Christ Died for All

[One 2 question]

Do you ever wonder why PUAL did that . Now notice when he did he said THIS IS NOT the commandment of the LORD .
Now i have a questoin for you .
WHY do you THINK paul wrote IF the unbelieving spouse wants to remain , LET THEM .
WHY was it NOT a COMMANDMENT , YET ITS Actually got good wisdom in it .

Sure. Good wisdom. But not from the Lord.

Personally I'm ok to consider what HE thinks. But it was of Paul, not the Lord.

PAUL , thus made sure to say THIS IS NOT a commnadment from the LORD .

In only two cases in the letters did paul make this case . BUT everything else was COMING as a direct commandment BY THE SPIRIT .

Thanks for the information

But we both know why , the why you want to beleive certain things were MADE UP by paul and others .
COULD IT BE SOMETHING perhaps written IN ROMANS ONE that do EXPOSE certain sins .

I would say you have no idea about me and what is behind my questioning.

Most folks love sin and by golly they will sit under what tickles that ear . BUT reader and all beware
THE END of such a one

Many sure have, are and will be deceived by other humans and spirits.

 

[One 2 question]

What IS Plainly taught in Scripture IS sufficiant for any individual to Discover HOW TO establish and maintain a Lasting and Forever Relationship with God.

I believe that through scriptures God has expressed His thoughts. But obviously only an extremely small percentage.

I consume rice as a beneficial means of providing me sustenance so I can live out my life.

But is that all the food God has provided for me to grow? Of course not. There are many many other sources of food out there. All of which God has made available.

if you want to stick with just the scriptures thats fine. Bon Appétit.

The Texts reveal First-hand account in Jesus’ Words…as well as…the Gospel According TO…the testimonies of those in Jesus’ presence.

Again, a fraction of spiritual manna from heaven. Enjoy

 

[One 2 question]

You are confused if you think Paul was making stuff up as he went along and the Lord did not lead Him in what to write.

We have established that already, that Paul wrote down some things that were his good wisdom but not from the Lord.

The devil loves to trick people in to accepting such lies so they will end up not believing God's Word.

Why do you continually use the term God's word as what was written down and compiled into the many biblical canons? God's words, every word that proceeds from the mouth of God is not found in the pages of the bibles.

And when you speak it's not on the same level as scripture.

The same Spirit Who communicated to and through Moses also communicated to and through Solomon, Amos, Peter, John, Jesus, Paul. The same Divine Spirit of God communicates to and through the members of Christ (body).

Does God show partiality?

And yet scripture is still above what we think or say.

What I have said and someone wrote down isn't lesser or greater than what I say now. Both are my word.

If what one thinks and says does not agree with scripture, then they speak in behalf of the devil

We've already established this to be incorrect.

God's written word to Moses, Do not kill.

God's spoken word to Joshua, kill everyone, men, women, children and animals.

God was not happy when they didn't kill them all according to His spoken word and against His written word.

The oracles of God did not come thru the catholic church or the protestant church.

The catholic church and the protestant church twisted scripture and gave us doctrines of demons courtesy of the devil.

????

That's the devil's teaching that God decided some people are assigned to hell before they were even born.

I guess that's why He conceived and created the lake of fire to accommodate them all.

YOU may be one of the one's God assigned to hell and will learn of your fate when you die and go to hell.

I've been born again into Father's family, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and sealed by the Divine Spirit of God. Not according to my good deeds but Their choosing and preserving me to the end. Praise be to God!

This being based on the false doctrine of limited atonement which is a doctrine of demons.

Judge me if you will. But the Spirit in both Paul and I know this.... for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him for that day.

It's too bad you have not accepted all the Lord says on this subject in His Word which is how satan deceived you on this.

Continue to judge me if you will. But I encourage you to ask the Spirit of God to give you direct insight and discernment concerning those you are tempted to judge.

And there ladies and gentlemen we see the open door satan uses to bring in false doctrine.

What door is that? Personally the only door I use to enter into the presence of God, is Christ. What door do you use my friend? I hope He's your door.

Jesus personally oversaw when went in to God's canon and He included in scripture all the things He wants and needs mankind to know and be aware of.

Who told you this? Did the Spirit Himself reveal this to you?

There's nothing in the bibles saying this.

That sounds like a huge assumption.

