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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by brakelite, Nov 5, 2018.

  1. brakelite

    brakelite Well-Known Member

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    This subject comes up often. It has been suggested that child abuse is worse in some churches than in others, and that focusing on just one sector of faith is unfair and unjust.
    The recent royal Commission of inquiry into child abuse in Australia took 5 years to complete. It was fully comprehensive, investigating through legal powers granted the Commission, to delve into every faith, every institution, whether church, orphanage, school, any institution of whatever faith background, if they had anything to do with education, or the welfare of children, or otherwise, they came under the commission's very serious gaze.
    What transpired can be seen in the following report...
    Grappling with Rome: David Marr's lessons from the royal commission
     
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    The whole catholic institution is a conundrum to the world outside of their inner circle, even to those claiming to be catholic church members.

    Beginning with a JEW, appointed by Jesus, along with other JEWS to carry on Jesus' mission to speak the word of God TO the Lost Jews.

    Men in Scripture calling Jews who followed after Jesus' teachings, whom such Jews, believed Jesus to be the Jewish Christ Messiah....other men....calling them Christians.

    A group of Gentiles, calling themselves Christians, forming a church, they called catholic, and appointing a DEAD JEW, unbeknownst to him, as the First holy father, of their Gentile church......

    Totally in agreement with what Jesus had appointed this Jew (called Peter) to do....Right? LOL

    Totally in agreement with what this JEW (called Peter) did during his lifetime....Right? LOL

    Years of "appointed" Non-Jewish men, claiming the secession of KEY holders given a Jewish man BY Jesus Himself.....hummm!

    On about 1929, the Central catholic church located in Italy and the place for the catholic appointed "holy father" of the catholics to be his home......such place becomes its own independent state....
    and independent Government!

    Geographical legal Jurisdiction
    Personal legal Jurisdiction
    Subject Matter legal Jurisdiction

    Nothing NEW:
    Governments have appointed head honchos.
    Governments have appointed representatives.
    Governments have LAWS.
    Governments EXCLUDE those appointed from being SUBJECT TO the SAME scrunity and punishments, as applies to the WHOLE of the common "members" of the group.

    ( the Pharisee syndrome ... NOT promoted by Jesus....rather in fact...Jesus spoke against such behavior....yet adopted by the catholic church and independent state government )

    Nothing NEW:
    Catholic "appointees" have been subject to, The protection of their "Government"....in the same manner, Other world-wide "governments" historically have "protected" their "own" from "subjection to scrunity, punishments, of "their" government and OTHER governments!

    In short it is simply called modernly "black ops".

    While a particular "government" does not openly promote "corruption"....behind closed doors....IF one (representing the government) engages in "corruption"....keep it secret and don't get caught....Because "THE" government can not openly acknowledge or condone your "corruption".

    The catholic "government" is no different....
    To whisk away in secret, any "appointed" rep. Found in a corrupt hot mess....in hopes of "rehabilitation"....and the "public at large...the common members of the group"....none the wiser. And of course...any member of the group (public at large), who make accusations....are simply conspiracy theorists or mental cases, or conveniently booted out.

    The catholic CASE is unique...because it IS a Religious organization, under the secrecy of a state organized and recognized "government".

    The "catholic" government is as receptive to being scrutinized and investigated.....by a FOREIGN Government....as is North Korea receptive to being scrutinized and investigated by a FOREIGN Government.

    It's a Condunrum for "catholics"....
    Their Allegience is to:
    The "government" of the catholic "state"
    AND
    Supposedly the "government" of another country in which they are citizens...
    AND
    Those two Governments Laws "conflict".

    God Bless,
    Taken
     
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    brakelite Well-Known Member

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    The perfect example of this whisking its own into hiding (without any recourse to sexual abusing priests etc) was the hiding of Lincolns assassin, John Wilkes Booth. While I believe 9 or so of his accomplices, all Catholics, were hung, he managed to escape into Canada where rat-lines took him to the Vatican where he served in the Swiss Guards. Can't remember if he was finally extradited or not, or whether he killed himself before hand.
    A more recent example is the fleeing of top Nazi officials into Catholic South America, where the local Catholic governments, e.g in Argentina, who had no extradition treaties with anyone, kept them safe and secure. (Until Mossad finally discovered some of them).
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Well, all in all, we deny our own blindness if we ignore the blatant fact that "Religion", both Catholic and Protestant, has long been intertwined with the politics of the respective regions. That includes Military ties and sympathies... or sometimes, resistance thereof.
     
