Can Jesus and Paul be reconciled on the LAW?
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Talking to yourself now?
Your questions are wrong. Which is why you must answer them yourself. I have already corrected you concerning Jesus sending the disciples to the Gentile nations.
What books of the Bible do you believe to be inspired by God and Scripture? Why do you want to ask questions but are scared to answer mine?
Stranger
Because I call out to Christ, JESUS as my LORD and SAVIOR.
I HAVE A DUTY TO REJECT PAUL AS A FALSE APOSTLE.
Only you failed to acknowledge that JESUS CHRIST is at the CENTRE of HIS church not Paul, this is why you keep repeating the same question in the hope of defining my faith as erronous (you oppose the scriptures detailing brotherhood in Jesus words only!)
Paul is simply fundamental to HOW YOU DEFINE A CHRISTIAN and not one single time have you acknowledged that I DO NOT NEED PAUL to be CHRISTIAN.
NOT ONCE!
Christ= CHRISTianity (Teachings of Jesus/Nazerene/ 12 pillars)
Paul = Paulianity government endorsed Churchianity seeks earthly treasure to offer being saved by grace (continue as lawless doesnt matter here have more grace)..keep paying taxes for Jewish wars to help cull more christians type religion/nwo.
You believe by having autonomy over the words I use (simply by how YOU define them) to change the meaning to suit you own, you foolishly thought you could create an opening for Paul linguistically on your own.
That is why you have to spotlight me instead of defending Paul, using the art of misdirection its called, and you took the easy option.
You couldn't answer for Paul (witness his testimony) according to how SCRIPTURE applies you should as a believer.
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You reject much more than Paul. Which is why you refuse to answer my question. What books in the Bible do you consider inspired by God and Scripture?
You reject Paul's writings. You must reject Peter's writings. To say you are 'Christian' and then deny the inspiration of the Bible is an oxymoron. Excuse the pun.
And, you have made it a point to cast doubt upon Paul, and thus other portions of the Bible. You don't just disagree with Paul, but you have set out to prove Paul's words are not of God.
So, tell me which books in the Bible are the inspired Word of God and Scripture.
Stranger
How did Paul turn a Goat into a Sheep?
Please do tell us.
Was it magic?
Regarding scripture, you are asserting that because I doubt Paul I HAVE TO doubt Mark, James, Timothy, Matthew and Peter and John.
Peter was regularly rebuked by JESUS, does this mean you have to throw out all of Peters testimony? John did not think so!
So, because Peter was given and developed a "worldly" view of matters concerning the kingdom he was rebuked. All of this (including Pauls epistles) and the OT are used to strengthen a believers discernment for truth and to reference, also apply Jesus teachings to it.
You also need me to say it is all useless and should be thrown out purely on the grounds of disagreement, or I should reject the apostles because of Pauls fleeting attachment to Peter, which somehow means JESUS gives endorsment to Pauls event (a proxy argument).
No, it does not.
I can see why you must continue to argue that point though. All of you arguments rest upon Pauls event, which requires that little thing called evidence.
Paul also wrote his own testimony to win you over. I reject Paul and I use his own works to prove his counterfeit credentials. How is that for reprovement? Thanks TIMOTHY.
Not every part of the bible imparts instruction to the reader. However certain instructions are given to use throughout the whole collection. It is called discernment for a reason.
Just because the OT references people, kings, officials, apostles and prophets etc it is ALL used for reproving! Warts and all.
So your effectively only asking me which books are inspired, I prefer to say the whole collection can and will inspire the truth seeker who reads it and uses the Holy Spirit to guide him/her.
Isaiah 51:1
I am still waiting for you to APPLY Jesus' teaching of witness testimony (given to man by GOD) to Pauls eventl. This is the ALPHA of establishing the events that prove Paul actually met JESUS in the way JESUS said he would reveal himself to HIS apostles.
The litmus test for Apostleship....find out who is really on board that ship!
Have you worked out who it is yet?
Revelation 2:2
Please do tell us.
Was it magic?
Regarding scripture, you are asserting that because I doubt Paul I HAVE TO doubt Mark, James, Timothy, Matthew and Peter and John.
Peter was regularly rebuked by JESUS, does this mean you have to throw out all of Peters testimony? John did not think so!
So, because Peter was given and developed a "worldly" view of matters concerning the kingdom he was rebuked. All of this (including Pauls epistles) and the OT are used to strengthen a believers discernment for truth and to reference, also apply Jesus teachings to it.
You also need me to say it is all useless and should be thrown out purely on the grounds of disagreement, or I should reject the apostles because of Pauls fleeting attachment to Peter, which somehow means JESUS gives endorsment to Pauls event (a proxy argument).
No, it does not.
I can see why you must continue to argue that point though. All of you arguments rest upon Pauls event, which requires that little thing called evidence.