Have you not done research into the history of the various biblical canons. There has been many many changes, debates, indecision, division so I doubt Jesus told each of the decision makers what He wants in a closed biblical canon.

In fact I doubt Jesus asked anyone to compile one in the first place, let alone to close it off to His further revelations to His people.

 

[PS95]

Jehovah the true living God is my God. Jesus is his son. There is only 1 God. --Isaiah 44:6- I am YHVH(Jehovah) beside me ( not we) there is no other God. The mislead using altered translations believe ERRORS over Gods truth=sad.

Isaiah 44:6 (LSB)
“Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts: ‘I am the first, and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me."
Rev 1:17
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,

Please don't tell me that JWs also removed "first and last" from Isaiah 44:6? I hope not!
How is it that basic common sense doesn't tell you that is impossible to have 2 firsts and lasts?

and first = alpha, last = omega in Greek alphabet. So don't go there with me.

 

[One 2 question]

As you know, I reject your NIV version of the Bible because it's a perverted and abominable translation. The Holy Bible is Gods Word, He promised to torment those who pervert His Word, in the lake of fire.

If you care to read any of the unprevented correct translations of the Bible, you would find that they never ascribe such foolish words as "plan" to God. God is not blind, He can see all of time, from the beginning to the end at this moment. He ordained everything to happen exactly as it's happening, down to the last detail. So it's utterly foolish to suggest that God would plan what He already signed, sealed and delivered.

The faithful translation of Jer 29:11 is - For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

As you can see there's no foolish plan to speak of in the original faithful translation. The NIV translators,, deliberately undermine Gods Word, in order to deceive you

So are you saying that the Creator doesn't make any plans whatsoever?

 

[One 2 question]

God doesn't make any plans, man is the one who makes plans and then hopes that everything falls into place for his plan to work out. God simply decrees something and it is as good as done and nothing can change it, He also spoke all things into existence. He didn't need to make plans to create anything, so I don't think it appropriate to say that God planned anything.

So God hasn't made any plans for Satan and His angels? No lake of fire? He will just speak it into existence when God determines its necessary?

At the moment God has no idea He is going to intentionally send Satan into the abyss for 1000 years.

John just had an over-active imagination.

 

[Taken]

Jehovah the true living God is my God. Jesus is his son. There is only 1 God. --Isaiah 44:6- I am YHVH(Jehovah) beside me ( not we) there is no other God. The mislead using altered translations believe ERRORS over Gods truth=sad.

Jehovah the true living God is my God. Jesus is his son. There is only 1 God. --Isaiah 44:6- I am YHVH(Jehovah) beside me ( not we) there is no other God. The mislead using altered translations believe ERRORS over Gods truth=sad.

Who / What can come forth OUT from YOU, but what is YOU yourself?

Your soul?
Your spirit?
Your blood?
Your word?

Jesus (The WORD of God) Speaking;

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

You do well to call Jesus “The Son of God”.
You do better to “Understand” the mystery;
God prepared a body for His Word, for Earthly mens EYES to SEE face to face.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Gods Declaration;
Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Christian Soldier]

So are you saying that the Creator doesn't make any plans whatsoever?

Yes absolutely, you only make plans if you are not in full control over your creation. I get the sense that you don't believe that God is in full control over every single aspect of His creation. This means that He is absolutely sovereign over all things, including who is saved and who is left condemned in their sin.

Please correct me if I have mistaken you, but would say that man has a measure of autonomy, whereby he can make decisions and choices as an autonomous creature, without Gods approval or disapproval. I'm just trying to understand your theology to see if it is biblically correct or if you're relying on your own private views and feelings.

 

[Taken]

Not all translations have that error you posted--Thought it not robbery.

What is YOUR Point?

The point in Scripture is The …
Equality regarding LORD and Lord…

What is in you mind?
They NOT Equal?

 

[Christian Soldier]

So God hasn't made any plans for Satan and His angels? No lake of fire? He will just speak it into existence when God determines its necessary?

At the moment God has no idea He is going to intentionally send Satan into the abyss for 1000 years.

John just had an over-active imagination.

That's right, God never made any plans form Satan and His Angels. Neither did He make any plans for the lake of fire or anything else.

God never spoke anything into existence, when He thought it was necessary. To suggest that God is going to send Satan into the lake of fire for a 1000 years is absolutely foolish, there is nothing in the Bible to support such foolish ideas.

