I have been pondering for days whether or not I should put this on the Forum. I cannot get it off of my mind, so here it is. Google "Catholic priest sings song about Lucifer" and see for yourself. I didn't think much about the song, but when he said that "Jesus was the son of Lucifer" that did it for me. I knew then that I was going to have to say something about this. First there was the Chrislam thing and now the Lucifer song. Maybe there are some Catholics that will come out of Catholicism as the results of the Lucifer song.
Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer
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Not if they're smart Catholics and do their research on this song.
First of all, the song was originally written in Latin, and started showing up in Latin manuscripts (to be used during certain celebratory Masses, such as Easter) no later that the 7th century.
Secondly, the only part of the song that's being translated from Latin to English is the last part of the song. So, we don't get the whole context unless we have the translation of the song in it's entirety. Since the whole song is about Jesus/God, what went askew?
The translation.
Thirdly, the song is being translated from Latin. Lucifer in Latin, is translated to mean "morning star.' In the original Latin text, it is NOT capitalized. It is not "Lucifer", but "lucifer." It is not a proper noun, nor are the subtitles a proper translation.
Fourth. In scriptures (the Bible), the "morning star" is ALWAYS a reference to JESUS; not satan.
This is just another example of those who love to (try to) find fault with the Catholic Church.
Sources: Exsultet - Wikipedia
Who Is The Bright Morning Star: Jesus Or Lucifer?
You may have noticed that the title “Bright Morning Star” is used to refer to both Lucifer and to Jesus in the Bible. So, which is it? First, let’s
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Also, Google translator, Latin to English
Thanks for clearing that up. Yes there is a push to attack the Catholic church ever since the news aired stories of child molestation from Catholic priests. Something you'll probably find in any church.Not if they're smart Catholics and do their research on this song.
First of all, the song was originally written in Latin, and started showing up in Latin manuscripts (to be used during certain celebratory Masses, such as Easter) no later that the 7th century.
Secondly, the only part of the song that's being translated from Latin to English is the last part of the song. So, we don't get the whole context unless we have the translation of the song in it's entirety. Since the whole song is about Jesus/God, what went askew?
The translation.
Thirdly, the song is being translated from Latin. Lucifer in Latin, is translated to mean "morning star.' In the original Latin text, it is NOT capitalized. It is not "Lucifer", but "lucifer." It is not a proper noun, nor are the subtitles a proper translation.
Fourth. In scriptures (the Bible), the "morning star" is ALWAYS a reference to JESUS; not satan.
This is just another example of those who love to (try to) find fault with the Catholic Church.
Sources: Exsultet - Wikipedia
Who Is The Bright Morning Star: Jesus Or Lucifer?
You may have noticed that the title “Bright Morning Star” is used to refer to both Lucifer and to Jesus in the Bible. So, which is it? First, let’s
Also, Google translator, Latin to English
Not if they're smart Catholics and do their research on this song.
First of all, the song was originally written in Latin, and started showing up in Latin manuscripts (to be used during certain celebratory Masses, such as Easter) no later that the 7th century.
Secondly, the only part of the song that's being translated from Latin to English is the last part of the song. So, we don't get the whole context unless we have the translation of the song in it's entirety. Since the whole song is about Jesus/God, what went askew?
The translation.
Thirdly, the song is being translated from Latin. Lucifer in Latin, is translated to mean "morning star.' In the original Latin text, it is NOT capitalized. It is not "Lucifer", but "lucifer." It is not a proper noun, nor are the subtitles a proper translation.
Fourth. In scriptures (the Bible), the "morning star" is ALWAYS a reference to JESUS; not satan.
This is just another example of those who love to (try to) find fault with the Catholic Church.
Sources: Exsultet - Wikipedia
Who Is The Bright Morning Star: Jesus Or Lucifer?
You may have noticed that the title “Bright Morning Star” is used to refer to both Lucifer and to Jesus in the Bible. So, which is it? First, let’s
Also, Google translator, Latin to English
The song exalts Satan. Lucifer in the Bible is the devil, Isaiah 14:12. And then the priest said, "Christ is the son of Lucifer". That is 100% blasphemy against God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Those that say and believe that are under the judgment of God.Not if they're smart Catholics and do their research on this song.
