Certainity

[Matthias]

“For I am sure of this very thing, that the one who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.”

(Philippians 1:6)

Don’t allow the uncertainty of others to cause you to be uncertain @Ernie.

 

[MatthewG]

@Matthias, I guess you believe that you are certain about God existing, when people suggest he doesn't. It's faith.

Christianity is a faith based admission. It's not a certain. Abraham wandered around in faith. Uncertain of where he was going.

Hebrews 1:1-3.

Hebrews 11:8 It was by faith that Abraham obeyed when God called him to leave home and go to another land that God would give him as his inheritance. He went without knowing where he was going.

 

[Matthias]

@Matthias, I guess you believe that you are certain about God existing, when people suggest he doesn't. It's faith.

Christianity is a faith based admission. It's not a certain. Abraham wandered around in faith. Uncertain of where he was going.

Hebrews 1:1-3.

Hebrews 11:8 It was by faith that Abraham obeyed when God called him to leave home and go to another land that God would give him as his inheritance. He went without knowing where he was going.

Based on certain evidence.

 

[MatthewG]

Good luck on getting evidence! Haha, bring God down then, then you can show certainty @Matthias.

I don't believe it's based on evidence you are wrong, about that in my opinion.

 

[Matthias]

Good luck on getting evidence!

Echoes of atheism.

Book recommendation. Forensic Faith, written by J. Warner Wallace.

 

[MatthewG]

That is the thing @Matthias - Abaraham was a man of faith, not evidence. So I believe your whole being certain thing is just inviable.

Abarham was not a man of certainity...

But you suppose we should live as though we are.

 

[Matthias]

That is the thing @Matthias - Abaraham was a man of faith, not evidence. So I believe your whole being certain thing is just inviable.

Abarham was not a man of certainity...

But you suppose we should live as though we are.

Abraham‘s faith is based on evidence.

 

[MatthewG]

Abraham‘s faith is based on evidence.

So are you certain you are going to the heavenly kingdom when you die?

I guess by your admission it would be a yes, and not a hope so.

I can't say for sure what God will do with me. Im uncertain, but hope the best in it.

All the best bro.

 

[Matthias]

I can't say for sure what God will do with me.

We can say for sure what God has promised to do with good and evil men.

 

[MatthewG]

Thats a hopeful statement, @Matthias, if God does exist. We don't know we just have faith that God is good and will do right. But I digress we both have 2 differing perspectives as I don't believe in your certainty as much as you do, though I have hope in justiice being performed.

 

[Matthias]

“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.”

(James 1:5-6)

James doesn’t have any doubt about the existence of God.

 

[Behold]

Anyone teaching certainty can be dangerous!

I'm certain if we pray for you your back will be healed!
I'm certain if we pray for you your eye sight will return?
I'm certain if we pray for you and your legs to work right, you will get out that wheel chair!

False.

The person you are describing in the Prayer, does not have any real faith.

 

[MatthewG]

its just a wonder to me why faith, hope and love are something which doesn't involve certainity

 

[MatthewG]

“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.”

(James 1:5-6)

James doesn’t have any doubt about the existence of God.

You =just don't want to accept my position and its fine. James also was a man of faith. not certainity.

 

[MatthewG]

We know that being faithful is concerned on these statements


Hebrews 11:1-3
1Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.


It's by faith, not certainty. Christianity is a faith based admission.

 

[Matthias]

Jesus expressed no doubt about the existence of God.

“A disciple is not greater than his teacher, but everyone when fully trained will be like his teacher.”

(Luke 6:40)

 

[MatthewG]

@Matthias, yeah if Jesus even exist. You have to have faith he even existed, died, was buried and raised again man. You are doing to much.

You trying to making something certain which is not... you have to have faith, you are skipping over faith entirely.

 

[Matthias]

You =just don't want to accept my position and its fine.

It has nothing to do with wanting to or not wanting to.

James also was a man of faith. not certainity.

James was a man of both.

 

[Matthias]

@Matthias, yeah if Jesus even exist.

There is evidence that Jesus existed.

You have to have faith he even existed, died, was buried and raised again man. You are doing to much.

You trying to making something certain which is not... you have to have faith, you are skipping over faith entirely.

I’m not skipping over faith at all.

 

[MatthewG]

There is evidence that Jesus existed.

Is there? But did he raise again? Do you have proof of that? Physical proof I can see? No... You have to faithfully believe he raised again.


I dont get where you can skip over faith itself cause that is all you been doing.