The Apostle John recorded the revelations and visions which Jesus revealed to him, the best way he could. He obviously didn't know what all of these things meant at the time, but he did his best to describe the visions and revelations given to him at the time. Please consider the fact that Apache Helicopters didn't exist in his day.

 

[One 2 question]

God never spoke anything into existence, when He thought it was necessary. To suggest that God is going to send Satan into the lake of fire for a 1000 years is absolutely foolish, there is nothing in the Bible to support such foolish ideas.

No I never said God is going to send Satan to the lake of fire for 1000 years. John said the abyss.

 

[Taken]

I believe that through scriptures God has expressed His thoughts. But obviously only an extremely small percentage.

I consume rice as a beneficial means of providing me sustenance so I can live out my life.

But is that all the food God has provided for me to grow? Of course not. There are many many other sources of food out there. All of which God has made available.

if you want to stick with just the scriptures thats fine. Bon Appétit.

Again, a fraction of spiritual manna from heaven. Enjoy

My perspective, in my words.
May or may not parallel your perspective.

Scripture IS Full of KNOWLEDGE.
(all knowledge? Of course not)

Is all Scriptural KNOWLEDGE TRUE? Yes.

The World is Full of KNOWLEDGE.
(Conversations, media, books, movies, videos, texts, reports, journals, laws, experiments, polls, teachers, preachers, Etc Etc.)

Is all the World KNOWLEDGE TRUE? No.

UNDERSTANDING of Scriptural Knowledge, comes FROM the Lord God, TO a man, which any man can accept or reject.

UNDERSTANDING of World Knowledge comes from MINDS of men, guessing, ciphering, half facts, blind trust, logically deducing, etc. For any man to Accept or Reject, at any time.

Is Gods Spiritual Knowledge Confined to written Scripture ? Of course Not.

Does God GIVE “every man” All of His Knowledge? No

Does God GIVE “every man”…”His Knowledge and Understanding” “Equally”? No.

Some men “SEEK…ASK” for more and Receive more.
Some men do Not SEEK or ASK for more, Nor Receive more.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So called eternal security teaching aka once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons.

lol. Tell that to Jesus He not only taught it, He instituted it on the cross

Those that don't accept the whole counsel of God follow false eternal security teaching

Those who do not follow the whole council reject the promise of God

2 Peter 2:20 - For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2 Peter 2:20 is an example of someone who was legitimately born again but backslid and went back to their sin and in the end they are not saved and will be worse of in eternity than if they had never gotten born again in the first place.

Well sadly you have to be saved first. If your faith is in self and how good you are and what you do. You have failed to repent. So as a dog.. your still a dog..

Those falsely claiming one can never lose their salvation cause others to stumble and are turning the grace of the Lord in to lasciviousness - Jude 1:4

lol.. John said it is the knowledge we HAVE eternal life. not the fact we are trying to earn it, That's keeps us in saving faith

Jude, Like peter in chapter 2 of his second epistle. and James in his second chapter is speaking against licentious believers/. who are make believers who never repented. hence never had true faith, hence were never saved.

Those who truly have been born again put off the old man and put on the new man which is created in righteousness and true holiness being set apart unto the Lord being led by the Holy Spirit Who leads true believers to do good works and to NOT walk after the flesh.

Amen.. And because of this. they could never fall back to being a dog.. who loves their vomit (sin)

but it is not them who keep themselves. it is Christ who keeps them.

where is your faith in Christ.

Paul said he is confident of this one thing, that he who BEGAN a good work in us (the moment of salvation) Will complete that work.

why are you relying on self not God?

The fruit of the Spirit (results of the Holy Spirit living in true believers) is to do good works.
Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Amen..

They do them BECAUSE they are saved, because they have faith.

not to keep saved.. this is legalism, and denies the cross.

God has ORDAINED His people to walk in good works, but the tares object to this because they have been deceived and indoctrinated by the fake gospel of reformed theology and or catholic theology all of which is based on the teachings of augustine who was a gnostic who claimed he has "special" revelation that did not come from God's Word. He was demon possessed with deception.

Ephesians 4:24 - And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14 - But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Hebrews 9:14 - How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Romans 6:4-6 - Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Colossians 3:5,6 - Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

ok dude..

You seem to have alot of knowledge of what the wor45d days.. Sadly, like many jews. just because you can quote it does not mean you know it.