First of all, the song was originally written in Latin, and started showing up in Latin manuscripts (to be used during certain celebratory Masses, such as Easter) no later that the 7th century.
Secondly, the only part of the song that's being translated from Latin to English is the last part of the song. So, we don't get the whole context unless we have the translation of the song in it's entirety. Since the whole song is about Jesus/God, what went askew?
The translation.
Thirdly, the song is being translated from Latin. Lucifer in Latin, is translated to mean "morning star.' In the original Latin text, it is NOT capitalized. It is not "Lucifer", but "lucifer." It is not a proper noun, nor are the subtitles a proper translation.
Fourth. In scriptures (the Bible), the "morning star" is ALWAYS a reference to JESUS; not satan.
This is just another example of those who love to (try to) find fault with the Catholic Church.
Sources: Exsultet - Wikipedia
Who Is The Bright Morning Star: Jesus Or Lucifer?
You may have noticed that the title “Bright Morning Star” is used to refer to both Lucifer and to Jesus in the Bible. So, which is it? First, let’s
Also, Google translator, Latin to English
I don't have a link. Google, "Catholic priest sings song about Lucifer".
No, it doesn't. The song in its entirety is sung in unison with the lighting of a Paschal candle, during the Easter Vigil. The candle represents the pillar of fire that illuminated the way as the Hebrews were led out of Egypt.
Isaiah 14:12 is part of a satirical poem that talks about the fall of the King of Babylon; not the devil or satan. If the word "Lucifer" is in *your* bible at Is 14:12, then you probably have a (N)KJV...which, is one of few versions that uses the Latin word "Lucifer" in that passage. The original Hebrew word is "heilel" (meaning, "shining one"). The NASB translation is "star of the morning."
The word "lucifer" (or a derivative, thereof) was used 5 times by Jerome when he translated the bible into Latin: It can be found at Isaiah 14:12, Job 11:17, Job 38:32, Psalms 110:3 and 2 Peter 1:19. At no time do ANY of those passages refer to "lucifer" as satan or devil.
No, the priest did not say that. The following are the words (the priest used) in question in Latin:
Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.
Christus Fílius tuus,
qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit,
et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum.
The anti-Catholic English "translation" is as follows:
Flames of Lucifer finds dawn,
This I say, Lucifer who will never be defeated,
Christ is your son
Who came back from hell, shed his peaceful light
and is alive and reigns in the world without end.
The proper translation is:
May this flame be found still burning
by the Morning Star:
the one Morning Star who never sets.
Christ your Son,
who, coming back from death's domain,
has shed his peaceful light on humanity,
and lives and reigns for ever and ever.
More about this anti-Catholic slur here:
Who (or What) Was Lucifer?
Recently I got a query from someone wondering about an anti-Catholic video that claimed “the pope’s deacon” invoked Lucifer during the Easter Vigil liturgy and...
Here's a link for you.
The Latin words, with English subtitles starts at around :48 seconds.
Thank you.Here's a link for you.
The Latin words, with English subtitles starts at around :48 seconds.
Why bring a post to attention without the supporting
factors !
I believe, it is time, we stop the condemnation of one another's religious beliefs and return to the word of God in personal study.
It is the bickering among the denominations that causes satan some success in his bid to overthrow the kingdom of God in individuals . YET, HE IS ALREADY DEFEATED, IT HAPPENED WHEN JESUS SAID " IT IS FINISHED".
In the accepting of the free gift of salvation, believing and following Jesus, obeying the word of God to YOUR best ability, being led of the Spirit, then can we KNOW ,we are the children of God !
I may not agree with your religion, your doctrine, your rituals & traditions, nor your's or men's private interpretations but, God will be the judge, out of the books opened when we stand before him. We will stand ALONE, except for Jesus' affirmation, " This is one of mine, Father".
It is the bickering among the denominations that causes satan some success in his bid to overthrow the kingdom of God in individuals . YET, HE IS ALREADY DEFEATED, IT HAPPENED WHEN JESUS SAID " IT IS FINISHED".
In the accepting of the free gift of salvation, believing and following Jesus, obeying the word of God to YOUR best ability, being led of the Spirit, then can we KNOW ,we are the children of God !
