Christ does not Create a Sin Nature nor Spirit

[robert derrick]

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

There is nothing, whether spirit or nature, that is made, created, and exists, that is not nor was not created by Christ.

If Christ created or creates a sin spirit or nature in man at birth, whether in the seed of man, or in the flesh and bones of man, or in soul and spirit of man, then Christ would indeed be the one tempting man to sin, Man would simply be following their Christ-made sin spirit or nature into sinning.

James 1 is written to deny this lie of the devil, that Christ is the tempter and devil.

Unrighteous christian sinners believe this lie as an excuse for sinning in the flesh, and those who preach are tempters to seduce other Christians to accept being unrighteous sinners for life as they.

 

[robert derrick]

If a sin spirit or nature exists, it is Christ who created and creates it.

And so, the reason all men have sinned, is simply because they were created and made to sin by Christ.

And the fact that Christ did not sin, is only because He did not enter into the world with His own sin spirit or nature in His soul nor flesh.

Christ would then be a hypocrite for sinning not, while judging other men worthy of death, for being born to sin and sinning.

Those claiming Christ created a sin spirit or nature for man to be born with, are calling Christ the tempter and devil, who is against man from doing righteousness after birth.

 

[Bob Estey]

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

There is nothing, whether spirit or nature, that is made, created, and exists, that is not nor was not created by Christ.

If Christ created or creates a sin spirit or nature in man at birth, whether in the seed of man, or in the flesh and bones of man, or in soul and spirit of man, then Christ would indeed be the one tempting man to sin, Man would simply be following their Christ-made sin spirit or nature into sinning.

James 1 is written to deny this lie of the devil, that Christ is the tempter and devil.

Unrighteous christian sinners believe this lie as an excuse for sinning in the flesh, and those who preach are tempters to seduce other Christians to accept being unrighteous sinners for life as they.

I would say we create our own sin nature when we first decide to sin - it is like an addiction.
But God knows we are going to make mistakes. So the real question is: How long does it take us to learn from our mistakes?

 

[robert derrick]

I would say we create our own sin nature when we first decide to sin - it is like an addiction.
But God knows we are going to make mistakes. So the real question is: How long does it take us to learn from our mistakes?

Other than trying to call sinning with the devil, mistakes, you put it well, that man makes himself a sinner with sin nature of his own spirit, even as Lucifer did with his.

Mistakes are imperfections of mortal flesh, such as burping, tripping, and forgetting things, they are not sinning with the devil against God.

 

[Bob Estey]

Other than trying to call sinning with the devil, mistakes, you put it well, that man makes himself a sinner with sin nature of his own spirit, even as Lucifer did with his.

Mistakes are imperfections of mortal flesh, such as burping, tripping, and forgetting things, they are not sinning with the devil against God.

By mistakes, I mean wrong choices - giving into the temptation of doing selfish things.

 

[robert derrick]

By mistakes, I mean wrong choices - giving into the temptation of doing selfish things.

Giving into temptation to sin is sinning. A mistake is forgetting where the car keys are.

Dumbing down sinning to become mistakes is not good.

We must confess sinning to God for forgiveness, which is paid for by the blood of the Lamb, not making mistakes.

 

[Bob Estey]

By mistakes, I mean wrong choices - giving into the temptation of doing selfish things.

Are you saying that selfishness isn't sin?

 

[robert derrick]

Are you saying that selfishness isn't sin?

I am saying sinning is not a 'mistake'.

A mistake is tripping over a stone.

Sinning is of the devil and against God, not a mistake.

There are no 'sins of imperfection'. It is not sinful to be mortal.

It is sinful to fornicate, be drunken, steal, lie, blaspheme, etc...which are transgressions of the law of Christ.

We grow up and stop saying we made a 'mistake', if we purposely lie.

 

[Bob Estey]

I am saying sinning is not a 'mistake'.

A mistake is tripping over a stone.