Paul also wrote his own testimony to win you over. I reject Paul and I use his own works to prove his counterfeit credentials. How is that for reprovement? Thanks TIMOTHY.
Not every part of the bible imparts instruction to the reader. However certain instructions are given to use throughout the whole collection. It is called discernment for a reason.
Just because the OT references people, kings, officials, apostles and prophets etc it is ALL used for reproving! Warts and all.
So your effectively only asking me which books are inspired, I prefer to say the whole collection can and will inspire the truth seeker who reads it and uses the Holy Spirit to guide him/her.
Isaiah 51:1
I am still waiting for you to APPLY Jesus' teaching of witness testimony (given to man by GOD) to Pauls eventl. This is the ALPHA of establishing the events that prove Paul actually met JESUS in the way JESUS said he would reveal himself to HIS apostles.
The litmus test for Apostleship....find out who is really on board that ship!
Have you worked out who it is yet?
Revelation 2:2
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Some people get on the Paul band wagon and rant and rave all types of things about him, sadly some try to make him into a, I am of Paul ism. and they put Paul above Jesus, now some don't say this but they do it. they try to separate the OT from the NT, but the OT is a blueprint for the NT, fact is that they are not truly different at all but that the NT has fulfilled to OT. they are to separate identity's now but one in the same root.
Paul ism try's to twist what Paul is truly saying in many ways and so fools claim that Paul is above Peter and they use the part when he corrected Peter, fact was it was only on the subject position that who he was speaking too and about, that was some what mistaken. but the works of Satan are in the con job of such people, they are trying to peddle another of there distortions.
Peter is the leader end of story to anyone who's read all the Bible story's and no one can say that he is not, but what they do is they make out that Peter is coming from there own worldly concept of the Leader, Peter is not a dictator type of perspective like they presume, using his position as a rat bag like an atheist can only conceive or many who are not truly born again who think from the same stupid perspective, problem is because they are not born again is that they are only dribbling mans works religion and that's the root of the problem.
Peter does not rule like a worldly King but a Spiritual King and that's what they can't fathom from there deluded perspective.
People like such ranting about Paul are the same ones who push the Rapture madness and Idolise Talmud Jews, peddle Socialist nonsense but the fact is such is a great Satanic con job that is desperately trying to turn people away from Jesus Christ being number one in their lives.
Anyone who peddles such as looking to their so called 2ed coming man who is going to fix all the problems in the world, is rejecting Jesus Christ in fact, Jesus has all the answers you just have to abide in him. fact is Bible says that he is the one and the same from the beginning to the end you know, he never changes so why be deceived by Satanist who are on a mans works trip.
Jesus brought about Grace not Paul, Peter and Paul are not above their master Jesus in anyway at all, they only ever Served Jesus Christ.
I have come across fools that claim that Paul is a new type of Jesus, that's the work of Satan.
Every truly born again of the Holy Spirit person knows that works spoke of by James is Spiritual works, Satanist try to peddle he is talking about mans works, how stupid could be not understand that fact ! Grace is the working of the Holy Spirit and if it's not of that, it's not Grace.
How do you figure?
The doctrine of the rapture is scriptural...
1Th 4:13, But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14, For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15, For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17, Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18, Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1Co 15:51, Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53, For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54, So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55, O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
It is not so much about any kind of veneration of Paul; but rather it is about whether you hold it to be true that all scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2 Timothy 3:16.
The so called 2ed coming as most today peddle is what I am saying is wrong.
Caught up with them in the clouds, clouds means his majesty you know and meet the Lord in the air, air means his Spirit.
Waiting on him
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1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Tecarta BibleDoes the last trump follow the 6th trump?
Just as I said. You don't believe any of the Bible is the inspired Word of God. Which makes anything your say, worthless.
Stranger
In this thread Paul has been questioned as a valid apostle.
Call it circular reasoning if you will, but it says in Titus 1:1 that Paul is an apostle according to the faith of God's elect.
Therefore, if Paul is correct in writing this...if this is scripture, as Peter declares it is in 2 Peter 3:15-16...
then if you do not accept that Paul is a valid apostle, you are not one of God's elect.
Call it circular reasoning if you will, but it says in Titus 1:1 that Paul is an apostle according to the faith of God's elect.
Therefore, if Paul is correct in writing this...if this is scripture, as Peter declares it is in 2 Peter 3:15-16...
then if you do not accept that Paul is a valid apostle, you are not one of God's elect.
The apostles used great plainness of speech (2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv)); and therefore the literal interpretation is the most valid.
Literal ? you want to study Hebrew first and then you could understand better how they use words to describe, not to mention that English is just trying to interpret this the best that it can.
Nothing is lost in the translation that the Holy Spirit can't bring out through comparing scripture with scripture (1 Corinthians 2:13).
We are certainly capable of getting the Lord's full unadulterated message by reading our trusty kjv.
We are certainly capable of getting the Lord's full unadulterated message by reading our trusty kjv.
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