I may not agree with your religion, your doctrine, your rituals & traditions, nor your's or men's private interpretations but, God will be the judge, out of the books opened when we stand before him. We will stand ALONE, except for Jesus' affirmation, " This is one of mine, Father".
*Whew* I agree! Frankly, I'm tired of the whole, "My religion's better than yours" (said with a sing-song voice of the grade school playground of "nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyahhhhhh." *eye roll*
Some denominations believe, they're already "saved". Others believe that they still have work to do before there's salvation.
Does it REALLY matter?
Some feel it's their destiny to 'save' others, but is that REALLY what Jesus told us to do?
Well, yes and no. Maybe to try to save others, but maybe not so much in the way that some try to save others.
Although I am Catholic, I don't believe that going to church on Sunday, Confession and not eating meat on Friday, and saying the Rosary is necessarily going to automatically "save" me.
But I think that what will save us is our humility...before God and others. Again, it's only *my* belief...
...which, added to $2.50 might get me a cup of coffee from Starbuck's. *another eye roll*
I concur @Mink57
Do any truly think there will denominal, doctrinal or belief tribes in the throne room?
It is a pity that all cannot understand. It takes us believing in Jesus' sacrificial offering to God, the Father, in obedience to his will, our repentance of our sinful nature to be saved, simple !
It is a free gift of God, by his grace thru our faith !
Do any truly think there will denominal, doctrinal or belief tribes in the throne room?
It is a pity that all cannot understand. It takes us believing in Jesus' sacrificial offering to God, the Father, in obedience to his will, our repentance of our sinful nature to be saved, simple !
It is a free gift of God, by his grace thru our faith !
Some do. Some Catholics believe that ONLY Catholics will end up in Heaven. Some non-Catholic Christians believe that Catholics will end up in Hell. Other Christians believe that we'll ALL end up in Heaven. Go figure...
I think you've touched on the 'keys' to eternal salvation. Some believe that all you have to do is "believe" that Jesus died on the cross for us...and we can still go out, commit sin, act like jerks...but we'll all be SAVED. If that was true, then Jesus' teachings have no meaning.
Obedience to the Father? We don't have to do that! After all, we're 'saved' simply because we believe that Jesus died for our sins...INCLUDING, NOT obeying the Father (apparently)! Kind of like, "Hey! I can break all 10 Commandments, and then some, because Jesus died for *my* sins!"
Yeah. Doesn't quite work that way.
The 'formula' you propose IS simple. But practicing that formula, well...
I find the claim a little hard to swallow. So, I went looking because if the 1st thread title claim were true it would likely be all over the place.
This all happened in 2014.
And a discussion among Catholics is linked below from 2016.
Hi, guys —
On April 27, 2014 the Pope addressed the world. At some point during the event, one guy was singing a song in Latin. It referred to Lucifer several times. I have seen videos online that claim the lyrics were exalting satan as god, the creator. I would like to find the name of that song and the specific lyrics so that I might be able to discern for myself what was actually said.
Thomas
1 answer:
Eric replied:
Full discussion is found at the link below.
This all happened in 2014.
And a discussion among Catholics is linked below from 2016.
Hi, guys —
On April 27, 2014 the Pope addressed the world. At some point during the event, one guy was singing a song in Latin. It referred to Lucifer several times. I have seen videos online that claim the lyrics were exalting satan as god, the creator. I would like to find the name of that song and the specific lyrics so that I might be able to discern for myself what was actually said.
- Can you direct me to that material or someone who might be able to?
Thomas
1 answer:
Eric replied:
| Thomas, Lucifer means light bearer or morning star in Latin. It doesn't necessarily refer to Satan. In fact, it's the term for one of the acolytes in the liturgy, because he holds the candle. In a certain sense Jesus is lucifer because He is the Light of the World. This is alluded to in 2 Peter 1:19: which reads in English: The idea that Satan is Lucifer is not directly found in the Bible but is a gloss from a reference to the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14:12, KJV: Here is some more information on what was being sung at the Pope's liturgy. Eric |
Full discussion is found at the link below.
