Can loved one come from paradise to temporarily comfort grieving spouse??

[CC7799]

Acts chapter 1:10

And while they looked steadfast toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel.

These are angels. They are witnesses for Jesus. Its obvious two angels came from the dimension Jesus is in.

1:11
Ye men of Galiee, why stand ye staring up to heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall come like manner as ye have seen him go to heaven.

My mentor, pastor Murray, shepherds chapel. Once said, if loved one is having hard time accepting loss of spouse who died.
Jesus might allow the person to come from heaven to the presence of the grieving family. Only Temporary.

I agree with pastor Murray.

What's the verdict ???.

 

[Scott Downey]

No real examples of it in scripture.
Although angels do minister to the saints of God.

Hebrews 1
13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

Matthew 4:11
Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.

Mark 1:13
And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan, and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to Him.

Hebrews 1:7
And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.”

 

[Windmill Charge]

Jesus might allow the person to come from heaven to the presence of the grieving family. Only Temporary

There is no biblical authority for this claim.

Many people have loved greatly, yet there is No mention of a spiritual visitation by the departed loved one.
Given the general biblical ignorance among Christians this is a deadly false teaching.

 

[Taken]

Acts chapter 1:10

And while they looked steadfast toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel.

These are angels. They are witnesses for Jesus. Its obvious two angels came from the dimension Jesus is in.

1:11
Ye men of Galiee, why stand ye staring up to heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall come like manner as ye have seen him go to heaven.

My mentor, pastor Murray, shepherds chapel. Once said, if loved one is having hard time accepting loss of spouse who died.
Jesus might allow the person to come from heaven to the presence of the grieving family. Only Temporary.

I agree with pastor Murray.

What's the verdict ???.

Sounds like utter nonsense….
What Scripture does Murray claim supports such a notion?

 

[Bob]

Thank you for your post.

What your mentor proposes sounds lovely, and I can imagine a spouse having a very real dream about a lost loved one (a number of relatives have related such ”encounters” to me). But the previous commentators are correct to ask: where does your mentor find biblical evidence for this claim.

Aside: Reading through Shepherd’s Chapel’s statement of faith, nothing unusual sticks out. On the other hand, your mentor teaches that the Trinity consists of YHVH, Yehshua, and the Holy Spirit, which is considerably at odds with Evangelicals.

As a result, we hope you will continue to share what you have learned in your journey of faith with Shepherd’s Chapel, bearing in mind you should be prepared for pushback.

Blessings.

 

[CC7799]

Sounds like utter nonsense….
What Scripture does Murray claim supports such a notion?

Nonsense.
Pastor Murray was at death bead of Christian who was dying. He witnessed the Christian talking to loved one who was thier to take him to heaven. So the Christian recognized there loved one.
Are you familiar with the old testament Apocrypha of Tobit.

A repative of his came to help him from another dimension. I don't deal in fantasy land. I told the truth. I don't appreciate insuation.

Pastor Murray teaches sound doctrine. And goes back to the Hebrew and Greek texts.

Arnold passed away in 2012. Pastor Dennis Murray took over.

I'm not going to strive over this.

This is My only reply.

 

[CC7799]

Thank you for your post.

What your mentor proposes sounds lovely, and I can imagine a spouse having a very real dream about a lost loved one (a number of relatives have related such ”encounters” to me). But the previous commentators are correct to ask: where does your mentor find biblical evidence for this claim.

Aside: Reading through Shepherd’s Chapel’s statement of faith, nothing unusual sticks out. On the other hand, your mentor teaches that the Trinity consists of YHVH, Yehshua, and the Holy Spirit, which is considerably at odds with Evangelicals.

As a result, we hope you will continue to share what you have learned in your journey of faith with Shepherd’s Chapel, bearing in mind you should be prepared for pushback.

Blessings.

Sir.
Are you familiar with Tobit of the acropyoha, old testament.

A relative came from the dimension Jesus is in to help Tobit. I don't lie, or engage in fairy tales.

I documented it.

And pastor Arnold Murray was at death bed of Christian he personally knew. He witnessed the Christian talking to loved one who came to escort him to heaven.

He wasn't on medication.

I don't have lot of patience.

I don't like Insinuations.

I documented it.

Arnold passed away in 2012.

You either accept it or you don't.

But don't accuse me sowing seeds of doubt

Shepherds chapel teaches sound doctrine.

Pastor Murray goes back to the Hebrew and Greek texts.

Im not going to debate or strive about this.

Take care.

 

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Nonsense.
Pastor Murray was at death bead of Christian who was dying. He witnessed the Christian talking to loved one who was thier to take him to heaven. So the Christian recognized there loved one.
Are you familiar with the old testament Apocrypha of Tobit.

A repative of his came to help him from another dimension. I don't deal in fantasy land. I told the truth. I don't appreciate insuation.

Pastor Murray teaches sound doctrine. And goes back to the Hebrew and Greek texts.

Arnold passed away in 2012. Pastor Dennis Murray took over.

I'm not going to strive over this.

This is My only reply.

Nothing in Scripture teaches saved souls of men in Heaven return to earth to escort departing souls to heaven.

A dying person, or a living person, Christian or not may certainly be thinking of and envisioning in his mind a loved one that has passed away. So what?

Jesus SAID…Angels carry departed (saved) souls.

Luke 16:
[20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:

Don’t much care who your teacher is…but according to Scripture you should always VERIFY with Gods word what you are told is true or not.

 

[CC7799]

Nothing in Scripture teaches saved souls of men in Heaven return to earth to escort departing souls to heaven.

