isaac) demonstrated that his faith was genuine (Heb. 11:17), but did not make him righteous. Romans 2: 13 is not teaching justification by law-keeping because Paul immediately says, “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Rom. 3: 10) and “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” (Rom. 3:20). The whole point of the chapter is that no one keeps the law perfectly so that we need Christ. This mixing of law and grace destroys the gospel, and that is why Paul said, “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Gal. 2:21). The truth is simple: we are saved by faith in Christ alone, and works are the fruit that comes from that salvation (James 2:18; Eph. 2:10).

 

[Soyeong]

Paul’s clear teaching, in line with the rest of the Bible, is that justification is by faith apart from works of the law. “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Rom. 3:28). “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast” (Eph. 2:8-9). Abraham “believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness” (Gen. 15: 6) before the law had been given (Gal. 3:17). His later obedience (e.g. offering up Isaac) demonstrated that his faith was genuine (Heb. 11:17), but did not make him righteous. Romans 2: 13 is not teaching justification by law-keeping because Paul immediately says, “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Rom. 3: 10) and “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” (Rom. 3:20). The whole point of the chapter is that no one keeps the law perfectly so that we need Christ. This mixing of law and grace destroys the gospel, and that is why Paul said, “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Gal. 2:21). The truth is simple: we are saved by faith in Christ alone, and works are the fruit that comes from that salvation (James 2:18; Eph. 2:10).

Being declared righteous apart from works refer to be declared righteous apart from being required to have first done any works in order to earn it as the result, but does not refer to becoming righteous apart from becoming a doer of righteous works. Paul said that the same faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works does not abolish our need to be a doer of righteous works in obedience to God's law, bu other our faith upholds it (Romans 3:28:31).

Again, In Ephesians 2:8-10, Paul said that we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while he denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, God graciously making us into a doer of good works is nevertheless still a central part of His gift of salvation.

Again, while is is true that Abraham believed God, so he was declared righteous (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied by being an obeyer of God, but he did not earn his righteousness and the result of his obedience. Abraham was a doer of righteous works in obedience to God's law (Genesis 18:19), so it is false that he was declared righteous before the law was given. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply Abraham's children as the stars in the heavens, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth shall be blessed because he heard God's voice and guarded His charge, commandments, salutes, and laws. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which is in accordance with Jesus being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the. promise (Galatians 3:8), which he spread to those in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5).

In Romans 4:1-5, Paul denied that we can earn our righteousness as the result of our works, so Romans 2:13 is not speaking about earning our righteousness as the result of our works, but rather being a doer of the law is something that everyone who will be declared righteous has in common, which is why only the doers of the law will be declared righteous. There are many examples of people who are described as being righteous in the Bible, such as Noah (Genesis 6:8-9) and Zechariah and Elizabeth (Luke 1:5-6), so it is false that no one is righteous, rather Romans 3:10 is quoting from Psalms 14:1-3, which says that no one is righteous among those who say that there is no God. Even if someone managed to live in perfect obedience to God's law, then they still wouldn't earn their righteousness as a wage (Romans 4:1-5), so the reason why we can't earn our righteousness is as the result of obeying God's law is not because we fall short of perfect obedience but because it was never given as a way of earning righteousness in the first place - that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law. God's law describes the life of someone who is righteous as it describes the life of Christ, but it was never given as a way to become righteous.

The Bible repeatedly states that God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law, so I'm not mixing grace with law and there is nothing about God being gracious us that destroys the Gospel, though hit might be destroying your misconception of the Gospel. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone. In Titus 2:11-13, it does not state that we are saved first and then we will do those works as the fruit that comes from that salvation, but rather it describes our gift of salvation as being trained by grace to do those works.

 

[Jack]

"Breaking Free From Fake Religion"

God's House if FILTHY, filled with doctrines of demons. Satan has been busy. Humans sit in churches thinking that will save them. MOST don't have a clue what the Bible says!

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

Blood is gonna FLOW! God is going to CLEAN His House!

 

[bdavidc]

Being declared righteous apart from works refer to be declared righteous apart from being required to have first done any works in order to earn it as the result, but does not refer to becoming righteous apart from becoming a doer of righteous works. Paul said that the same faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works does not abolish our need to be a doer of righteous works in obedience to God's law, bu other our faith upholds it (Romans 3:28:31).

Again, In Ephesians 2:8-10, Paul said that we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while he denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, God graciously making us into a doer of good works is nevertheless still a central part of His gift of salvation.

