Christian Nationalism

[Gray_Joy]

This was the news broadcast today,June 24, on a Christian news channel.

News on The 700 Club: June 24, 2026

As seen on “The 700 Club,” June 24, 2026

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Hezbollah , translates as, party of Allah, and the Qutar government are especially concerning.

Remember the anti-Israel movement that rose up on America's campuses the day after the October 7th attack on Israel? Qutar invest billions into their interests all over the world.
And Hamas and all Islamic terror groups want to rule the world through Shari'a law.

It is not a time to stand meek before an enemy that will happily cut our infidel throat.

 

[Ziggy]

Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
at 24:38
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41
Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mat 24:43
But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46
Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

 

[Bombastic]

This was the news broadcast today,June 24, on a Christian news channel.

News on The 700 Club: June 24, 2026

As seen on “The 700 Club,” June 24, 2026

cbn.com

Hezbollah , translates as, party of Allah, and the Qutar government are especially concerning.

Remember the anti-Israel movement that rose up on America's campuses the day after the October 7th attack on Israel? Qutar invest billions into their interests all over the world.
And Hamas and all Islamic terror groups want to rule the world through Shari'a law.

It is not a time to stand meek before an enemy that will happily cut our infidel throat.

An interesting thing happened to me today; two blocks down there's that one neighbor with June rainbow flags all over the yard and a car with a window sticker. My German Shepherd and I walk by it a couple of times a day. It's the first time I've seen any sticker that nailed the depravity of America and its slippery slope. In front of the rainbow flags, banners, and even a lawn sign that says, "Jesus loves everybody," the sticker had the American flag, and it said, "I hate my ex-wife." What else was that emphasizing other than "no-fault divorce"?

I fly two flags, and a couple of months ago I heard a loud bang from the front of the house. Went outside to investigate and found a 2x5" rock that dented the front siding of my house. I understand these flags are offensive to some, even in this "red state" I am a citizen of.
When I move from here, I plan to purchase acreage up in the mountains. I don't want to be anywhere near any academic universities or socialist healthcare systems, that usher in from the universities to the area for internships, etc. The further away from those liberal socialists the better.

 

[Anchorite]

Don't mask cowardness for meekness or pacifism for courage and strength. Let me remind you what G-d had done to those that brought back a bad report so soldiers of Israel lost faith in what He had commanded. (Numbers 13-14)
It would be a fruitful study if you dived into the self-sacrifice in the life of the soldier, rather than only identifying as one for G-d. All identity politics aside, there's a difference between a soldier and a metaphorical one. The metaphor is meant to convey certain aspects of reality so others can relate, for example, "no greater faith in all of Israel." That was not said for the cause of the Roman soldier but for the complete obedience under his command as well as his faith in the correct object in which he interceded and appealed. (Matthew 8:5-13)

Christians do not kill enemies.

Killing enemies is satanic, I do not care how self-sacrificing a soldier may be.

Jesus never said we can use lethal weapons against our enemies.

We do not live under the Old Testament administration.

Read the book of Acts. Enemies of the believers are never physically attacked or killed.

You laughed at my list of pacifist statements of Jesus.

But you keep mentioning something you call G-d.

Christians say God, not G-d.

 

[Ziggy]

An interesting thing happened to me today; two blocks down there's that one neighbor with June rainbow flags all over the yard and a car with a window sticker. My German Shepherd and I walk by it a couple of times a day. It's the first time I've seen any sticker that nailed the depravity of America and its slippery slope. In front of the rainbow flags, banners, and even a lawn sign that says, "Jesus loves everybody," the sticker had the American flag, and it said, "I hate my ex-wife." What else was that emphasizing other than "no-fault divorce"?

I fly two flags, and a couple of months ago I heard a loud bang from the front of the house. Went outside to investigate and found a 2x5" rock that dented the front siding of my house. I understand these flags are offensive to some, even in this "red state" I am a citizen of.
When I move from here, I plan to purchase acreage up in the mountains. I don't want to be anywhere near any academic universities or socialist healthcare systems, that usher in from the universities to the area for internships, etc. The further away from those liberal socialists the better.

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It don't matter if you live in a Red or Blue State.
I ive in a Blue/purple State.
And we have an individual by the name of Platner running for Senator.
I don't know who will end up being Governor, But I know Mills was shown the door.

 

[Bombastic]

Christians do not kill enemies.

Killing enemies is satanic, I do not care how self-sacrificing a soldier may be.

