Can God be insulted?
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mailmandan
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I heard it is happening in California as well.
I suppose the ironic thing is that tax dollars are paying for this.
Some of which was paid by black people.
'For the name of God
is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you,
as it is written.'
(Rom. 2:24 )
'And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another,
tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:32)
Hello @St. SteVen ,
We know that it is possible to grieve God, for we are told not to greave Him in Ephesians 4:32 (above). 'And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.'The verse also shows us what behaviors can cause Him grief, Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:' Instead, we are to reflect the love of Christ by the following:-, 'And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
The Lord Jesus Christ manifested the character of God: so we know by His behaviour, His reactions, How God would react in any given circumstance.
'The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.'
(Psa.103:8 )
I would like to consider this further now, but can't unfortunately. There is so much that could be sought out, from Scripture, to answer your questions.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified,
Saviour, Lord and Head,
The topic question is:
Can God be insulted?
- Is God intimidated by human behavior?- Does God view us as children and react appropriately?
- Is God emotionally stable?
More info in the OP.
Wick Stick
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Hello @St. SteVen,
Question 1: -
Oh no:- ' Be not deceived, God is not mocked,
whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.
'For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;
but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.'
(Gal 6:7-8)
Question 2:-
* He does chasten us, and it is always appropriate, for we are His children.
'And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,
My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when thou art rebuked of Him:
For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons;
for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers,
then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure;
but He for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous:
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness
unto them which are exercised thereby.'
(Heb 12:5-11)
* The 3rd Question you ask is inappropriate.
* Looking at the story of Manoah, Samson's father, and the appearance of the angel to his wife, who was barren. telling her that she would conceive, and give birth to a son, causes me to consider the provision of the Lord, and how He is able to prepare in advance for the deliverance of Israel, because of His foreknowledge. They had been delivered by God into the hands of the Philistines, for forty years, which is the number of probation, and it was drawing to a close, and Samson was to precipitate the beginning of that deliverance, not all, as the Angel of the Lord said in (Judges 13:5), but the beginning. God knew what was ahead, every detail was known to Him. How great is our God!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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'Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
(Mat 12:31-32)
Hello again, @St. SteVen ,
* Yes, God can be insulted. The Pharisees in our Lord's day insulted Him, for they attributed His words and works to Beelzebub, the prince of demons (Matthew 12:24; Mark 3:22).
In Christ Jesus
Chris
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
(Mat 12:31-32)
Hello again, @St. SteVen ,
* Yes, God can be insulted. The Pharisees in our Lord's day insulted Him, for they attributed His words and works to Beelzebub, the prince of demons (Matthew 12:24; Mark 3:22).
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Beelzebub. Aramaic, Beelzeboul.
Beelzebub = the lord of flies (2 Kings 1:2), was the god of the Ekronites: A branch of the Philistines (Joshua 13:3). It was changed in contempt by the Israelites to Baalzebel = lord of the dunghill, and thence used of the prince of the demons.
Usage:-
Mat.10:25
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Mat.12:24
But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat.12:27
And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mar.3:22
And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Luk.11:15
But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
Luk.11:18
If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
Luk.11:19
And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
'Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.'
(Mat 12:31-32)
Hello @St. SteVen,
The remarks made by the Pharisees would have been offensive to a Holy God surely. For they were identifying the words and works of God, spoken and enacted by the Lord Jesus Christ with a demon. The severity of the consequence for this: shows how great an offence it would have been to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified,
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
Do you really believe there is an unforgivable sin? (or was that an exaggeration for effect?)
'Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.'
(Mat 12:31-32)
Hello @St. SteVen,
I don't think it is possible to commit this unforgivable sin now: for the situation that existed at that time, when the confirmatory works were being undertaken by God through the Lord Jesus Christ, no longer exist: The work has been done: it is finished; the Christ has died and risen triumphantly from the grave. The way of salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ has been opened up, to all who will believe God, concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Who paid the penalty for sin, and made reconciliation to God possible to those who believe the good news concerning His Son.
Praise God!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hi @St. SteVen,
I believe that God says what He means, and means what He says.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
soberxp
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Putting aside the emotions of God for now,
In Chinese history, ancient emperors all enjoyed hearing flattering words from their subjects. Our God also delights in us praying devoutly to Him.
To me, these seem like similar emotional experiences.
Among ancient emperors, there were also wise and enlightened rulers willing to listen to opposing views. Similarly, our God has retained Satan by His side—well, yes, that most opposing existence to Him.
Most ancient emperors, however, were mediocre or incompetent rulers who heeded slander, leading to the collapse of their empires. But our God... it seems He has never needed to heed anyone's advice. Or perhaps there are exceptions?
With ancient emperors, it was often said that being close to the ruler was like being close to a tiger—the monarch held the power of life and death over his subjects. Our God seems both similar and yet not quite the same.
For ancient emperors, the most taboo and humiliating thing was the rebellion of their subjects. I suppose God feels the same way.
'As concerning therefore the eating of those things
that are offered in sacrifice unto idols,
we know that an idol is nothing in the world,
and that there is none other God but one.
For though there be that are called gods,
whether in heaven or in earth,
(as there be gods many, and lords many,)
But to us there is but one God, the Father,
of Whom are all things, and we in Him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom are all things,
and we by Him.'
(1Co 8:4-6)
Hello @soberxp,
It is not appropriate to measure the being and attributes of Almighty God, with 'the gods many' which have been conjured up by the imagination of man.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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soberxp
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Anyway we are made in the image of God, Even we are now the image of Satan, but we still have the same mind that God gives us...
So why I need a mind and not just as A.I.
From that perspective the passage seems rather pointless.
What is the actual sin being referred to? What is the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost ?
I think it is referred to earlier in the chapter when Jesus is accused of
driving out demons by Beelzebul, the prince of demons.
Therefore the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is attributing the work of God to Satan.
Those who claim that miracles cannot take place today are skating on thin ice.
Especially if they credit those miracles to the Devil.
Matthew 12:24 NIV
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said,
“It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
St. SteVen said:
Do you really believe there is an unforgivable sin? (or was that an exaggeration for effect?)
And is your answer supported by the passage?
Do you really believe there is an unforgivable sin? (or was that an exaggeration for effect?)
If that's the case, there must be an unforgivable sin. What is it?
And is your answer supported by the passage?
Wick Stick
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I was taught that the unforgivable sin was "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit," citing Mark 3:29:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Hebrews 6 was also preached on the subject:
4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned.
I am not sure these verses say quite the same thing, looking at them now.
Right, that's the question.
What is the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit,"?
The standard evangelical approach was to focus on the unforgivable sin. What is it?
They concluded that rejecting Christ was the unforgivable sin.
Which says nothing about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