Patrick1966
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Calling out the Catholic Church for the actions of a few bad priests is like calling out Jesus for the actions of a few bad preachers.
The following came out yesterday:
Robert Dell of Pinellas County, along with four other associates, is charged with stealing merchandise worth more than $1.4 million from Home Depot stores in several counties along the west coast of Florida and selling the items online.1 day ago
https://www.fox4now.com/news/state/...Pinellas County,and selling the items online.
The following came out yesterday:
Robert Dell of Pinellas County, along with four other associates, is charged with stealing merchandise worth more than $1.4 million from Home Depot stores in several counties along the west coast of Florida and selling the items online.1 day ago
https://www.fox4now.com/news/state/...Pinellas County,and selling the items online.
Florida pastor charged with running retail theft ring - Fox 4 News
https://www.fox4now.com/news/state/...Pinellas County,and selling the items online.The priest said in his song that Jesus was the son of Lucifer. That is as blasphemous as it gets.I find the claim a little hard to swallow. So, I went looking because if the 1st thread title claim were true it would likely be all over the place.
This all happened in 2014.
And a discussion among Catholics is linked below from 2016.
Hi, guys —
On April 27, 2014 the Pope addressed the world. At some point during the event, one guy was singing a song in Latin. It referred to Lucifer several times. I have seen videos online that claim the lyrics were exalting satan as god, the creator. I would like to find the name of that song and the specific lyrics so that I might be able to discern for myself what was actually said.
Thank you,
- Can you direct me to that material or someone who might be able to?
Thomas
1 answer:
Eric replied:
Thomas,
Lucifer means light bearer or morning star in Latin. It doesn't necessarily refer to Satan. In fact, it's the term for one of the acolytes in the liturgy, because he holds the candle. In a certain sense Jesus is lucifer because He is the Light of the World. This is alluded to in 2 Peter 1:19:
which reads in English:
The idea that Satan is Lucifer is not directly found in the Bible but is a gloss from a reference to the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14:12, KJV:
Here is some more information on what was being sung at the Pope's liturgy.
Eric
Full discussion is found at the link below.
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
I am confused.Not if they're smart Catholics and do their research on this song.
First of all, the song was originally written in Latin, and started showing up in Latin manuscripts (to be used during certain celebratory Masses, such as Easter) no later that the 7th century.
Secondly, the only part of the song that's being translated from Latin to English is the last part of the song. So, we don't get the whole context unless we have the translation of the song in it's entirety. Since the whole song is about Jesus/God, what went askew?
The translation.
Thirdly, the song is being translated from Latin. Lucifer in Latin, is translated to mean "morning star.' In the original Latin text, it is NOT capitalized. It is not "Lucifer", but "lucifer." It is not a proper noun, nor are the subtitles a proper translation.
Fourth. In scriptures (the Bible), the "morning star" is ALWAYS a reference to JESUS; not satan.
This is just another example of those who love to (try to) find fault with the Catholic Church.
Sources: Exsultet - Wikipedia
Who Is The Bright Morning Star: Jesus Or Lucifer?
You may have noticed that the title “Bright Morning Star” is used to refer to both Lucifer and to Jesus in the Bible. So, which is it? First, let’s
Also, Google translator, Latin to English
the word in Latin is NOT capitalized. so it could not mean Satan
But it actually means the morning star. which is Christ..
Christ should not be capitalized?? I mean I am not going to say it is actually satan.. I can see a misrepresentation.. But at the same time.. to use this as the reason it is not true is odd..
You are apparently trying to lie your way out of this one. Catholics will say and do anything to protect their phony religion.No, the priest didn't say that.
Gotta do your homework, Robert.
Point being, that in the video, Catholics did not capitalize "lucifer". Catholics don't recognize "lucifer" as meaning "satan".
Yes, "lucifer" means "morning star" as the most common translation. And yes, Christ is sometimes referred to as "the morning star."
The point is, that Catholics did not capitalize "lucifer" in the video. Anti-Catholics did. Even some non-Catholic Christians recognize "lucifer" as "Lucifer"; that is, they recognize Lucifer as the name of satan.
Catholics, however, do not recognize the word "lucifer" to mean satan, or to be satan's name.
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