Jesus never said we can use lethal weapons against our enemies.

We do not live under the Old Testament administration.

Read the book of Acts. Enemies of the believers are never physically attacked or killed.

You laughed at my list of pacifist statements of Jesus.

But you keep mentioning something you call G-d.

Christians say God, not G-d.

Obviously you care not and have no inclination to know outside yourself.
And Christian? Whatever that's supposed to mean today.
All identity politics aside, there's no sense trying to answer why the hyphen or the name הַשֵּׁם
Not everybody is limited to English.
It's best I hit ignore on your profile.

 

[Brakelite]

When we look more deeply we can see the formative Christian influence on society ... especially when we contrast it to a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia ... or a Communist country like China.

Even people who do not engage with overt Christianity still enjoy the benefits of the Christian values that permeate our culture.

I do agree wholeheartedly that attending church doesn't automatically make anyone a Christian ... it must be a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

From family who have visited the middle east where the religion is predominantly Muslim, they say they felt safer there than in America, or even here in Australia. More honest also.
There were examples of course where the women were clearly second class citizens, as were the lesser ranked immigrant workers from India or Pakistan. You wore a turban, a beard, and flowing white clothes and stepped out of a Mercedes Benz you went straight to the front of the queue.
But everyday life was easy. No concerns over being robbed or asssulted. You could leave your shopping on a bench in the mall and enter another store for an hour and come back and find your shopping intact. Including your wallet that you left beside it.

 

[markalan]

From family who have visited the middle east where the religion is predominantly Muslim, they say they felt safer there than in America, or even here in Australia. More honest also.
There were examples of course where the women were clearly second class citizens, as were the lesser ranked immigrant workers from India or Pakistan. You wore a turban, a beard, and flowing white clothes and stepped out of a Mercedes Benz you went straight to the front of the queue.
But everyday life was easy. No concerns over being robbed or asssulted. You could leave your shopping on a bench in the mall and enter another store for an hour and come back and find your shopping intact. Including your wallet that you left beside it.

Harsher penalties will have that effect.

 

[markalan]

Christians do not kill enemies.

Killing enemies is satanic, I do not care how self-sacrificing a soldier may be.

Jesus never said we can use lethal weapons against our enemies.

You don't think Romans 13:3-4 gives government agents authority to use lethal force?

For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.​

 

[Lizbeth]

AND:

Mat 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Mat 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Hmm, what do you suppose those twelve legions of angels might do?

And yet here is the ACTUAL reason Jesus said to put away his sword, READY?

Mat 26:54
But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Jesus was sent to do the Father's will. To fulfill scripture, not to be King at that time.

12 legions of angels...

that's a lot of angels

legions of angels

(A legion, [legeon ( legiwñn )] for the Latin legio, from lego, to collect or choose was a particular division or battalion of the Roman army, which at different times contained different numbers. In the time of our Saviour it probably consisted of 6,200 foot and 300 horse, twelve of which would amount to 78,000 men.) Luk 8:30

2Ki 6:16
And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
2Ki 6:17
And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

2Th 1:7
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

Jde 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

It had nothing to do with Peter having a sword, It was Jesus doing His Father's will.

Was Peter doing God's will?
That is the question.


Hugs

Not for the first time, you are pitting one scripture against another. Angels or no angels, and God's will being done doesn't nullify that Jesus instructed Peter saying, if you live by the sword you will die by the sword.

 

[Lizbeth]

God's people killed so to establish his kingdom on Earth.

This is why we are in error when we refuse to read the Old Testament.

That wasn't His kingdom on earth..........it was only a type/shadow of His heavenly kingdom which comes not with observation that you may say lo here it is or there, but is within us.

 

[Lizbeth]

Matthew 10
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.

Yes........and which sword was He talking about? What is the sword that DIVIDES? The sword of the Spirit, His word, is what divides. And people of the world and flesh who reject His word are often willing to take up a literal sword against those who follow Him.

 

[Lizbeth]

You don't think Romans 13:3-4 gives government agents authority to use lethal force?

For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.​

Governments yes. But governments are not the church. The church has a completely different ministry/mandate. We need to discern/divide/separate between the holy and the profane (common), not mix them together. Mixture is the unclean thing that scripture says we are not to touch but come out of. Mixing the holy and the profane renders the holy unclean. Mixing church and state makes the church unclean.