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    I can't speak to the particulars concerning Booth.

    However it is not secret, INFLUENCE of the those TOUTED having acquired a Reputation;
    as being the Big, the Strong, the Important, the Model, the ME< ME< ME< and the one to imulate...
    Easily gains a huge "following" of people who WANT to be associated WITH that WHICH has a Famously Known group or person....

    Be it in association with Jesus Christ, catholics, protestants, islamists, world leaders, sports figures, politicos, hells angels, street gangs, hollymud or whatever.

    The TYPICAL "hard core member", of whatever "group", WILL dispite ANY question or wondering or accusation.....DEFEND to the max "the group" "THEY" have obliged themselves to be associated with.

    Personally, I associate myself with Jesus Christ. I don't require a worldly acceptable "NAME TAG" to Have my association with Jesus Christ. Nor do I have to DEFEND HIM or my association with Him.

    Concerning catholics, those who might be viewed as "hard core", spend a great deal of time, in discussions between Believers IN Christ, and those Converted IN Christ....
    By bringing up their "church Traditions" and diverting the conversation to being about "DEFENDING their "TRADITIONS"".....
    THAT...
    Non catholics have ZERO commitment to or interest in.

    Non catholics ARE Non catholics BECAUSE they are not in agreement WITH their organization.

    Non catholics ARE PRO- a different Choice, by their own election.

    Catholics running around calling EVERYONE an anti-Catholic as a derogatory slam AGAINST the other person, who does agree with the catholic views........
    on its face is laughable.....
    since their complete failure to acknowledge they themselves are ANTI every person who DOES NOT AGREE WITH A CATHOLIC VIEW.

    God Bless,
    Taken
     
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    OP ---> Child Abuse.

    Like everything else "ABUSE" toward "another" has been redefined to INCLUDE everything from a LOOK to RAPE.

    But yet using the single TERM "ABUSE" ...and open "CHARGE" of ABUSE....can leave the listener, absolutely believing the WORST case scenario.

    Kids are being TAUGHT, by many OTHER than their parents....

    Abuse toward a child.....ranges from not getting what they want, to being scolded, punished, hugging, a Look, being singled out, to a sexual connotation, implication, physical act......and any or all of such acts, Children are being Taught, VOID of a line, They have a third party advocate Against their parents.

    My point being; Children, as impressionable as they are, full well KNOW the difference between a hug, a pop on the behind and a sexual advancement or another intent.

    IF a parent is the culprit....a whole different set of circumstances arise....in WHO to trust, when the one a kid trusts IS the culprit.

    Certainily it becomes another dilemma for a kid, WHOSE parent has projected their TRUST, confidence, encouragement, for their child to be away from the parent and ALONE with a caretaker, teacher, relative, clergy.... WHO has the power over them, TO sexually Abuse them, and the experience and cunningness to Keep the kid hostage to secrecy and embarrassment and disappointment of...
    undermining their own parents TRUST.

    Thus....we find evidence being revealed, that numerous children "withhold" speaking out, and "live with the demeaning secrets" for years....until themselves having reached adult-hood....and disappointed because legal statatues of limits have expired....for a legal recourse Against their perpetrators.

    A conundrum for sure. And compounded, no doubt, when the Abused are subject to TWO different "Governments"....
    A;
    Worldly Religious government
    and
    A;
    Worldly Secular government.

    Catholics and Islamists alike, are particularly subject to Two different "governments" and have been particularly scruntized, by People who are subject to the laws of a secular government.....and "those" involved as well in a Religious government.....Do not Like it.

    God Bless,
    Taken
     
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    Sure.
    US Representatives, elected and appointed ARE the "individuals" voice.

    Of course an individual wants their rep to reflect their voice!