A dying person, or a living person, Christian or not may certainly be thinking of and envisioning in his mind a loved one that has passed away. So what?

Jesus SAID…Angels carry departed (saved) souls.

Luke 16:
[20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:

Don’t much care who your teacher is…but according to Scripture you should always VERIFY with Gods word what you are told is true or not.

Lazarus was escorted to paradise.
Luke chapter 16.

Tobit, old testament.

Relative helped Tobit from dimension Jesus is in.

I wanted to see how others would reply.

I encountered few hereticks on another thread. Who we're causing division and sowing discord.

Titus chapter 3. Warns us about heretic's. This is another subject.

Yes. I should have clarified Angels escorting loved one.

I'm human like every one else.

Take care.

 

[Bob]

Thank you for responding.

You appear to take my comments as disparaging, which they were not intended.

Actually, having thought more about what your mentor said, and your response, there might be something to it (although not likely convincing to typical members of this forum, many of whom are strict Bible literalists).

There are passages throughout scripture of God comforting people in their time of need. It does not say how He will provide comfort.

If God communicates to us through our subconscious, it may be that He can comfort us without our knowing how it is happening. Since our dreams come to us through our subconscious, it may be He can provide dreams so realistic we will believe we are being comforted by the spirit of a departed loved one.

You are welcome to disagree, but kindly do not dismiss me out of hand.

Blessings.

 

[MatthewG]

My concerns of the afterlife with the descriptions of the Kingdom. Maybe there are people who then even so, can come to Yahavah. Of course it’s their choice to come from the darkness to the light. Yahavah is not a God of Force.

 

[CC7799]

Nothing in Scripture teaches saved souls of men in Heaven return to earth to escort departing souls to heaven.

A dying person, or a living person, Christian or not may certainly be thinking of and envisioning in his mind a loved one that has passed away. So what?

Jesus SAID…Angels carry departed (saved) souls.

Luke 16:
[20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:

Don’t much care who your teacher is…but according to Scripture you should always VERIFY with Gods word what you are told is true or not.

Sir.

You contrictted yourself.

Luke chapter 16.

Angel bought Lazarus to paradise. Its enough evidence that angel from dimension of Jesus came to the dimension of the flesh.

It's obvious you didn't or won't Read Tobit in the acropyoha. Old testament.

Tobit had help from relative who came from the dimension Jesus is in.

Tobit lost his eye sight. The angel, a relative restored his sight.

Its fine with me you wont taccept documentation.

I did verify God's word.

It seems you're agnotist.

Theres doctor's who deny near death experience.

It's obvious they don't have faith, and don't believe in God's word.

Every is entitled to believe what they want.

I don't much care either for agnotist or scorners. Respectfully speaking.

I'm trying to produce fruit for God.


Some members are going to disagree.

We disagree.

I moved on.

 

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Sir.

You contrictted yourself.

False.

Luke chapter 16.

Angel bought Lazarus to paradise. Its enough evidence that angel from dimension of Jesus came to the dimension of the flesh.

An angel carried Lazarus’ “SOUL” that departed his dead body, to Paradise.

It's obvious you didn't or won't Read Tobit in the acropyoha. Old testament.

Tobit had help from relative who came from the dimension Jesus is in.

Tobit lost his eye sight. The angel, a relative restored his sight.

Its fine with me you wont taccept documentation.

Already KNOW from Scripture…
Bodys come from the earth, die, return to the earth.
Souls come from God, depart dead body’s, are escorted to Paradise or sent to hell.

I did verify God's word.

So, so do I.

It seems you're agnotist.

Seems you are a false accuser.

Theres doctor's who deny near death experience.

So? Many people regardless of their profession have different beliefs.

Some members are going to disagree.

So?

A human soul does not escort departed souls to heaven

Humans can Physically/ Clinically bodily die their souls depart and God cause their souls to return to the body and their body resume living…
Living men modernly call that a “near death experience”….and yes that can occur as reveal in Scripture.

We disagree.

OK…I disagree on your false accusation…

 

[St. SteVen]

What's the verdict ???.

Perhaps it is not limited to spouses. I had an interesting experience when my father passed.
Here is a testimony about preparing to speak at the funeral the next day.

It was cloudy and gray and wet from the rain. Not very inspiring weather.
I wanted blue sky and sunshine to inspire my writing.

I checked the weather report and saw that it was clearing way to the west of us.
So, I got in my car and headed west. I had to drive quite a distance.

I drove as far as I thought was appropriate, but still found no blue sky and sunshine.
So I pulled into a park to turn around. It was then that I noticed something unusual.

There was a hole in the clouds that put a beam of light on a picnic table in the park.
I parked the car. When I got out I also noticed that though the ground was soaked from rain,
the picnic tables were dry. Very strange.

I took my pad of paper and pen and went over to the picnic table with the beam of light on it,
The table and seat were dry enough to sit on. The clouds above were moving, but the light remained
on the table. I assumed it would end at any moment, so I sat down and began to write.
The words flowed onto the page. Noteworthy memories about my Dad were recorded with ease.

When I had enough for a rough draft I stopped writing. I had plenty to edit down
to a good presentation when I got back home. Amazingly, the light had held until I had finished
and had even continued. I knew I needed to add this to the story I would tell at the funeral.

It made a good introduction, actually. I headed for home. While driving, I noticed that
the circular opening in the clouds remained, I told my wife about the phenomenon
and went out the back of the house to see if it was still there. It was gone then.
It had served its purpose. I set to work on my presentation with that inspiration.

In the passing months I felt the presence of my father on occasion.
I still talk to him when I want him to make note of something we can discuss later.

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