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In and through His glorious resurrection we are raised with Him in salvation. We have our "part" in that as it says in Rev 20.

That thousand years doesn't start until Christ comes.After the tribulation when the saints are murdered for their testimony of Jesus.
 
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In and through His glorious resurrection we are raised with Him in salvation. We have our "part" in that as it says in Rev 20.
And no,I don't know if you will be murdered for your testimony of Jesus or not.
I don't even know if I will seeing in don't live in the beasts kingdom.
 

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Real like a day being a thousand years to the Lord?

No ,it's very literal.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


But the ignorant won't except knowledge.
You continue to take scripture out of context. That verse relates directly to the verse that follows it.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

In 2 Peter 3:3-4 it talks about scoffers in the last days mockingly asking where is the promise of Christ's second coming because they think He surely would have already come if He was coming again. But, Peter explains that the Lord is not being slow to fulfill the promise of His second coming as some people think. From the human perspective it's been a long time for Him to come. Almost 2,000 years now. But, from His perspective, time is not an issue. He exists outside of time because He created time.

What 2 Peter 3:8 means is not that a day is equivalent to a thousand years to the Lord, as you falsely imagine. It means that no amount of time makes any difference to Him, whether it's a day, a thousand years, five thousand years, or any amount of time. It says a day is AS a thousand years, and a thousand years AS one day to the Lord. It doesn't say a day IS a thousand years and a thousand years IS a day to the Lord, as you imagine. Peter is showing that a day and a thousand years are no different to the Lord because He is eternal and exists outside of time.
 

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You continue to take scripture out of context. That verse relates directly to the verse that follows it.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

In 2 Peter 3:3-4 it talks about scoffers in the last days mockingly asking where is the promise of Christ's second coming because they think He surely would have already come if He was coming again. But, Peter explains that the Lord is not being slow to fulfill the promise of His second coming as some people think. From the human perspective it's been a long time for Him to come. Almost 2,000 years now. But, from His perspective, time is not an issue. He exists outside of time because He created time.

What 2 Peter 3:8 means is not that a day is equivalent to a thousand years to the Lord, as you falsely imagine, it means that no amount of time makes any difference to Him, whether it's a day, a thousand years, five thousand years, or any amount of time. It says a day is AS a thousand years, and a thousand years AS one day to the Lord. It doesn't say a day IS a thousand years and a thousand years IS a day to the Lord, as you imagine. Peter is showing that a day and a thousand years are no different to the Lord because He is eternal and exists outside of time.

I'm not taking it out of context.

I don't have to give an interpretation of it as you do.I except peters words just as they are.

Your the one who cant stop changing the words in the Bible to suit your view.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


Peter knew Jesus would not return for another two thousand years.
Same as Barnabas.


They were not ignorant of the Lords promise.
 

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lol is not mocking you my Brother = it is a common expression when we disagree
You posted "lol x 100000" or something similar in response to something I said that was very reasonable whether you agree with it or not.

i do not condemn anyone for taking a Amil position on Revelation
Stewardofthemystery does. Since you are a Premil like him then maybe you can try to encourage him to stop that kind of evil behavior, but he won't listen to us.

The 'holier than thou' is not approved by any of us and we must be careful not to get defensive to the point of name calling.
I'm quite aware of this.

What is IMPORTANT is that each of us submit to "It is written."

When we do, all things will work together for our Good as we submit to the Word, the Holy Spirit and one another in CHRIST.
That will not guarantee that we will all agree, though, of course. But, yes, it would be nice if we could just stick to discussing scripture and leave the insults out of it.
 
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I'm not taking it out of context.

I don't have to give an interpretation of it as you do.I except peters words just as they are.
LOL. A typical response of someone who denies that spiritual discernment is required to understand scripture despite Paul saying exactly that in 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. Do you deny that the Lord created time and exists outside of it? Do you understand that if time affects Him, but just in a different way than us, then it would mean He is not God and instead is contained within God's creation and within the realm of time and space that God created? How can you think that any amount of time makes any difference to the Lord from His perspective as the God who created time?

Your the one who cant stop changing the words in the Bible to suit your view.
Your lies add nothing of value to the discussion. I guess the beast with seven heads and ten horns is a literal beast with seven literal heads and ten literal horns in your mind since we are not allowed to interpret the Bible and must take it all literally.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


Peter knew Jesus would not return for another two thousand years.
Same as Barnabas.


They were not ignorant of the Lords promise.
LOL. Where do you get that from that verse? That's quite a stretch, to say the least.
 

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I'm not taking it out of context.

I don't have to give an interpretation of it as you do.I except peters words just as they are.

Your the one who cant stop changing the words in the Bible to suit your view.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


Peter knew Jesus would not return for another two thousand years.
Same as Barnabas.


They were not ignorant of the Lords promise.
No you do not. You twist his words. You cannot even answer simple questions. That is because it exposes your error.

2 Peter 3:3-13 couldn't be clearer: “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

Peter is directly responding to the wicked in this narrative. That is the context here. He is directly responding to the derision of "the last days scoffers." His whole writing here is a solemn warning to them of the folly of their mocking. Like Christ and the other New Testament writers, Peter points these fools to Noah day where God rescued His people in total and suddenly before He destroyed the wicked in total and suddenly.

What is the derision of the wicked? This: "Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

Peter responds directly: "beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise." He first addresses the apparent delay by telling them that time is nothing with God - "be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." He then reminds them that "the Lord is not slack concerning his promise." He is indeed faithful. He keeps His Word.

“The Lord is not slack concerning” what “promise”?

The “promise” under discussion in the narrative – “the promise of his coming.” God will assuredly keep His Word.
 
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No you do not. You twist his words. You cannot even answer simple questions. That is because it exposes your error.

