No and no matter how many times you wish that were the case, it never will be.
Your comments are always good for a laugh.
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No and no matter how many times you wish that were the case, it never will be.
Your comments are always good for a laugh.
You are not the first person to use humor as a shield to hide inadequacies and you wont be the last.
What you wont do is refute the essence of anything I say with legitimate scripture and honestly, nothing beyond that matters.
That's really funny considering I can't drag any scriptures out of you to support your opinions.
That's because you have yet to define a specific point of error. I commented earlier on the aggregate of some of your postings.
Again, pick a specific point that you believe is in error and post your evidence to back it up and I'll correct it and you accordingly.
That's simple enough isn't it?
Precious friend, the Scriptural Reason That God's ETERNAL Salvation MustI just want to ensure I am truly saved
Thank you very much for your comment. I appreciate your prayers and will do the same. I grew up in church and have remained a believer since adulthood, but reading different views on these topics now that I am older has confused me and caused me to question my own beliefs, so I appreciate the guidance and wisdom in discerning truth. I just want to do right by Jesus and those around me.Precious friend, the Scriptural Reason That God's ETERNAL Salvation Must
"go on and on," Is Because It is THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL! And, it is
Very SIMPLE, According To The Scripture {NOT Confused "religions"}:
God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With those who humbly:
believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS
Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The
Scriptures! (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)
"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits Of HIS
Precious And ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:
All sins Forgiven, HIS Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
{This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PENALTY of sin!}
Justification
I will pray for you - any More questions, let me know...
This "study" should be next:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
Thank you for your comment. Apologies if I have rehashed once discussed topics - I am new here. If you have time to answer a few questions, I would appreciate it. No snark here, just genuine curiosity. What exactly differentiates "works" from "works of the law"? I am not sure I have heard those discussed as different ideas before. I have been baptized before but understand that some believe immersion is required, I wasn't immersed because that is not how my denomination does it. I am curious how you differentiate baptism by the Spirit vs. baptism by water - I understand they can occur simultaneously, but are you of the belief they must occur simultaneously, and if so, what scripture supports this view?Hi,
This is one of those topics that goers on and on, and again and again, so I will respond to you but I'm not going to dragged into another long argument over salvation and baptism.
Salvation. For Catholics salvation has three aspects:
our initial salvation/justification
our ongoing salvation/justification
our final salvation/justification.
I think we are only referring here to our initial salvation/justification
Works. Protestants claim that Paul says we are not saved by works. But Paul actually says we are not saved by "works of the law".
Rom 3:20&28
20 For no human being will be justified in his sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
28 For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.
(He also uses the phrase works of the law in Gal 2:1, 3:2, 5 & 10)
By works of the law Paul means the Jewish (Mosaic) Law.
All Catholics, Orthodox and many Protestants believe we are initially saved/justified in baptism with water. This is scriptural (Mk16:16 & 1Pet 3:21). It is in baptism with water that we become "born again" (John 3:5), renewed by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5), our sins are forgiven (Acts 2:38), become members of Christ's body (1Cor 12:12-13 ), which is the Church (Eph 5:23.
Some Protestant believe we are saved by faith alone but the Bible never says that.
As a Catholic I believe that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus founded and all other groups have broken away from it. You will have to do your own research on that.
But whatever Church you decide to belong to make sure it practices baptism for salvation.
Thankfully, I have been baptized! Appreciate your comment. I too have held the understanding that baptism of the Spirit can be separate from baptism by water.Jones, make sure you disregard everything in #13 as the bulk of it is flat out incorrect by a correct read of scripture.
Again, "baptism" simply means immersion/saturation- it has to have a qualifier to define the meaning in context.
"water baptism" is a man made public ceremony ( recommended but not mandated) where a believer identifies with the body.
Baptism of the Spirit is done by the Spirit and is the sealing of the believer.
"justification" is a by product of salvation- not a synonym.
I apologise in advance that this is rather long but I think the topic needs it.Thank you for your comment. Apologies if I have rehashed once discussed topics - I am new here. If you have time to answer a few questions, I would appreciate it. No snark here, just genuine curiosity. What exactly differentiates "works" from "works of the law"? I am not sure I have heard those discussed as different ideas before.
I apologise in advance that this is rather long but I think the topic needs it.
The Concise Oxford English Dictionary gives several definitions of work. The first and most general is:
“activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a result.”
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I'll come back to your other points tomorrow.
Hi Sheepdog,i have been a member of many but got so fed up with their false doctrines, traditions, churchianity, worldy slant that I no longer claim a denomination.
I suggest you do the same for the same reason.
That doesn't mean forsaking the assembly but do NOT allow them to control your learning or do your thinking for you.
Hi Jones,Hi all,
I was wondering if someone could discuss what drew them to the Catholic church vs. a Protestant church, or vice versa. I just want to be sure I am a part of a church that follows the Bible and God's vision for the Church most closely. I was also wondering what the different views on salvation are. I have heard that Catholics believe in a works-based salvation and wasn't sure if this was really the case as I am not well versed in Catholicism.
All thoughts and opinions welcome. Thanks.
Lol....Ok...So you read Scripture and I read Scripture and we both come up with a different doctrine.Scripture
On another thread I wrote extensively on this. Rather than repeat it I'll give you the link back to that:I am curious how you differentiate baptism by the Spirit vs. baptism by water - I understand they can occur simultaneously, but are you of the belief they must occur simultaneously, and if so, what scripture supports this view? .
Immersion is not required.I have been baptized before but understand that some believe immersion is required, I wasn't immersed because that is not how my denomination does it.
Lol....Ok...So you read Scripture and I read Scripture and we both come up with a different doctrine.
Martin Luther reads Scripture and Zwingili read Scripture and they both came up with different doctrines.
The Catholic Churuch and the Baptist Church leaders read Scripture and came up with a different doctrine.
So your theory that “Scripture” decides what a false doctrine is non-sensical. Would you care to try again?
I also wonder if you could discuss the difference between salvation and justification? I am attempting to get to the heart of the dispute between you and Apologetic Sheepdog. .