Christ Died for All

[Keiw]

That's funny, the Father called Jesus God.

You wouldn't accuse God of lying now would you?

Hebrews 1:6 - And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Read it and weep as they say

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

The Father is God, Jesus is God, and Holy Spirit is God.

As long as you are trying to understand God with that peanut brain of yours you'll never get it.

None of us can understand God outside of what He says in His Word and we must accept it.

But nobody to expects the JWs to understand anything being in a cult and all.

You have error translating at Heb1:6--Because all who understand English for self can see 100% Heb 1:4--If God didn't give Jesus that name he would be equal to the angels. As well-Psalm 45:7--Anointed( Jesus) with the oil of exultation more than his companions( angels)

 

[Keiw]

lol

the jews crucified him on the bases he called himself God. that was the blasphemy they got him on. Its funny how those who crucified knew what he said more than you

Jesus told the Jewish leaders-they were liars and their Father was the devil--so they were wrong. Jesus NEVER committed blasphemy as they said. Why do you believe liars? Did you believe it when they said his power came from the leader of the demons as well? There hate filled hearts never said 1 truth about Jesus.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus told the Jewish leaders-they were liars and their Father was the devil--so they were wrong. Jesus NEVER committed blasphemy as they said. Why do you believe liars? Did you believe it when they said his power came from the leader of the demons as well? There hate filled hearts never said 1 truth about Jesus.

I will be straight with you. If Jesus was not God your still dead in your sin as am I. And god has not answered satans accusation against him

 

[One 2 question]

Yes absolutely, you only make plans if you are not in full control over your creation. I get the sense that you don't believe that God is in full control over every single aspect of His creation. This means that He is absolutely sovereign over all things, including who is saved and who is left condemned in their sin.

Please correct me if I have mistaken you, but would say that man has a measure of autonomy, whereby he can make decisions and choices as an autonomous creature, without Gods approval or disapproval. I'm just trying to understand your theology to see if it is biblically correct or if you're relying on your own private views and feelings.

Thanks for sharing your insights and asking good challenging questions.

I have had to stop and seek the Spirit about your understanding and I'm waiting for His response.

I did explore God's sovereignty and how He exercises it. And foreknowledge. And whether He created a script then acted on it. Or not.

Thanks again.

 

[Keiw]

I will be straight with you. If Jesus was not God your still dead in your sin as am I. And god has not answered satans accusation against him

Jesus'ransom sacrifice opened the door to all for salvation. Gods perfect justice= A perfect mortal rebelled and sinned losing salvation for any. perfect justice = A perfect mortal lived sinless, yet paid in full the wages of sin he did not owe=opening the door for any to enter the narrow gate-Few have. God did not come down here. God sent his son( John 3:16-17)

 

[One 2 question]

Jesus'ransom sacrifice opened the door to all for salvation. Gods perfect justice= A perfect mortal rebelled and sinned losing salvation for any. perfect justice = A perfect mortal lived sinless, yet paid in full the wages of sin he did not owe=opening the door for any to enter the narrow gate-Few have. God did not come down here. God sent his son( John 3:16-17)

Question: did God send His Messiah, Lamb, Shepherd, Son in those forms or identities? Or did God's Son Jesus only become a son when He was conceived in Mary by God's Spirit. Then and only from that time was unto a child born and Son was given?

Was Jesus already a Son of God/Son of Man in heaven?

 

[Keiw]

Question: did God send His Messiah, Lamb, Shepherd, Son in those forms or identities? Or did God's Son Jesus only become a son when He was conceived in Mary by God's Spirit. Then and only from that time was unto a child born and Son was given?

Was Jesus already a Son of God/Son of Man in heaven?

All who live to do Jehovah's will are considered sons.( Job 1:6--SONS entered in before Jehovah) Jesus always lives to do his Fathers will.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus'ransom sacrifice opened the door to all for salvation. Gods perfect justice= A perfect mortal rebelled and sinned losing salvation for any. perfect justice = A perfect mortal lived sinless, yet paid in full the wages of sin he did not owe=opening the door for any to enter the narrow gate-Few have. God did not come down here. God sent his son( John 3:16-17)

A mortal man can die for one man.

He can not die for the whole human race.

again, If Jesus is not God, your still dead in your sin. as am I

 

[Keiw]

A mortal man can die for one man.

He can not die for the whole human race.

again, If Jesus is not God, your still dead in your sin. as am I

God made the provision-1 perfect being buying back what 1 perfect being lost.= perfect justice.= an eye for an eye-Perfect balance on Gods justice scales.
NONE who has a God is God=FACT. Jesus has a God. And will be in subjection forever after handing the kingdom back-1Cor 15:24-28--God is in subjection to no one.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God made the provision-1 perfect being buying back what 1 perfect being lost.= perfect justice.= an eye for an eye-Perfect balance on Gods justice scales.
NONE who has a God is God=FACT. Jesus has a God. And will be in subjection forever after handing the kingdom back-1Cor 15:24-28--God is in subjection to no one.

Your dead in your sin then

Good day .

I will recieve the love of God

 

[Keiw]

Your dead in your sin then

Good day .

I will recieve the love of God

You are being mislead. No wonder Jesus teaches-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
Tell me which is which?
The narrow gate=1 single path=1 single religion, a worldwide brotherhood, unified in love, peace, and unity and thought= JW religion))))(
1 Cor 1:10)= unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division
The broad and spacious path-hundreds of trinity based religions with hundreds of different truths on matters

So in light of 1 Cor 1:10--which is which?