Sinning is of the devil and against God, not a mistake.

There are no 'sins of imperfection'. It is not sinful to be mortal.

It is sinful to fornicate, be drunken, steal, lie, blaspheme, etc...which are transgressions of the law of Christ.

We grow up and stop saying we made a 'mistake', if we purposely lie.

Sin certainly is a mistake.

 

[Robert Gwin]

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

There is nothing, whether spirit or nature, that is made, created, and exists, that is not nor was not created by Christ.

If Christ created or creates a sin spirit or nature in man at birth, whether in the seed of man, or in the flesh and bones of man, or in soul and spirit of man, then Christ would indeed be the one tempting man to sin, Man would simply be following their Christ-made sin spirit or nature into sinning.

James 1 is written to deny this lie of the devil, that Christ is the tempter and devil.

Unrighteous christian sinners believe this lie as an excuse for sinning in the flesh, and those who preach are tempters to seduce other Christians to accept being unrighteous sinners for life as they.

Perhaps not, but with the exception of Jesus, all of them have sinned.

 

[robert derrick]

Perhaps not, but with the exception of Jesus, all of them have sinned.

Now, that is a true statement.

Someone was teaching against being born with a sin nature, and I realized they were correct, when the favorite changing of Scripture for a sin nature was that sin hath passed upon all men.

The Scripture says death has past upon all men, for all have sinned. Not for all are born with sin.

Neither the mortal flesh nor the created spirit and soul of man is created by Christ with sin nature.

Christ has created nor made any such sin spirit nor nature in the first place.

Lust for sinning against God comes from within the heart of the created being, not mysteriously from some sin spirit or nature floating around, or buried within the seed code.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Sin and lust against God is only found within us, if we allow it to be within us.

We don't receive it from the devil, but are only tempted by the devil to have it for ourselves of our own will, even as he did at the first.

Being a created spiritual being, whether angel or man, comes with power to have enmity against God at our own will and choosing.

 

[robert derrick]

Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped, And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither.

All men come naked into the world, not sinful.

Neither being naked nor mortal is sinful.

At least not for a naked baby.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Now, that is a true statement.

Someone was teaching against being born with a sin nature, and I realized they were correct, when the favorite changing of Scripture for a sin nature was that sin hath passed upon all men.

The Scripture says death has past upon all men, for all have sinned. Not for all are born with sin.

Neither the mortal flesh nor the created spirit and soul of man is created by Christ with sin nature.

Christ has created nor made any such sin spirit nor nature in the first place.

Lust for sinning against God comes from within the heart of the created being, not mysteriously from some sin spirit or nature floating around, or buried within the seed code.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Sin and lust against God is only found within us, if we allow it to be within us.

We don't receive it from the devil, but are only tempted by the devil to have it for ourselves of our own will, even as he did at the first.

Being a created spiritual being, whether angel or man, comes with power to have enmity against God at our own will and choosing.

We are all born in sin as received from Adam sir:
(Psalm 51:5) . . .Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin.
(John 9:34) . . .In answer they said to him: “You were altogether born in sin, and yet are you teaching us?”. . .
(Romans 5:12) . . .through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—.

 

[robert derrick]

We are all born in sin as received from Adam sir:
(Psalm 51:5) . . .Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin.
(John 9:34) . . .In answer they said to him: “You were altogether born in sin, and yet are you teaching us?”. . .
(Romans 5:12) . . .through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—.

We are all born into a sinful world, where thought for sin can be received by the soul, to lust after the flesh, and sin with the devil.

Death passes upon all souls by sinning. Sin has not passed upon all souls from birth, else Christ is the maker of sinful souls.

The same psalmist speaks of how we are fearfully and wonderfully made by Christ in the lower parts of the earth, and are also clothed by Him in mortal flesh of the womb.

Christ is the creator and maker of souls and babes in the womb, not man nor the devil. Christ creates the seed of all mortal flesh, not the living creatures one earth nor the devil.

