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Child Abuse

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by brakelite, Nov 5, 2018.

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    brakelite Well-Known Member

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    This subject comes up often. It has been suggested that child abuse is worse in some churches than in others, and that focusing on just one sector of faith is unfair and unjust.
    The recent royal Commission of inquiry into child abuse in Australia took 5 years to complete. It was fully comprehensive, investigating through legal powers granted the Commission, to delve into every faith, every institution, whether church, orphanage, school, any institution of whatever faith background, if they had anything to do with education, or the welfare of children, or otherwise, they came under the commission's very serious gaze.
    What transpired can be seen in the following report...
    Grappling with Rome: David Marr's lessons from the royal commission
     
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    The whole catholic institution is a conundrum to the world outside of their inner circle, even to those claiming to be catholic church members.

    Beginning with a JEW, appointed by Jesus, along with other JEWS to carry on Jesus' mission to speak the word of God TO the Lost Jews.

    Men in Scripture calling Jews who followed after Jesus' teachings, whom such Jews, believed Jesus to be the Jewish Christ Messiah....other men....calling them Christians.

    A group of Gentiles, calling themselves Christians, forming a church, they called catholic, and appointing a DEAD JEW, unbeknownst to him, as the First holy father, of their Gentile church......

    Totally in agreement with what Jesus had appointed this Jew (called Peter) to do....Right? LOL

    Totally in agreement with what this JEW (called Peter) did during his lifetime....Right? LOL

    Years of "appointed" Non-Jewish men, claiming the secession of KEY holders given a Jewish man BY Jesus Himself.....hummm!

    On about 1929, the Central catholic church located in Italy and the place for the catholic appointed "holy father" of the catholics to be his home......such place becomes its own independent state....
    and independent Government!

    Geographical legal Jurisdiction
    Personal legal Jurisdiction
    Subject Matter legal Jurisdiction

    Nothing NEW:
    Governments have appointed head honchos.
    Governments have appointed representatives.
    Governments have LAWS.
    Governments EXCLUDE those appointed from being SUBJECT TO the SAME scrunity and punishments, as applies to the WHOLE of the common "members" of the group.

    ( the Pharisee syndrome ... NOT promoted by Jesus....rather in fact...Jesus spoke against such behavior....yet adopted by the catholic church and independent state government )

    Nothing NEW:
    Catholic "appointees" have been subject to, The protection of their "Government"....in the same manner, Other world-wide "governments" historically have "protected" their "own" from "subjection to scrunity, punishments, of "their" government and OTHER governments!

    In short it is simply called modernly "black ops".

    While a particular "government" does not openly promote "corruption"....behind closed doors....IF one (representing the government) engages in "corruption"....keep it secret and don't get caught....Because "THE" government can not openly acknowledge or condone your "corruption".

    The catholic "government" is no different....
    To whisk away in secret, any "appointed" rep. Found in a corrupt hot mess....in hopes of "rehabilitation"....and the "public at large...the common members of the group"....none the wiser. And of course...any member of the group (public at large), who make accusations....are simply conspiracy theorists or mental cases, or conveniently booted out.

    The catholic CASE is unique...because it IS a Religious organization, under the secrecy of a state organized and recognized "government".

    The "catholic" government is as receptive to being scrutinized and investigated.....by a FOREIGN Government....as is North Korea receptive to being scrutinized and investigated by a FOREIGN Government.

    It's a Condunrum for "catholics"....
    Their Allegience is to:
    The "government" of the catholic "state"
    AND
    Supposedly the "government" of another country in which they are citizens...
    AND
    Those two Governments Laws "conflict".

    God Bless,
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    The perfect example of this whisking its own into hiding (without any recourse to sexual abusing priests etc) was the hiding of Lincolns assassin, John Wilkes Booth. While I believe 9 or so of his accomplices, all Catholics, were hung, he managed to escape into Canada where rat-lines took him to the Vatican where he served in the Swiss Guards. Can't remember if he was finally extradited or not, or whether he killed himself before hand.
    A more recent example is the fleeing of top Nazi officials into Catholic South America, where the local Catholic governments, e.g in Argentina, who had no extradition treaties with anyone, kept them safe and secure. (Until Mossad finally discovered some of them).
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Well, all in all, we deny our own blindness if we ignore the blatant fact that "Religion", both Catholic and Protestant, has long been intertwined with the politics of the respective regions. That includes Military ties and sympathies... or sometimes, resistance thereof.
     
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    I can't speak to the particulars concerning Booth.