    Problem is, the FALSE Perception that reps have carte blank authority to EFFECT in a legal manner, EVERY individuals VOICE.

    Say for example a Voice appears at the Office of a Rep and says...

    "I do not have an education,
    I do not money for an education,
    I have children I can not afford to feed,
    I want to stay home and not earn my own provisions,
    I want my own home,
    I want transportation,
    I want you to take from others who have loads of money and give it to me".

    Well certainly a Rep can hear their complaints, but the Problem is Corrupt Reps promising that Voice they will WRITE "unConstitutional" laws, to assure, the one with Loads of money, WILL be "legally, under "color of law".....Required to financially "support" that Voice!

    Every "seasoned" Politician has learned how to Effect the back room Deals, to Effect UnConsitutional Laws, and well aware, Passing UnConstitutional Laws, are the Easy part....Undoing them, is the Very Difficult thing to do....and the ill informed public at large are none the wiser.

    God Bless,
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    "I've had a lot of fun on drugs ... I've had a lot of marvelous experiences. I've danced a lot. I've had a great time. I'm not ashamed of it. And I don't see what's wrong with it." David Marr
     
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    The Roman Catholic Church is metaphorically the Synagogue of Satan. Satan took control at the inception of the Church of Rome after Constantine declared that he was a Christian. But the doctrines and practices of Rome are contrary to Scripture and are designed to prevent people from being truly saved while they remain in bondage to Rome. Not to say that the Eastern Orthodox are more biblical, but they have not been accused of the same crimes.

    No Western government has been willing to label predator priests and bishops as criminals, arrest them, and incarcerate them. The Pope should have been indicted by now for running a criminal enterprise, and all his cardinals and bishops should have been been prosecuted for supporting the evils which were swept under the rug for centuries.

    Instead many so-called Protestant and evangelical churches have been joining hands with Rome for decades. Even Billy Graham worked with the Catholic Church to enhance his crusades and introduce spiritual confusion, instead of preaching against Rome and its false doctrines. I don't believe Franklin Graham has renounced this connection to Rome (but I may be mistaken).
     
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    Oh dear. A reporter has some history with drugs...(who hasn't)... Thus the royal Commission he was reporting on got it all wrong.
    It is a sad indictment on our times when facts lie unrecognised because the person who informs you of them according to your opinion is morally inferior to you. And of course a reporter with a history of marijuana or ecstacy or whatever is far more evil that a whole coterie of priests who in their sermons take the moral high ground but inside are dead and corrupted.
     
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    The commission was crap and did nothing really as the same will still go on, just that they have go smarter in the way that they deal with all such things.
     
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    John Wilkes Booth - Wikipedia I don't see the trip to Rome / work as a Swiss Guard part of the story in the Wikipedia article...
     
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    Sorry, my mistake. It was a long time since reading the book. The arch conspirator was John Surrat.
    Here is an excerpt from the attached book...

    In all the history of the political assassination plots by the enemies of freedom, which for cold cal culation, malicious methods, relentless pursuit, subtle cunning, and cowardly execution, nothing can exceed the cruel murder of this greatest of all Americans, for President Lincoln was the living, breathing type in which was fulfilled the triumph of the New Con cept of Popular Government, the central postulate of which is, the consent of the governed. It was the life of Abraham Lincoln which placed this form of government forever outside an experiment where its enemies persisted in endeavoring to keep it.



    That a barefoot, nameless boy on poverty's path could, by his own efforts, reach the highest office in the gift of the American people, gave the lie to the Divine Right croakers, and merited their most unceasing hatred.



    Barring the martyrdoms of Jesus Christ and Joan D' Arc, the methods used in Abraham Lincoln's assassination will stand pre-eminent in point of malice and cruelty, and strange as it may seem, the same diabolical cunning which nerved the hand of the assassin has pursued Lincoln beyond the grave, and has been largely successful in hiding from the public all details of his physical destruction, a crime, in the eyes of the writer, which almost outstrips the first, for by this conspiracy of silence on his death, the youth of America are being deprived of the knowl edge of the details of the greatest tragedy in their country's history
     
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    Thank-you, Sir. I still don't see Booth's claimed trip to Rome / work as a Swiss Guard part of the story...
     