Again, while is is true that Abraham believed God, so he was declared righteous (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied by being an obeyer of God, but he did not earn his righteousness and the result of his obedience. Abraham was a doer of righteous works in obedience to God's law (Genesis 18:19), so it is false that he was declared righteous before the law was given. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply Abraham's children as the stars in the heavens, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth shall be blessed because he heard God's voice and guarded His charge, commandments, salutes, and laws. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which is in accordance with Jesus being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the. promise (Galatians 3:8), which he spread to those in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5).

In Romans 4:1-5, Paul denied that we can earn our righteousness as the result of our works, so Romans 2:13 is not speaking about earning our righteousness as the result of our works, but rather being a doer of the law is something that everyone who will be declared righteous has in common, which is why only the doers of the law will be declared righteous. There are many examples of people who are described as being righteous in the Bible, such as Noah (Genesis 6:8-9) and Zechariah and Elizabeth (Luke 1:5-6), so it is false that no one is righteous, rather Romans 3:10 is quoting from Psalms 14:1-3, which says that no one is righteous among those who say that there is no God. Even if someone managed to live in perfect obedience to God's law, then they still wouldn't earn their righteousness as a wage (Romans 4:1-5), so the reason why we can't earn our righteousness is as the result of obeying God's law is not because we fall short of perfect obedience but because it was never given as a way of earning righteousness in the first place - that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law. God's law describes the life of someone who is righteous as it describes the life of Christ, but it was never given as a way to become righteous.

The Bible repeatedly states that God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law, so I'm not mixing grace with law and there is nothing about God being gracious us that destroys the Gospel, though hit might be destroying your misconception of the Gospel. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone. In Titus 2:11-13, it does not state that we are saved first and then we will do those works as the fruit that comes from that salvation, but rather it describes our gift of salvation as being trained by grace to do those works.

You are adding to what the text actually says. Paul could not be clearer: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5). That is justification apart from works. Abraham was declared righteous before he offered Isaac (Genesis 15:6; Galatians 3:6–17). His obedience later proved his faith was real, but it did not make him righteous. Scripture itself says, “If it be of works, then is it no more grace” (Romans 11:6).

You argue that Romans 2: 13 means only doers of the law are declared righteous. But Paul immediately explains that “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” (Romans 3:20). The whole point is that no one has perfectly kept the law, “there is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10). To say otherwise directly contradicts what is written.

Good works matter, but they flow from salvation, not into it. Ephesians 2: 8–10 is plain: salvation is “by grace… through faith… not of works,” but once saved, we are “created in Christ Jesus unto good works.” Works show faith, they never cause justification (James 2:18).

Grace is not God teaching us how to keep law in order to become righteous. Grace is God saving sinners who cannot keep the law. “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth” (Romans 10:4). Twisting grace into law-keeping is exactly what Paul warned against: “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Galatians 2:21).

 

[Soyeong]

You are adding to what the text actually says. Paul could not be clearer: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5). That is justification apart from works. Abraham was declared righteous before he offered Isaac (Genesis 15:6; Galatians 3:6–17). His obedience later proved his faith was real, but it did not make him righteous. Scripture itself says, “If it be of works, then is it no more grace” (Romans 11:6).

You argue that Romans 2: 13 means only doers of the law are declared righteous. But Paul immediately explains that “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” (Romans 3:20). The whole point is that no one has perfectly kept the law, “there is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10). To say otherwise directly contradicts what is written.

Good works matter, but they flow from salvation, not into it. Ephesians 2: 8–10 is plain: salvation is “by grace… through faith… not of works,” but once saved, we are “created in Christ Jesus unto good works.” Works show faith, they never cause justification (James 2:18).

Grace is not God teaching us how to keep law in order to become righteous. Grace is God saving sinners who cannot keep the law. “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth” (Romans 10:4). Twisting grace into law-keeping is exactly what Paul warned against: “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Galatians 2:21).

The issue of the way that someone attain a character trait is different from the issue of what it means for someone to have a character trait. Character traits are not something that can be earned as the result of our works, so there is no amount of works that we are required to have done first in order to attain them, but rather the only way for someone to attain a character trait is through faith apart from those works, however, what it means for someone to have a character trait is for them to be a doer of that trait. For example, to say that God is righteous means that He is a doer of righteous works, it would be meaningless to say that God is righteous if He were not, and the same is true for us. The purpose of doing righteous works is not to become righteous, so I am in complete agreement with the verses that you’ve quoted that speak against earning our righteousness as the result of our works.

