Benoni
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Guestman,
Sorry been on a trip.
According to my viepoint?
When did I give you my view point?
If anyone is giving anyone their viewpoint it would be you, seeing you have not quoted one verse in defense of your false doctrine that man has a freewill to be saved or choose salvation.
I have no idea of what you mean about the Pharsees accused people. How am I putting my self on a pedestial, it is God who chooses us instead of we choosing God, I give God the glory not carnal man.
Yes according to God’s Word not my opinion. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Greek drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Notice “No man” can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me “draw (Greek drag)” him: So how is this my view point? Read your Bible it is in th there, not like you unscriptural words "freewill or choice" when it comes to salvation.
There is no choosing when you are being quickened or dragged. Have you ever been dragged? Try tieing your self on a car and let some one of your church friends drag you down the street, is there any choice once that car starts moving?
You are the one who made the point about the Bible being worthless, here is your quote. “If one did not have free will or choice, then the Bible is useless” well showing your freewill or choice when it comes to salvation in God’s Word. These are your words not mine.
How are we the judgement seat; what are you talking about?
So you do not like the NIRV in Romans 8:20? All the translataions say the same thing. If you are so correct in your false doctine of man having a freewill or choice when it comes to salvation, then why can’t you show me one verse that declares counters these two verses in God’s Word and not from your bias and assumptions.
It is not a distoprition of scripture it is a direct cut and paste.
All I am getting is your opinion based on your assumption, you do not like what Romans 8:20 says but do you even attempt to address Ps. 90: 1-3. This verse says the same thing.
You said” To say that Adam was not given free will, goes contrary to the Bible” Chapter and verse please? No assumptions accepted seeing I have giving to two verses that declares Adam and Eve had no choice and it was God’s plan.
Who put Adam and Eve in the garden?
Who made them innocent?
Who put the Tree of Good in the Garden?
Who lowered man from a pure spirit creature, created by God in his own image and his owned likeness on the sixth day, to a creature that was formed from the dust of the earth of the seveneth day.
Who placed a liar, a manslayer and a murderer in the garden with Adam and Eve who were innocent.
It was God. It was God’s plan long before Adam and Eve were created. God even had a savior before he had a sinner. Romans 8:20 declares this and so does Psalm 90: 1-3 and you do not have one verse to counter this scriptural fact.
By the way his name is not Jehovah God, He has many names.
Sorry been on a trip.
According to my viepoint?
When did I give you my view point?
If anyone is giving anyone their viewpoint it would be you, seeing you have not quoted one verse in defense of your false doctrine that man has a freewill to be saved or choose salvation.
I have no idea of what you mean about the Pharsees accused people. How am I putting my self on a pedestial, it is God who chooses us instead of we choosing God, I give God the glory not carnal man.
Yes according to God’s Word not my opinion. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Greek drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Notice “No man” can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me “draw (Greek drag)” him: So how is this my view point? Read your Bible it is in th there, not like you unscriptural words "freewill or choice" when it comes to salvation.
There is no choosing when you are being quickened or dragged. Have you ever been dragged? Try tieing your self on a car and let some one of your church friends drag you down the street, is there any choice once that car starts moving?
You are the one who made the point about the Bible being worthless, here is your quote. “If one did not have free will or choice, then the Bible is useless” well showing your freewill or choice when it comes to salvation in God’s Word. These are your words not mine.
How are we the judgement seat; what are you talking about?
So you do not like the NIRV in Romans 8:20? All the translataions say the same thing. If you are so correct in your false doctine of man having a freewill or choice when it comes to salvation, then why can’t you show me one verse that declares counters these two verses in God’s Word and not from your bias and assumptions.
It is not a distoprition of scripture it is a direct cut and paste.
All I am getting is your opinion based on your assumption, you do not like what Romans 8:20 says but do you even attempt to address Ps. 90: 1-3. This verse says the same thing.
You said” To say that Adam was not given free will, goes contrary to the Bible” Chapter and verse please? No assumptions accepted seeing I have giving to two verses that declares Adam and Eve had no choice and it was God’s plan.
Who put Adam and Eve in the garden?
Who made them innocent?
Who put the Tree of Good in the Garden?
Who lowered man from a pure spirit creature, created by God in his own image and his owned likeness on the sixth day, to a creature that was formed from the dust of the earth of the seveneth day.
Who placed a liar, a manslayer and a murderer in the garden with Adam and Eve who were innocent.
It was God. It was God’s plan long before Adam and Eve were created. God even had a savior before he had a sinner. Romans 8:20 declares this and so does Psalm 90: 1-3 and you do not have one verse to counter this scriptural fact.
By the way his name is not Jehovah God, He has many names.