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    You are right... And I edited my previous post, the arch conspirator was John Surrat. It was a long time since reading the book...I think I shall read it again.
     
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    Father Adam Purdy is good, on about the truth about the crisis in the RCC now promoting Satan.

    And Bishop Fulton Sheen on about the prophecy of Stalin's and America's death is a good one to take note of what is going on nowadays.
     
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    Who hasn't had some history with drugs? Marymog hasn't ;)

    I was just havin' fun with ya' by posting that quote. You and others on here always post things that were never said (false quotes) by popes but lil'old Marymog can't post a factual quote made by someone you promote? :rolleyes:

    Havin' fun....Mary

    BTW....A sin is a sin and any sin is evil no matter if it's abusing and corrupting your body with drugs or by making false accusations against popes or The Church as you and your ilk like to do on this website.
     
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    No Western government has been willing to label predator priest and bishops as criminals, as you say and this is the whole point, of why ? why did they let all this go on, it was public knowledge to me from the late 1970's that such was taking place, more to the point this shows major corruption in our government and police, it has to be coming from the top to hide all this goings on and the way that they supressed it all, not to mention that anyone with knowledge on how the Australian police service now runs nowadays, being only a service now changes it's function and the left was the one pushing for this change totally, so now the corruption is way out of hand, not of the behalf of the average officers willingness, but from up top pressure in the way to make them hide details that the government do not want exposed for Political correct reasons, it's the government who do not want the truth in all the details exposed on certain things because it would be embarrassing to all governments, so they hide it as much as they can and the media back them up in fact, the top of the media are in cahoots with them in this, (such has to be a secret society in the workings) the owners of the media at the very top who control what is printed and is not printed, most of the media people are just brainwashed little short sighted narrow minded socialist twats, not to mention atheist morons and that means that such are truly only conniving gutless wonders at heart and just dupes at heart.
    Most socialist types are not much of a truly thinking people, they are happy to just follow orders and will not stand up and challenge there leadership.
    The Devil is in the detail if you bother to look, whistle blowers are hammered down on all sides 24/7 that one has to be very strong willed to take them on, not to mention have a lot of money to do such, many loose everything that they have in taking such on and not to mention that many people are angered at the blower because such could expose them or will put them in a bad light.

    Bishop Fulton Sheen puts it well in the workings of such that he exposes in the prophecy of Stalin and America death, on youtube you can look it up. in this you can see how the Satanist works and sells all the fools out with a kiss.

    Only the truly born again in Christ can see the working of Satan with clarity of how he works to dupe the masses into sleep with creating all such delusions, so it's much like a body that is frail and weak that we have now and such a disease will consume the life of such a body, only that this body is society.

    Just look at all the dupes that think that the Law caught up with such people and that the child molesters of the future is solved, sadly the truth is far removed from such and such is only going to increase to exceed what we ever have seen before, just look at the laws and Sodomites are in charge of every top positions of Schools, Police, Governments, you name it the grubs are up there and the game play, if one is molested has only got smarter and the molester has many more Laws more in his favour now when it comes to dealing with such things when they come to hand especially when one is a experienced molester who fully comprehends such laws in depth so he can get out of such cases and there are many who will help such grubs involved in the law. not to mention there secret society's etc that band together to help a fellow Sodomite.
    But the Child that has been molested and his family could not hold a candle to such a mob still today you will be tossed into the deep end and devoured on every front. the schools will be 100% against you first up not to mention do everything in their power to work against you and that's only the start.
    I have been saying for years that such who have been molested in schools systems need to have an non government organisation totally independent of all other organisations etc to go to that help deal with the way to go about it all, and you only go tho them first, because if you don't you have got no hope. there are that many criminal police up top and lawyers etc who are sodomites that you can just not trust at all, they are like divorce lawyers etc the lowest of the low, such have no moral dignity at all, so what chance does on have with such dogs.
     
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    Yes, I found it interesting in the thread I started using that sermon from 1914 (found in 'creative writing', that a 100 years ago priests were transferred to other parishes when their philandering with women and young girls was uncovered...and it was not an uncommon occurrence.
     
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