Can a person be a Christ-follower without falling in lock-step with the institutional church?

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RLT63

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With the right questions, that could work.

All the answers on this topic were loaded.
But amazingly, topic respondents carried on as if they were none the wiser. - LOL

What makes a doctrine false?
Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.
1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)
2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)
3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)
4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)
5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

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I have learned that people interpret the Bible differently and just because I was taught something and always read material that backed it up doesn't necessarily make it correct or the only way to interpret it.
 

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What does institutionalized church have that home church doesn't have?
There are lots of advantages to having your own building all set up and ready to go.
We once had a satellite church that was contained in a trailer. It met in a local school.
We had to arrive early and empty the trailer, set it all up and then have a service.
Then it had to be all torn down and put back in the trailer at the end of the day.

A home church wouldn't even have that many amenities. Especially for families with children.
If you want to meet with a few a friends your age at home, that's fine.
But you can't attract families without a proper facility.

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I have learned that people interpret the Bible differently and just because I was taught something and always read material that backed it up doesn't necessarily make it correct or the only way to interpret it.
I agree.
But what do we see on the forum usually?
People arguing that their interpretation is the only correct one.
Even to the point of claiming that your opinion isn't biblical,
simply because they disagree with it.

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Old topic:


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I agree.
But what do we see on the forum usually?
People arguing that their interpretation is the only correct one.
Even to the point of claiming that your opinion isn't biblical,
simply because they disagree with it.

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Just fell on this.
OF COURSE some "opinions" are not biblical!!!

We cannot all be right.
 
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Hello to the reader,

I’ve gotten in trouble before in church by the main man who ran it. I’ve also stood up in a church when a pastor says the more you talk about Jesus Christ the more people want to know about him; in objection saying it also makes people want to run away from you: I got up and walked out.

Church typically has rules and regulations sometimes they got member signups, and if you are a person who thinks sometimes when you do go the way they want you to; they exclude you.

I’m not saying church is always a bad thing; but it doesn’t offer spiritual freedom and liberty in Jesus; as much as one may think.
 

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I don't think @St. SteVen needs me for any new and good ideas for theads.

However,

I will be expecting a gift in return.
:woohoo!:
Here you go. This is for you.


[ cc: @Lambano
 
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Hello to the reader,

I’ve gotten in trouble before in church by the main man who ran it. I’ve also stood up in a church when a pastor says the more you talk about Jesus Christ the more people want to know about him; in objection saying it also makes people want to run away from you: I got up and walked out.

Church typically has rules and regulations sometimes they got member signups, and if you are a person who thinks sometimes when you do go the way they want you to; they exclude you.

I’m not saying church is always a bad thing; but it doesn’t offer spiritual freedom and liberty in Jesus; as much as one may think.
You're a brave man MatthewG.

I keep my disagreements to myself.
OR
You'll end up not having ANY church to go to!
 

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Here you go. This is for you.


[ cc: @Lambano
Haven't looked at it yet...
BUT
Are you toast should be removed.
Because someone is not Christian does not mean they're toast.
Because they got some doctrine which could be considered heresy, does not mean they're toast.

But it's a good sub-title to get people to buy your book!
 

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That also deserves a serious answer.

It took 300 years to get from "the Son of God" (and that took a divine revelation to Peter) to working out a reasonably coherent (and THAT's highly debatable) Nicene theology. I don't think they had it all worked out themselves, but they probably didn't think they were following your garden-variety prophet either.

That's why I'm willing to cut others some slack.
The problem, Lambano, is that it was believed from the beginning that Jesus was God.
This was proclaimed both in the NT and also by those taught by the Apostles.

What was worked on is HOW to explain this.
Basically it HAD to come about as a response to the arians which were a heretical group.

This is the only way we can know what is heretical....
if the church does not agree with the doctrine.

Take reformed theology.
Why is it heretical?
Because it not only is not in the NT,,,,
but
the Early Fathers also did not believe God predestined anything.
It wasn't until the 5th century that Augustine brought this teaching along with his gnostic beliefs into the CC.

So, this would be a heretical teaching.

Ditto for the Trinity.
 

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I agree.
But what do we see on the forum usually?
People arguing that their interpretation is the only correct one.
Even to the point of claiming that your opinion isn't biblical,
simply because they disagree with it.

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Well there are some things that are not open to debate, some truths that have to be defended.
Many times when people disagree what they believe is not all that different from the beliefs of the one they are arguing with though
 
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On a more serious note, I'm surprised you had so many saying, "A FOLLOWER OF JESUS". I spent over 10 years on a forum sponsored by a Reformed ministry, and I saw a lot of what Rebuilder-something-or-other called "two gospel theology", which is really more about Pauline doctrinal belief than about denying yourself, taking up your cross, and following Jesus.
I've heard of this.
Some believe that Paul taught something other than what Jesus taught.
Jesus is too legalistic to these people....
Paul is all grace.
Of course this is not true and I went through each of Paul's books on one thread to show that he and Jesus agreed FULLY....
how else could it be??
And if I had to choose....
I would choose Paul?
And I'd be able to trust the NT? (which the Holy Spirit is supposed to have gathered from many writings).
 

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Well there are some things that are not open to debate, some truths that have to be defended.
Many times when people disagree what they believe is not all that different from the beliefs of the one they are arguing with though
Some things are not open to debate....

OK!
 

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Hello @GodsGrace

From what I’ve learned it’s faith in Yahavah that makes a person right with God. A church while people may attend is only a in-between where faith is a direct connection.
 

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I think there's a term for that, when someone is a Christ follower but is not in lock step with the institutionalized church.

Oh yeah, I remember.

It's called Relationship.
That's nice MA....

but here's the problem....
IF I remember right, and I think I do...

Jesus did NOT say that we're supposed to have a relationship...
He seems to have laid out some stuff we're supposed to follow.

Now...I KNOW what you're talking about...
maybe, in my old age, I'm just getting tired of hearing this stuff without knowing what the person REALLY means.

I USED to think I knew...
until I came to these forums and realized I did NOT know what persons meant by having a relationship.
 
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Hello @GodsGrace

From what I’ve learned it’s faith in Yahavah that makes a person right with God. A church while people may attend is only a in-between where faith is a direct connection.
OK
Agreed on this:

Religion vs Faith.

Religion is a bunch of things you DO
Faith is a connection between you and God...some call this a relationship.

I agree with relationship if it could be defined - as I know not everyone understands it the same way.

Here's my definiton:
Belief and obedience to God.