    However it is not secret, INFLUENCE of the those TOUTED having acquired a Reputation;
    as being the Big, the Strong, the Important, the Model, the ME< ME< ME< and the one to imulate...
    Easily gains a huge "following" of people who WANT to be associated WITH that WHICH has a Famously Known group or person....

    Be it in association with Jesus Christ, catholics, protestants, islamists, world leaders, sports figures, politicos, hells angels, street gangs, hollymud or whatever.

    The TYPICAL "hard core member", of whatever "group", WILL dispite ANY question or wondering or accusation.....DEFEND to the max "the group" "THEY" have obliged themselves to be associated with.

    Personally, I associate myself with Jesus Christ. I don't require a worldly acceptable "NAME TAG" to Have my association with Jesus Christ. Nor do I have to DEFEND HIM or my association with Him.

    Concerning catholics, those who might be viewed as "hard core", spend a great deal of time, in discussions between Believers IN Christ, and those Converted IN Christ....
    By bringing up their "church Traditions" and diverting the conversation to being about "DEFENDING their "TRADITIONS"".....
    THAT...
    Non catholics have ZERO commitment to or interest in.

    Non catholics ARE Non catholics BECAUSE they are not in agreement WITH their organization.

    Non catholics ARE PRO- a different Choice, by their own election.

    Catholics running around calling EVERYONE an anti-Catholic as a derogatory slam AGAINST the other person, who does agree with the catholic views........
    on its face is laughable.....
    since their complete failure to acknowledge they themselves are ANTI every person who DOES NOT AGREE WITH A CATHOLIC VIEW.

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    OP ---> Child Abuse.

    Like everything else "ABUSE" toward "another" has been redefined to INCLUDE everything from a LOOK to RAPE.

    But yet using the single TERM "ABUSE" ...and open "CHARGE" of ABUSE....can leave the listener, absolutely believing the WORST case scenario.

    Kids are being TAUGHT, by many OTHER than their parents....

    Abuse toward a child.....ranges from not getting what they want, to being scolded, punished, hugging, a Look, being singled out, to a sexual connotation, implication, physical act......and any or all of such acts, Children are being Taught, VOID of a line, They have a third party advocate Against their parents.

    My point being; Children, as impressionable as they are, full well KNOW the difference between a hug, a pop on the behind and a sexual advancement or another intent.

    IF a parent is the culprit....a whole different set of circumstances arise....in WHO to trust, when the one a kid trusts IS the culprit.

    Certainily it becomes another dilemma for a kid, WHOSE parent has projected their TRUST, confidence, encouragement, for their child to be away from the parent and ALONE with a caretaker, teacher, relative, clergy.... WHO has the power over them, TO sexually Abuse them, and the experience and cunningness to Keep the kid hostage to secrecy and embarrassment and disappointment of...
    undermining their own parents TRUST.

    Thus....we find evidence being revealed, that numerous children "withhold" speaking out, and "live with the demeaning secrets" for years....until themselves having reached adult-hood....and disappointed because legal statatues of limits have expired....for a legal recourse Against their perpetrators.

    A conundrum for sure. And compounded, no doubt, when the Abused are subject to TWO different "Governments"....
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    Worldly Religious government
    and
    A;
    Worldly Secular government.

    Catholics and Islamists alike, are particularly subject to Two different "governments" and have been particularly scruntized, by People who are subject to the laws of a secular government.....and "those" involved as well in a Religious government.....Do not Like it.

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    Sure.
    US Representatives, elected and appointed ARE the "individuals" voice.

    Of course an individual wants their rep to reflect their voice!

    Problem is, the FALSE Perception that reps have carte blank authority to EFFECT in a legal manner, EVERY individuals VOICE.

    Say for example a Voice appears at the Office of a Rep and says...

    "I do not have an education,
    I do not money for an education,
    I have children I can not afford to feed,
    I want to stay home and not earn my own provisions,
    I want my own home,
    I want transportation,
    I want you to take from others who have loads of money and give it to me".

    Well certainly a Rep can hear their complaints, but the Problem is Corrupt Reps promising that Voice they will WRITE "unConstitutional" laws, to assure, the one with Loads of money, WILL be "legally, under "color of law".....Required to financially "support" that Voice!

    Every "seasoned" Politician has learned how to Effect the back room Deals, to Effect UnConsitutional Laws, and well aware, Passing UnConstitutional Laws, are the Easy part....Undoing them, is the Very Difficult thing to do....and the ill informed public at large are none the wiser.

    God Bless,
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