All these people are saved. They were made new creatures. They are no longer dogs, no longer swine. no longer enemies of God. they are Gods children.

We obey God because we trust God. and he is trustworthy. we obey God because when we start to stray he chastens us. We obey God because God ins in the process of sanctifying us.

we do not obey God to keep ourselves saved.

Good luck with that.

Feel free to disobey the Lord and see where that leads.

Feel free to mock his cross. and see where it leads. Jude and 1 Peter 2 would be a great place to start to see what God does to those who deny the work of Jesus

What part of my post suggested that reaping what we sow did not apply to me?

the part where you think you can be good enough to earn salvation.

I see you have the speculation thing going on over there.

Nah, your not the first legalist I have come across. the bible is full of them, and these chat rooms are fool of them. they claim to love and receive the power of God. but then they deny its power. as if man can overcome God.

yeah good luck with this

By the leading of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ I mock false grace that the majority of churches and preachers teach today that came out of reformed theology which is doctrines of demons.

You mock the gospel in reality my friend. Like every false teacher before you. You use human intelligence not Gods wisdom to make it appear you talk and walk with God. but in reality, you have still failed to repent.

But feel free to engage and follow the false doctrine of reformed theology or catholic teachings which ever you are fond of and see where you end up.

I reject both of them,, Just like I reject legalistic teaching

Paul said there is one gospel.

Jesus said I am the only way

You want to add works. feel free. You will not like Jesus answer. when he says depart from me

As a child of God I'm to submit to the leading of the Lord so I won't be obeying your demands. Sorry.

Its not my demands.

And I will pray you do submit to God.. all i see is you puffing yourself up and boasting in your works. and your theology. Not God..

if yuo boasted in Christ, you would not talk as you do

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're not saying that anyone who receive revelation that doesn’t come from God's expressed thoughts given to certain humans now recorded in the bible, are all demon possessed with deception are you?

Maybe you need to clarify your use of the word, "special" revelation.

2 peter 2: 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Maybe you never saw the Greek--At Both John 1:1 and 2 Cor 4:4-The Word and satan are called the same Greek word while the true God is called another Greek word. The reason why = God and god--The Word is a god, not God. Catholicism( 2Thess 2:3) put God at John 1:1 to the Word., they erred to fit false council teachings. The Greek word given to the Word and to satan translates the exact same at both spots=reality. Small g god= has godlike qualities.

You you believe Jesus is not God an d He is not God's Word as John 1:1 clearly tells us that He is?

Careful, that's what satan is claiming so you might want to rethink that because you speak as though you agree with the lies satan is making up about Jesus

We have established that already, that Paul wrote down some things that were his good wisdom but not from the Lord.

If the Lord was not leading Him to have that wisdom, or if the Lord was not in agreement with what Paul said the Lord would not have allowed it to be put in to His canon

You are claiming the Lord allowed things to be put in to His canon that are lies, that He is not in agreement with which is dangerous ground to be standing on as this is satan's position that one cannot trust God's Word. If this is your position then you have been deceived by satan.

Why do you continually use the term God's word as what was written down and compiled into the many biblical canons? God's words, every word that proceeds from the mouth of God is not found in the pages of the bibles.

Everything God desires for man to know IS in fact included in God's written Word.

The only exceptions would be personal choices that need to be made during one's like such as: Should I marry this woman? Should I buy this particular house? Should I take this job

But, God's written Word contains instructions on how to get His leading in our personal lives so His Word is what Jesus ordained to be put in to written form.

Over in the charismatic world and in the catholic world as well as all the denominations, they love to say "Not everything God said is in the bible" which is used to bring in false doctrine and damnable heresies. It's one of satan's favorite religious tricks and satan is very religious transforming himself in to an angle of light in his efforts to deceive people.

The same Spirit Who communicated to and through Moses also communicated to and through Solomon, Amos, Peter, John, Jesus, Paul. The same Divine Spirit of God communicates to and through the members of Christ (body).

Does God show partiality?

When you speak it's not on the same level as scripture.

What I have said and someone wrote down isn't lesser or greater than what I say now. Both are my word.

When you speak it's not on the same level as scripture.

We've already established this to be incorrect.

No, the devil deceived you in to not accepting God's Word which places you in direct opposition to the Lord.
You just have not become aware of it yet having been blinded by the devil's deception that tricked you in to not believing Jesus personally managed and oversaw what God wants man to know to be put in to written form. That's too bad for you!