 

[Nancy]

Thank you for the welcome, Nancy! Much appreciated.
We should each examine ourselves so that G-d won't judge us.
I too only see "individual hope" rather than "national" or covenant solidarity; that is, rather than the local church, the universal catholic church today resembles more the national environment.
I'd also like to add to what I was stating that supports what you shared:

Jesus was addressing the abuse of the Lex Talionis. Persons abused it for personal vendettas; everything Jesus taught on this issue—turn the other cheek, love your enemy, give them the shirt off your back, go the extra mile, etc.—has been twisted enough to make people believe they should welcome victimization and that Jesus abolished the Lex Talionis or the Noahide commandment to establish courts of law.
I don't want to appear to be a spammer, and I'll refrain after this about posting direct links to my personal writings. I engaged in this thread because it is of personal interest, and I've been studying and writing on this subject for quite awhile. Please, don't be concerned; I don't off community platform services (no conflict of interest). If anybody finds this interesting and would like to consider further reading:

Excerpt on the topic of the Lex Talionis:
"Jesus addresses this directly in the Sermon on the Mount: “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matthew 5:38–39; see also Luke 6:29). He continues with commands to go the extra mile, give generously, and love enemies.

Jesus is not abolishing justice or commanding believers to welcome victimization, false accusation, or systemic evil. He is confronting the Pharisaic misuse of the law for personal retaliation rather than judicial process." Source: Part 2: The Well Dressed Muse in the Worst Actionable Context - Isaiah School

Soli Deo Gloria
G-d bless

Thank you for the reply brother,
I will surely take a look at your link. This is a subject most all of the Christians I know have never heard of this, and that is concerning.

Have a great day brother!

 

[markalan]

Governments yes. But governments are not the church. The church has a completely different ministry/mandate. We need to discern/divide/separate between the holy and the profane (common), not mix them together. Mixture is the unclean thing that scripture says we are not to touch but come out of. Mixing the holy and the profane renders the holy unclean. Mixing church and state makes the church unclean.

That sounds good but it is very vague and you need to flesh it out with examples otherwise it is more or less meaningless.
For example, are you saying it is wrong for pastors of churches to tell their people which policies are more aligned with God's Word?

 

[Lambano]

Governments yes. But governments are not the church.

Lizbeth, I want to elaborate on that point.

Governments are part of the Powers and Principalities of This Age, which means they technically belong to the Enemy. Governments and the men and women who run them have their own agendas which may or not align with Christ's agenda. We should be VERY careful in making alliances with the Powers That Be, keep our eyes open, and try to limit their power with no illusions about our ability to control them. They know how to use us; we only think we know how to use them.

 

[Lambano]

 

[markalan]

Lizbeth, I want to elaborate on that point.

Governments are part of the Powers and Principalities of This Age, which means they technically belong to the Enemy. Governments and the men and women who run them have their own agendas which may or not align with Christ's agenda. We should be VERY careful in making alliances with the Powers That Be, keep our eyes open, and try to limit their power with no illusions about our ability to control them. They know how to use us; we only think we know how to use them.

The position you advocate is the reason that society has become infected with ungodly policies that harm our children ... sexual mutilation of minors confused about gender, normalizing lgbt behavior, legalizing even late term abortion, making children afraid of their future because of climate doom, eroding parental rights, ...

When we withdraw from confronting evil in society, we become a part of it.

 

[Lizbeth]

That sounds good but it is very vague and you need to flesh it out with examples otherwise it is more or less meaningless.
For example, are you saying it is wrong for pastors of churches to tell their people which policies are more aligned with God's Word?

Ask the Lord to give you understanding of it. It's only vague for those who aren't "getting" it yet.....it is spiritually discerned.

Churches should be studying and preaching the word and seeking God for wisdom......then nobody would need to tell them what policies are more aligned with God's word. But keep in mind there is good and evil with both sides of the aisle....that's just how it is with worldly things in this fallen world unfortunately. Politics always involves compromise and being beholden to those who pay for the campaigns. Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Only the blessing of God addeth no sorrow to it.

Ultimately God is the one who decides what is going on with nations....whether He is blessing or judging/cursing them etc. He is the one wo raises and lowers kings and kingdoms. Nations with a preponderance of citizens who are following Him will be more blessed than nations which are sinful and corrupt. Righteousness exalts a nation, sin brings reproach. Where does the west sit on the scale of righteousness? It has become sinful and corrupt I would say these days, sadly. Even in the churches....there is much sin in the camp. I think God is only going to heal our land if the church repents, if we believe the scriptures.

 

[Ziggy]

You go Preach and some of us will defend, how's that?