The end of the world, as taught by Christ, separates the wicked from the just at the harvest, and it is coming for you.

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Spiritual Israelite

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They got in just as Matthew 23:13 says …

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
That isn't what it says. The only way that anyone has ever been saved and entered the kingdom of God/heaven is by faith and they did not have faith.

The tares were sown into His field which could only have taken place under the old covenant. Under the new covenant it’s only by water and spirit.
What are you talking about? How do you think someone was saved in old covenant times and how in new covenant times?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do …

Also in Matthew 13:37 the word “sowing” <4687> is a present tense verb, so we know the Son of man was sowing when He spoke those words, during the old covenant age.
What is your point here?
 

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What are you talking about? How do you think someone was saved in old covenant times and how in new covenant times?
I’m not arguing that the tares were saved, only that they were in the kingdom prior to them being purged out by the angels.

What is your point here?
The point is the same old covenant field was sown by Jesus and Satan.
You have Satan in the bottomless pit during the new covenant so how do you suppose he would personally be able to sow in the field when the field is the world per Matthew 13:38? He can’t be both in the pit and in the world.
 

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I’m not arguing that the tares were saved, only that they were in the kingdom prior to them being purged out by the angels.
They were not. Look at this...

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Can you see here how Jesus contrasted the children of the kingdom (good seed/wheat) with the children of the wicked one (tares). That means the tares were not in the kingdom. Very simple.

The point is the same old covenant field was sown by Jesus and Satan.
So?

You have Satan in the bottomless pit during the new covenant so how do you suppose he would personally be able to sow in the field when the field is the world per Matthew 13:38? He can’t be both in the pit and in the world.
Do apparently don't know how Amils understand the binding of Satan, which is very surprising. We do not see his binding in the sense of Him being completely incapacitated in a literal place like Premils do. We see His binding as being related to His inability to keep people in bondage to the fear of death without hope of anything after death like he was able to do in old covenant times because he held the power of death (Hebrews 2:14-15). But, by His death Jesus took the power of death away from Satan and has set many people free from the power of death by giving them the hope of eternal life.
 

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They were not. Look at this...

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Can you see here how Jesus contrasted the children of the kingdom (good seed/wheat) with the children of the wicked one (tares). That means the tares were not in the kingdom. Very simple.
Matthew 13:38 but the tares are the children of the wicked one
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men

Hello!

Matthew 13:41 and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity

What more corroboration do you need? The tares were in His kingdom, they got purged out.

Do apparently don't know how Amils understand the binding of Satan, which is very surprising. We do not see his binding in the sense of Him being completely incapacitated in a literal place like Premils do. We see His binding as being related to His inability to keep people in bondage to the fear of death without hope of anything after death like he was able to do in old covenant times because he held the power of death (Hebrews 2:14-15). But, by His death Jesus took the power of death away from Satan and has set many people free from the power of death by giving them the hope of eternal life.
So are you saying that Satan is currently in this world? Or maybe you think the world is the bottomless pit?