????

????

I guess that's why He conceived and created the lake of fire to accommodate them all.

It's the devil's teaching that claims God does not want all to be saved which is in direct opposition to what the Lord says in His Word.

Of course the devil deceived you in to rejecting what God said which makes it easy for the devil to insert his thoughts in to your thinking. That's too bad for you!

Continue to judge me if you will. But I encourage you to ask the Spirit of God to give you direct insight and discernment concerning those you are tempted to judge.

God has already said in His Word that those who walk in darkness are not of Him, and since the devil deceived you in to rejecting what God said which makes it easy for the devil to insert his thoughts in to your thinking. That's too bad for you!

Personally the only door I use to enter into the presence of God, is Christ.

You admitted that you do not accept what Jesus Who is THE Christ said in His Word. That's too bad for you!

In fact I doubt Jesus asked anyone to compile one in the first place

That's what the devil keeps saying. That's too bad for you!

 

[Keiw]

Who / What can come forth OUT from YOU, but what is YOU yourself?

Your soul?
Your spirit?
Your blood?
Your word?

Jesus (The WORD of God) Speaking;

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

You do well to call Jesus “The Son of God”.
You do better to “Understand” the mystery;
God prepared a body for His Word, for Earthly mens EYES to SEE face to face.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Gods Declaration;
Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?


Glory to God,
Taken

Job1:6--Sons of God entered in before him.
Rom 8:14--All lead by the spirit are Gods sons

 

[Keiw]

What is YOUR Point?

The point in Scripture is The …
Equality regarding LORD and Lord…

What is in you mind?
They NOT Equal?

If they were equal-The authority in heaven and on earth would have already belonged to Jesus, same as the judging, same as being king. But God gave these things to Jesus, only one greater can give those things.

 

[Keiw]

You you believe Jesus is not God an d He is not God's Word as John 1:1 clearly tells us that He is?

Careful, that's what satan is claiming so you might want to rethink that because you speak as though you agree with the lies satan is making up about Jesus



If the Lord was not leading Him to have that wisdom, or if the Lord was not in agreement with what Paul said the Lord would not have allowed it to be put in to His canon

You are claiming the Lord allowed things to be put in to His canon that are lies, that He is not in agreement with which is dangerous ground to be standing on as this is satan's position that one cannot trust God's Word. If this is your position then you have been deceived by satan.



Everything God desires for man to know IS in fact included in God's written Word.

The only exceptions would be personal choices that need to be made during one's like such as: Should I marry this woman? Should I buy this particular house? Should I take this job

But, God's written Word contains instructions on how to get His leading in our personal lives so His Word is what Jesus ordained to be put in to written form.

Over in the charismatic world and in the catholic world as well as all the denominations, they love to say "Not everything God said is in the bible" which is used to bring in false doctrine and damnable heresies. It's one of satan's favorite religious tricks and satan is very religious transforming himself in to an angle of light in his efforts to deceive people.



When you speak it's not on the same level as scripture.



When you speak it's not on the same level as scripture.



No, the devil deceived you in to not accepting God's Word which places you in direct opposition to the Lord.
You just have not become aware of it yet having been blinded by the devil's deception that tricked you in to not believing Jesus personally managed and oversaw what God wants man to know to be put in to written form. That's too bad for you!


????



It's the devil's teaching that claims God does not want all to be saved which is in direct opposition to what the Lord says in His Word.

Of course the devil deceived you in to rejecting what God said which makes it easy for the devil to insert his thoughts in to your thinking. That's too bad for you!



God has already said in His Word that those who walk in darkness are not of Him, and since the devil deceived you in to rejecting what God said which makes it easy for the devil to insert his thoughts in to your thinking. That's too bad for you!



You admitted that you do not accept what Jesus Who is THE Christ said in His Word. That's too bad for you!



That's what the devil keeps saying. That's too bad for you!

Yes Jesus is Gods word, but he is not God, he is Gods son.

 

[One 2 question]

If the Lord was not leading Him to have that wisdom, or if the Lord was not in agreement with what Paul said the Lord would not have allowed it to be put in to His canon

Who said that? That's only your opinion. There is no mention of this in all of the bible.

 

[One 2 question]

You are claiming the Lord allowed things to be put in to His canon that are lies

Who said Jesus wanted a canon compiled in the first place? When did Jesus say that?