In Romans 4:1-5, type of works that we are declared righteous apart from are those done in order to earn a wage. Works can be done for a variety of reasons, so it is important to recognize that the Bible can speak against doing works for incorrect reasons without speaking against being required to do them for the reasons that God commanded them. For example, grace is a gift and gifts can’t be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as they are done to earn a wage (Romans 11:6), however, works can done for other reasons that are compatible with grace, which is why the Bible also describes our salvation as being trained by grace to do them (Psalms 119:29-30), Titus 2:11-13, Exodus 33:13).

For example, the content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something such as with giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it. Similarly, God’s gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and God’s law was graciously given as a gift in order to teach us how to have that experience, but was not given as a way to earn eternal life as a wage. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to graciously teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life. Moreover, the reason why our entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to be workers of lawfulness is not in order to earn it as the result but because that is the way to know Jesus. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments and something that we inherit is a gift.

Paul saying that only the doer of the law will be justified is not say that we become justified as the result of our obedience, but rather being a doer of the law is something that everyone who will be justified has in common. The same faith by which we are justified is also embodied by being a doer of the law, but we do not earn our justification as the result of our obedience. Someone couldn’t earn their righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to God’s law (Romans 4:1-5), so the reason why we can’t earn our righteousness as the result of our obedience but because it was never given as a way of earning our righteousness in the first place - that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law.

In Romans 9:30-10:4, they had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as though righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as though righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God’s law is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life and a blessing, in regard to what we are committing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead for salvation, so nothing in this passage has anything to do ending God’s law, but just the opposite. It doesn’t even make sense to think that God’s Word made flesh ended God’s Word, but rather knowing Him is the goal of God’s Word.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You dont understand that you are "not under the Law, but under Grace"., and that is why you are worried about sin.

So we can go ahead and live in sin and it's all good right?

 

[bdavidc]

The issue of the way that someone attain a character trait is different from the issue of what it means for someone to have a character trait. Character traits are not something that can be earned as the result of our works, so there is no amount of works that we are required to have done first in order to attain them, but rather the only way for someone to attain a character trait is through faith apart from those works, however, what it means for someone to have a character trait is for them to be a doer of that trait. For example, to say that God is righteous means that He is a doer of righteous works, it would be meaningless to say that God is righteous if He were not, and the same is true for us. The purpose of doing righteous works is not to become righteous, so I am in complete agreement with the verses that you’ve quoted that speak against earning our righteousness as the result of our works.

In Romans 4:1-5, type of works that we are declared righteous apart from are those done in order to earn a wage. Works can be done for a variety of reasons, so it is important to recognize that the Bible can speak against doing works for incorrect reasons without speaking against being required to do them for the reasons that God commanded them. For example, grace is a gift and gifts can’t be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as they are done to earn a wage (Romans 11:6), however, works can done for other reasons that are compatible with grace, which is why the Bible also describes our salvation as being trained by grace to do them (Psalms 119:29-30), Titus 2:11-13, Exodus 33:13).

For example, the content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something such as with giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it. Similarly, God’s gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and God’s law was graciously given as a gift in order to teach us how to have that experience, but was not given as a way to earn eternal life as a wage. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to graciously teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life. Moreover, the reason why our entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to be workers of lawfulness is not in order to earn it as the result but because that is the way to know Jesus. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments and something that we inherit is a gift.

Paul saying that only the doer of the law will be justified is not say that we become justified as the result of our obedience, but rather being a doer of the law is something that everyone who will be justified has in common. The same faith by which we are justified is also embodied by being a doer of the law, but we do not earn our justification as the result of our obedience. Someone couldn’t earn their righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to God’s law (Romans 4:1-5), so the reason why we can’t earn our righteousness as the result of our obedience but because it was never given as a way of earning our righteousness in the first place - that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law.

In Romans 9:30-10:4, they had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as though righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as though righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God’s law is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life and a blessing, in regard to what we are committing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead for salvation, so nothing in this passage has anything to do ending God’s law, but just the opposite. It doesn’t even make sense to think that God’s Word made flesh ended God’s Word, but rather knowing Him is the goal of God’s Word.

Romans states it plainly: righteousness comes apart from works, by faith. “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith shall be counted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5). Abraham was considered righteous when he believed God (Genesis 15: 6; Galatians 3:6), before he offered Isaac on the altar. His later obedience was proof that his faith was not in vain, but did not make him righteous. Paul said it this way: “If it be of works, then is it no more grace” (Romans 11:6). To say that we must be righteous by doing the law is against Paul’s clear statement that “by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight” (Romans 3: 20), for “there is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10).