 

[Christian Soldier]

No I never said God is going to send Satan to the lake of fire for 1000 years. John said the abyss.

Thanks for clearing that up, your right. Nobody is currently in the lake of fire, and we have been in Christs millennial reign, ever since He bound up Satan in great chains 2000 years ago.
Satan is powerless to stop Gods elect from being saved, He was disabled and made powerless to stop Christ from saving every single person His Father gave Him before He created the world.

Gods people can never lose their salvation, because salvation was never something they never earned or possessed. Our salvation is in the hands of God, so it's impossible for anyone to overpower God to snatch us from His hand.

Hell is a holding place for all of those who are not saved, it is not their eternal dwelling place. Their eternal abode will be the lake of fire, the Lord Jesus Christ will cast every sinner into the lake of fire on judgement day. The 1000 years mentioned in the bible is not a literal 1000 years, it's only used to describe a long time.

The Church has enjoyed 2000 years of unopposed growth, it has flourished and it's growing exponentially while Satan and His Demons are bound up in the abyss. They are powerless to stop the gospel from going out into every nation, tribe and tongue on the planet. Nothing can stop God from adding every single elect child of His, from being added to the Body of Christ.

Satan and His Demons will be loosed from their bondage for a short period, just before the final judgement. But they still won't be able to stop a single elect child of God from being saved. All they will do is reek havoc on the world, just before Jesus completley destroys this world with super hot lava and created a brand new world.

 

[Keiw]

Thanks for clearing that up, your right. Nobody is currently in the lake of fire, and we have been in Christs millennial reign, ever since He bound up Satan in great chains 2000 years ago.
Satan is powerless to stop Gods elect from being saved, He was disabled and made powerless to stop Christ from saving every single person His Father gave Him before He created the world.

Gods people can never lose their salvation, because salvation was never something they never earned or possessed. Our salvation is in the hands of God, so it's impossible for anyone to overpower God to snatch us from His hand.

Hell is a holding place for all of those who are not saved, it is not their eternal dwelling place. Their eternal abode will be the lake of fire, the Lord Jesus Christ will cast every sinner into the lake of fire on judgement day. The 1000 years mentioned in the bible is not a literal 1000 years, it's only used to describe a long time.

The Church has enjoyed 2000 years of unopposed growth, it has flourished and it's growing exponentially while Satan and His Demons are bound up in the abyss. They are powerless to stop the gospel from going out into every nation, tribe and tongue on the planet. Nothing can stop God from adding every single elect child of His, from being added to the Body of Christ.

Satan and His Demons will be loosed from their bondage for a short period, just before the final judgement. But they still won't be able to stop a single elect child of God from being saved. All they will do is reek havoc on the world, just before Jesus completley destroys this world with super hot lava and created a brand new world.

Actually the resurrected will get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will,( with no satan influences under Jesus 1000 year reign) and many resurrected don't even know Jesus, they will learn about him as well. Then satan is loosed to test their faith-many fail it teaches at Rev 20. Any can believe and be told as you say are the elect( Like these-Matt 7:21-23)--But one must endure until their end to be saved( Matt 10:22)- thus when a minister tells another--you are saved-he is a blind guide. Run from those. Endure what= Living now to do Jesus' Fathers will over self in this satan ruled system.( Matt 7:21) just as Jesus did.

 

[One 2 question]

The 1000 years mentioned in the bible is not a literal 1000 years, it's only used to describe a long time.

When did God tell you this? John didn't.

Why do you need the specific quote 'a thousand years' to mean something else? Is it to try to fit some other agenda or doctrine?

 

[Dash RipRock]

Scripture IS Full of KNOWLEDGE.
(all knowledge? Of course not)

Scripture in fact contains all the teaching from the Lord that He wants man to have.

1 Corinthians 4:6 - you should learn not to go beyond what is written

Extra biblical teaching is demonic twisting of scripture to lead people astray from the Lord back on to the highway to hell so they end up in hell.

 

[One 2 question]

Scripture in fact contains all the teaching from the Lord that He wants man to have.

Who said that? Paul didn't

1 Corinthians 4:6 - you should learn not to go beyond what is written

What was Paul refering to when he said above that which is written? Obviously not the bible as there was no biblical canon when he wrote this.

Extra biblical teaching is demonic twisting of scripture to lead people astray from the Lord back on to the highway to hell so they end up in hell.

So anything that was written beyond or after what Paul had already written to this point in time is beyond what is written (past tense).

eg. What John wrote in his scroll on Patmos was beyond what was written.

Also all these were written after Paul wrote this...you should learn not to go beyond what is (already) written

II Corinthians • Galatians • Romans • James • Colossians • Philemon • Ephesians • Philippians • I Peter • II Peter • Hebrews • I Timothy • Titus • II Timothy • Jude • I John • II John • III John • Revelation

Is this what you are saying to us?

 

[One 2 question]

Extra biblical teaching is demonic twisting of scripture to lead people astray from the Lord back on to the highway to hell so they end up in hell.

Who said this? Who said anything new God speaks is demonic? Who said it will lead people astray from the Lord? I would challenge you on your statement. Because Jesus or Paul didn't say these words.

You have gone beyond what is written. According to your interpretation of what Paul wrote.

 

[One 2 question]

these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

My question is, whose writtings was Paul refering to, 'which is written '?