Christ vs. the Torah
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You tried that scam before - and you are still wrong and in error in your posts.
And you accuse me of being wrong and in error...yet will not point out what the error is that you see.
If I am wrong on something, I want to know what that something is so that I can change my pov.
If I am wrong on something, I want to know what that something is so that I can change my pov.
Another response from the false teachers -
it looks like you did not mean it when you said you were willing to learn from Scripture the Truth.
Going to have to put you on ignore again.... until God Directs otherwise.
IT is not a question of if you are wrong - that was already shown even years ago concerning your teachers.
So also, that is available online if you look for the truth - you will find it - even though it is against what you have believed until today.
As you posted - as I posted - it will take time, and God Permitting, and your permitting (as God will not coerce anyone to change their own beliefs, even when it leads them to destruction as some false teachings do, and as the false gospel does )
Instead of continuing 'dialogue', it is time to put you on ignore for now..
The information you need in order to learn the truth is available online at your convenience, so to speak.
That figures...I can see that you intend to come in and out with accusations and yet without any substantiation for your claims.
Here is just one of the attacks that I found online...and my response.
Chuck Smith never claimed to be a prophet; but was merely speculating based on the fact that Israel became a nation in 1948 that the Lord's return could happen in a definite amount of time. He was teaching, not prophesying.
Also, concerning the imputation of righteousness, it is clearly biblical...just look at Romans chapter 4.
This guy is obviously led of satan to attempt to keep people from setting foot inside the walls of a Calvary Chapel....because the devil knows that people get born again in the Calvary Chapel Movement and are redeemed for ever.
Opportunity is given, more often than not, for people to receive Christ at the end of any message that is given....and John 1:12 is clear that if anyone receives Christ, they have the power to become the sons of God.
Dan Corner
Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel POISON
Chuck Smith (1927-2013) of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California had 20,000 families in his congregation. He also started over 1,000 Calvary Chapel churches throughout the USA and the world!His influence was staggering, but is that good? Your answer should consider the following.
Chuck Smith's FALSE Rapture 1981 and 2000 Dates
Like many other pre-trib rapture teachers, Chuck Smith also made embarrassing FALSE predictions! If you find that too hard to believe, please verify the images on this page from the booklet, End Times, 1978 edition by Chuck Smith, pp. 35 and 36. Chuck Smith wrote:I believe that the generation of 1948 is the last generation. Since a generation of judgment is forty years and the Tribulation period lasts seven years, I believe the Lord could come back for His Church any time before the Tribulation starts, which would mean anytime before 1981. (1948+40-7=1981).But that is only his first date there! His booklet continues on:However, it is possible that Jesus is dating the beginning of the generation from 1967, when Jerusalem was again under Israeli control for the first time since 587 B.C. We don't know for sure which year actually marks the beginning of the last generation.His teaching is clear. The Rapture was to be either before 1981 or before or in 2000! It was to be one or the other! Chuck Smith lived 13 years beyond the later date and still no pre-trib Rapture occurred, but that was only about his inaccurate date setting. His false understanding of righteousness and how to please God is expressed at other times.
Calvinist Harold Camping's 2011 False Prophecy
Chuck Smith's Faulty Theology Continues
Chuck Smith taught the following about his version of righteousness and pleasing God. (The following quotes are from Chuck Smith's book entitled, Why Grace Changes Everything, 1994 ed.):God looks at you as righteous because of your believing in Jesus Christ. Apart from what you are doing or not doing, apart from keeping any code of ethics, God is imputing righteousness to your account because you believe upon Jesus Christ. (Page 33)
Chuck Smith also wrote:To please God, we only need to believe in Him and trust Him. That is the gospel of grace. (Page 101)Teaching like this is easily refuted by examining Revelation chapters 2 and 3. Among other things we see that Jesus was not automatically pleased with those who had been born again just because they once had a moment of saving faith. In fact, Jesus actually held things against more than one church group. Will you believe popular Chuck Smith or what the Lord Jesus taught? Without question, Chuck Smith had no clue of spiritual death coming on the righteous who turn to evil (Ezek. 33:18), based on his teachings!
WOW! Read Peter's Warning About False Teachers In The Church
Furthermore, nowhere in the New Testament does it say that one will perpetually remain righteous in God's sight, apart from what he is doing, just because he believes. Again, Rev. 2 and 3 as well as other Scriptures refute this idea:Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil (1 John 3:7,8).
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech. He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it. For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil." (1 Peter 3:10-12)
Chuck Smith never claimed to be a prophet; but was merely speculating based on the fact that Israel became a nation in 1948 that the Lord's return could happen in a definite amount of time. He was teaching, not prophesying.
Also, concerning the imputation of righteousness, it is clearly biblical...just look at Romans chapter 4.
This guy is obviously led of satan to attempt to keep people from setting foot inside the walls of a Calvary Chapel....because the devil knows that people get born again in the Calvary Chapel Movement and are redeemed for ever.
Opportunity is given, more often than not, for people to receive Christ at the end of any message that is given....and John 1:12 is clear that if anyone receives Christ, they have the power to become the sons of God.
Jesus is my defender; I do not need to defend my own credibility as a teacher here.
That I attend a Calvary Chapel is evident...
That I do not just take everything that they say and swallow it should also be evident.
I consider myself to be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11).
Not everything that I believe and teach coincides with the Calvary Chapel Movement. I am my own student of the word of the Lord.
That I attend a Calvary Chapel is evident...
That I do not just take everything that they say and swallow it should also be evident.
I consider myself to be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11).
Not everything that I believe and teach coincides with the Calvary Chapel Movement. I am my own student of the word of the Lord.
On the contrary, Jesus said that the Law would not pass until everything is *completed.* At the cross, he said, "It is finished." Paul went to great length to explain that every curse of the Law was satisfied at the cross, because the accusations were themselves "nailed to the cross."
Matt 5.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
John 19.30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Col 2.14 ...having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.
Jesus also said that the temple, which was at the heart of legal observance, would be destroyed in his generation, assumably because the nation would reject him.
Luke 21.5 Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6 “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”
...20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Do you really think Jesus expected the Law to still be served after the Jewish People, as a whole, rejected him as Messiah, failed to worship at the temple properly, and then would not only lose their temple but also their nationhood until Jesus returns? That is not advocacy of legal observance, friend!
When Jesus said his blood and body would serve as a New Covenant he was in essence declaring an end to the old, in favor of one that could actually save Israel in their sin.
Luke 22.20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
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So then, has heaven and earth already passed away ? Was that complete/ finished already ?
17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the ...
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