Ephesians 2: 8–10 keeps it in order: we are saved by grace, through faith, not of works, but after we are saved we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works. Works result from salvation, they do not cause it. James 2 confirms this by showing that true faith will always result in action, but action will never cause justification. Grace is not God giving us the law as a way to earn life, but God saving sinners who could not keep the law. Titus 2: 11–12 shows that grace trains us to live godly lives, but this comes after we are saved, not as a condition for it. Christ is “the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth” (Romans 10:4). To make law-keeping the way to righteousness is to turn away from the gospel, for “if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” (Galatians 2:21). Eternal life is to know God through Christ (John 17: 3), and those who know Him will obey, not to earn righteousness, but because they have been made righteous by faith.

 

[Behold]

So we can go ahead and live in sin and it's all good right?

You can live in sin, @Dan Clarkston , if that is your free will, decision.
However if you decide to do this, and if you are actually born again, then God is going to put Hebrews 12:6 on you, and its going to hurt.
So, its best that you dont live in sin......is my advice.

Others, who are actual students of the word of God, ... and love The Lord, will use this following verse by Paul, as their daily discipleship as they pursue excellence for God as well as total submission to His will.....which is what i earnestly desire.
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English Standard Version
I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

Berean Standard Bible
Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore I exhort you, brothers, through the compassions of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy to God, well-pleasing, which is your reasonable service.

King James Bible
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

New King James Version
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

NASB 1995
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

NASB 1977
I urge you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

Legacy Standard Bible
Therefore I exhort you, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a sacrifice—living, holy, and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

Amplified Bible
Therefore I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies [dedicating all of yourselves, set apart] as a living sacrifice, holy and well-pleasing to God, which is your rational (logical, intelligent) act of worship.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You can live in sin, @Dan Clarkston , if that is your free will, decision.
However if you decide to do this, and if you are actually born again, then God is going to put Hebrews 12:6 on you, and its going to hurt.
So, its best that you dont live in sin......is my advice.

But what you are saying is that IF I were to decide to live in sin.... I'd still go to Heaven right?

 

[Behold]

But what you are saying is that IF I were to decide to live in sin.... I'd still go to Heaven right?

Only if you are born again.
See, you can't stop being born again.
Your behavior can't change (end) a spiritual birth.

Paul teaches that if you decided to live in sin........to stay there, then you'll " die".

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Only if you are born again.
See, you can't stop being born again.
Your behavior can't change (end) a spiritual birth.

Paul teaches that if you decided to live in sin........to stay there, then you'll " die".

There you have it folks.... the so called "security in sin" fake gospel.

They claim one can live in sin and still be saved and go to Heaven.

They claim Jesus is the minister of sin and He accept those that trample the Blood of Christ as though it were an unholy thing.

And, hilariously they claim if one continually lives in sin.... God will reward them by taking them to Heaven early!

This is doctrines of demons and their father the devil loves it so!

 

[Behold]

There you have it folks.... the so called "security in sin" fake gospel.

You can't stop being born again., but you can "fall from Grace", and become a "Castaway" and end up dying early.
So, its best not to decide to live in carnality, if you are born again.

They claim one can live in sin and still be saved and go to Heaven.

If you are born again, then you have Eternal life, and are already "seated in heavenly places, in Christ".

This is not initially caused by behavior, and it can't be ended by behavior.

You dont understand this @Dan Clarkston , because you're not a real bible student.
You are not a OSAS fanatic, who needs to talk about it to feel that you have some value on the Forum.

They claim Jesus is the minister of sin

Jesus is not the ""minister of sin"........He's the eternal sacrifice for sin.

Didnt you know?

LOOK......>"Jesus is the ONE TIME>........ETERNAL.......Sacrifice for sin"....

Now...You confess sin, because you are trying to keep yourself saved., instead of Trusting in Christ as your Salvation. @Dan Clarkston

And, hilariously they claim if one continually lives in sin.... God will reward them by taking them to Heaven early!

Paul teaches that if you live in willful sin, and are born again, = you will "die".
So, that is not """hilarious""", that is tragic.

This is doctrines of demons and their father the devil loves it so!

You can't "live in sin" and be born again......because you will die......(Paul teaches).
The Devil teaches that you are supposed to try to stay saved by doing works, keep commandments, and trying to be good.
As you know @Dan Clarkston