Until you answer the simple question of who exactly is it that has created and does create a sin spirit or nature, you are only repeating learned traditional mantra, that is used to justify sinning with the flesh, because you say sin is in the mortal flesh, and so the flesh is also at fault, and not just the soul that sins with the flesh.

If you say Christ creates the sinful souls and/or mortal flesh with sin in it, then you say Christ is therefore the creator of a sin spirit or nature.

You thus call Christ a devil, and God is the tempter of man to sin, by making him with sin at birth.

Or you say the devil is indeed like God, in that he is a creator of something of his own, or that men are as gods that makes their own bodies sinful.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

This Scripture is rebuking the pagan theology that gods or even demigods of men can make or create anything of themselves.

 

[robert derrick]

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

It is not the mortal flesh that has sin to sin against our souls, but our souls than can sin with and against our own flesh.

The mortal flesh is neither a cause nor any blame for our souls sinning with lust for the natural things of the flesh.

All things are clean of themselves, including the flesh and all things natural on earth, but it is the unclean soul of man, that lusts to pervert all such things in use against God, as well as our own mortal bodies.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

And so am I persuaded, since Scripture plainly says so.

If souls want to believe that their own mortal flesh is unclean of itself with sin lurking in it against them, then that is their folly, not mine.

Unrighteous sinful thoughts come only from the devil, not from the flesh.

And a man is only sinning, if the soul receives them into the heart to lust for and corrupt the natural things of the flesh:

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Christ is not the Tempter of man, Who created man with sin nature or spirit to tempt man into sinning against God.

Christ is not the Creator of any such nature nor spirit, nor is the devil, who is not a creator nor maker of anything at all, other than of lies against the truth of Scripture.

 

[mailmandan]

We are all born in sin as received from Adam sir:
(Psalm 51:5) . . .Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin.
(John 9:34) . . .In answer they said to him: “You were altogether born in sin, and yet are you teaching us?”. . .
(Romans 5:12) . . .through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—.

Also Psalms 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

 

[Robert Gwin]

We are all born into a sinful world, where thought for sin can be received by the soul, to lust after the flesh, and sin with the devil.

Death passes upon all souls by sinning. Sin has not passed upon all souls from birth, else Christ is the maker of sinful souls.

The same psalmist speaks of how we are fearfully and wonderfully made by Christ in the lower parts of the earth, and are also clothed by Him in mortal flesh of the womb.

Christ is the creator and maker of souls and babes in the womb, not man nor the devil. Christ creates the seed of all mortal flesh, not the living creatures one earth nor the devil.

Until you answer the simple question of who exactly is it that has created and does create a sin spirit or nature, you are only repeating learned traditional mantra, that is used to justify sinning with the flesh, because you say sin is in the mortal flesh, and so the flesh is also at fault, and not just the soul that sins with the flesh.

If you say Christ creates the sinful souls and/or mortal flesh with sin in it, then you say Christ is therefore the creator of a sin spirit or nature.

You thus call Christ a devil, and God is the tempter of man to sin, by making him with sin at birth.

Or you say the devil is indeed like God, in that he is a creator of something of his own, or that men are as gods that makes their own bodies sinful.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

This Scripture is rebuking the pagan theology that gods or even demigods of men can make or create anything of themselves.

All are born in sin sir, but no righteous God would hold you accountable until you were capable of obedience.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Also Psalms 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

Thanks Dan'l, appreciate you adding to my evidence posted bro.

 

[robert derrick]

Also Psalms 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

Never heard a baby speaking from the womb.

All are born in sin sir, but no righteous God would hold you accountable until you were capable of obedience.

True, God only judges sinning against Him, which no babes do, until they have youth to do so.

Until then, no babe is a sinner against God.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Also Psalms 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

Never heard a baby speaking from the womb.



True, God only judges sinning against Him, which no babes do, until they have youth to do so.

Until then, no babe is a sinner against God.

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