2 Peter 3:3-13 couldn't be clearer: “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

Peter is directly responding to the wicked in this narrative. That is the context here. He is directly responding to the derision of "the last days scoffers." His whole writing here is a solemn warning to them of the folly of their mocking. Like Christ and the other New Testament writers, Peter points these fools to Noah day where God rescued His people in total and suddenly before He destroyed the wicked in total and suddenly.

What is the derision of the wicked? This: "Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

Peter responds directly: "beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise." He first addresses the apparent delay by telling them that time is nothing with God - "be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." He then reminds them that "the Lord is not slack concerning his promise." He is indeed faithful. He keeps His Word.

“The Lord is not slack concerning” what “promise”?

The “promise” under discussion in the narrative – “the promise of his coming.” God will assuredly keep His Word.
Then there are those who prefer to be ignorant and take no instruction from.peter.


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.




No,you don't have a clue as to when the Lord keeps his promise.
You just say when?when?when?
 

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No you do not. You twist his words. You cannot even answer simple questions. That is because it exposes your error.

2 Peter 3:3-13 couldn't be clearer: “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

Peter is directly responding to the wicked in this narrative. That is the context here. He is directly responding to the derision of "the last days scoffers." His whole writing here is a solemn warning to them of the folly of their mocking. Like Christ and the other New Testament writers, Peter points these fools to Noah day where God rescued His people in total and suddenly before He destroyed the wicked in total and suddenly.

What is the derision of the wicked? This: "Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

Peter responds directly: "beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise." He first addresses the apparent delay by telling them that time is nothing with God - "be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." He then reminds them that "the Lord is not slack concerning his promise." He is indeed faithful. He keeps His Word.

“The Lord is not slack concerning” what “promise”?

The “promise” under discussion in the narrative – “the promise of his coming.” God will assuredly keep His Word.
And you say Jesus had to wait till he raised himself up before he would know if he would go on to know the Lord.


Ridiculous

Hosea 6
6 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth
 

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No you do not. You twist his words. You cannot even answer simple questions. That is because it exposes your error.

2 Peter 3:3-13 couldn't be clearer: “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

Peter is directly responding to the wicked in this narrative. That is the context here. He is directly responding to the derision of "the last days scoffers." His whole writing here is a solemn warning to them of the folly of their mocking. Like Christ and the other New Testament writers, Peter points these fools to Noah day where God rescued His people in total and suddenly before He destroyed the wicked in total and suddenly.

What is the derision of the wicked? This: "Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

Peter responds directly: "beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise." He first addresses the apparent delay by telling them that time is nothing with God - "be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." He then reminds them that "the Lord is not slack concerning his promise." He is indeed faithful. He keeps His Word.

“The Lord is not slack concerning” what “promise”?

The “promise” under discussion in the narrative – “the promise of his coming.” God will assuredly keep His Word.
You wouldn't have to ask everyone where is the promise of his coming if you actually paid attention to the people who tell you when Jesus comes.


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


But you prefer to be ignorant of when he comes.
 

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And you say Jesus had to wait till he raised himself up before he would know if he would go on to know the Lord.


Ridiculous

Hosea 6
6 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth
More avoidance! You have to! To embrace the truth of Scripture would demolish Premil.
 

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You wouldn't have to ask everyone where is the promise of his coming if you actually paid attention to the people who tell you when Jesus comes.


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


But you prefer to be ignorant of when he comes.
The Book is the enemy of your doctrine.
 

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More avoidance! You have to! To embrace the truth of Scripture would demolish Premil.
Jesus openly taught when he would complete his work.


Luke 13:32
He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’



You haven't been healed have you?
 

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You haven't been healed have you?
More lies. More false accusation. More insults. More ad hominem.

Avoidance and name-calling is all Pretrib and Premill has.
 
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The Book is the enemy of your doctrine.
You haven't been healed have you.

6 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
 

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More lies. More false accusation. More insults. More ad hominem.

Avoidance and name-calling is all Pretrib and Premill has.
Perfect

Luke 13:32
He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’


He still healing people.
 

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8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It doesn't say 1 day = 1,000 years. It says one day is "like" (this is just contextually refuting the folly of the mockers scoffing re the apparent delay in Christ’s coming). We are looking at a simile. It is a generality. It is just saying time is nothing with God. That is it!

It is very simple: Peter makes clear that there is absolutely no uncertainty over the realization of the Lord’s “promise” to return. He affirms: “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise.” Essentially God will assuredly keep His Word. Peter also reminds us that time is nothing with God (“beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”). 2,000 years might be long to us, but they are but a blink to God. This is an important truth that many tend to forget. Peter then reminds the ignorant of one of the character traits of God toward man: He “is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

The focus of this message is speaking about the sudden and unexpected destruction that the end-time-cynics experience upon Christ’s appearing. The teaching explains how these fools deny Christ, despise His Word and scorn the likelihood of His return. The near 2,000 years that have already elapsed since our Lord’s first Advent is used as a basis for their mocking. They use this supposed delay as an opportunity to propagate their foolishness. 2 Peter 3 makes clear, those that would consider this as an opportunity for scorn will be swiftly and assuredly caught in their only folly at His coming. Like the wicked locked outside the ark and the iniquitous left behind in Sodom, the end-time scoffers will be punished for their scoffing. These evildoers will be exposed when Christ returns and pours out His wrath upon them.

The day of wrath comes with Christ’s appearing, the day when the rebellion of man will finally be brought to an end. Those that have despised God’s great offer of mercy in life will then face the awful consequence for their error. They have only succeeded in accumulating wrath “against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God.” Christ comes to judge the righteous and the wicked, the living and the dead at His appearing. The day of opportunity is finally over.