Christian Nationalism

[Bombastic]

Pacifists have displaced the warrior God, LORD of heavens armies, who we are made in his image, and who commanded us to kill men, women, children, babies and animals, and who will raise evil doers from the dead only to condemn in the Lake of Fire with a sugar and spice and everything nice IDOL.

1 Samuel 15:3, "Now go and attack the Amalekites and devote to destruction all that belongs to them. Do not spare them, but put to death men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys."

What a perverse, wicked twisting of scripture.

Israel proved themselves unrighteous in this instance and disobeyed G-d. I do understand what @Wrangler is attempting to convey but...

Sin. Justice and Judgment. Christian Nationalism. Not surprising opposition to the first 2 leads to opposition to the last.

America was, is not, and was never intended to be at the extreme of a theocracy or at the other extreme of secularist.
In the context of promoting "Christian Nationalism," a universal "Christian" nationalism would also support pacifist Christians, as well as NT-only Christians, red-letter-only Christians, and "egalitarians."
If by "national law" some Christians under the banner of nationalism were vetted for, say, Sola Scriptura, then Catholicism would be rejected as well as all those non-"Reformed" denominations, sects, and cults, because rather than Scripture, the Catholic Church believes it is the authority and only ordained interpreter of Scripture. And if the federal or state governments favored one particular denomination or Catholicism, then that is merely the historical context of Europe before the exodus that led to founding America. At that time nations swung between Catholic and Protestant magistrates and were warring against each other. Once the church was given power and authority, secularists bribed their way into the church's ecclesiastical polity.
Everything I am reading so far indicates that "Christian nationalism" violates the original historical context and intent of American forefathers.
Rather than Christian "nationalism," I believe personal and individual piety should be the focus of Christians.
This is not to suggest I oppose the Noahide laws by which every person upon the earth is accountable and responsible:

1. Do not worship idols: Recognize and acknowledge a single Creator, avoiding false gods.
2. Do not blaspheme God: Respect the Creator and refrain from cursing God, no matter the circumstance.
3. Do not murder: Protect and value human life, as it is sacred.
4. Do not commit illicit sexual relations: Uphold the family unit by avoiding forbidden relationships such as incest, adultery, and certain other sexual immoralities.
5. Do not steal: Respect the property of others and do not enrich yourself at the unfair expense of another person.
6. Do not eat a limb from a still-living animal: Respect animal life and refrain from causing unnecessary cruelty or consuming meat torn from a live creature.
7. Establish courts of justice: Create a just, lawful society by setting up a reliable judicial system to uphold the other six laws.

And what of all those Christians that now believe the Noahide covenant's sign is represented by the rainbow flag? Even the term "Protestant" has been redefined to include "Particular" Baptist. In historical context Protestants were those Reformers that protested the Roman Catholic church and attempted to realign it to orthodoxy. Instead, they, under "national law" were burned at the stake and executed. The word Protestant has been redefined to only mean "protest"; therefore, Baptists that protested the Church of England and other Christian nationalisms were persecuted by both Protestant and Catholic magistrates and executed at times by drowning.
It appears to me that the current zeal or endorsement for Christian nationalism not only rejects the original intent of the 1st Amendment but also is ignorant of history and carelessly moves to repeat the same mistakes. Rather than a "revival," perhaps a "reformation" is better suited.
Look at current events; keep in mind that those in their zeal to promote Christian nationalism will usher in Pope Leo to be seated right at the top.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Sorry if I read too much into your post....it sounded as if you went and hurt the boy. The way people are talking around here. I don't believe there is anything wrong with simply restraining someone if that is what is needed. We can exercise common wisdom without hurting or killing someone.

I admit, I made some young men afraid when they threatened harm to my daughters. I have stood up to grown men when it came to my children. But when it came down to those young men, I did pray for them because God only knows what led them to threaten such evil actions against my daughters.

 

[Lizbeth]

I believe in using the minimum force to manage a situation. In the case of the maniac killing people in a shopping mall here, the man was shot dead after killing 6 people and sending 10 more to hospital.

Each person will do according to their faith in a situation. "Be it done unto us according to our faith." Whether we have zero or a little or a lot in the moment. I think in an increasingly dark dangerous world we need to be praying for more faith and seeking to be walking in the Spirit all the more. The bible says all the days ordained for us were written before one of them came to be..........and Jesus said not even a sparrow falls to the ground apart from the Father. FAITH. Do we believe God? Are we trusting Him?

I wonder if Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword because their faith wasn't there yet, the Spirit hadn't been given yet, and it was wise to serve as a deterrent to prevent them from being arrested alongside Jesus. But it's clear that He never wanted them to use them to hurt or kill anybody. Myself I dont think there's anything wrong with having deterrents...wise as serpents, harmless as doves, and we aren't to be foolish and put God to the test. Eg, most of us have locks for our doors and it is not sin.

But I have been pondering that passage and the meaning of it.....is there a lesson there........Jesus told them to sell their cloaks in order to buy the swords........It was no small thing to sell their cloaks, they served as both blanket at night and shelter from the sun by day, they were necessities and not cheap........looking at that passage in a deeper way I wonder if it symbolizes exchanging their covering (God's covering) for a worldly weapon.....the lesson in terms of faith being that we really can't have both at the same time..? Either we are trusting in the one or trusting in the other.

 

[Ziggy]

Are you talking to yourself or no one in particular? Again, "Christian nationalism" is an oxymoron; those are mutually exclusive ideologies/beliefs. One follows Christ and one is idolatry.

So you think that loving the people that make up a nation that live in a particular country is idolatry?

So we should hate everybody and only love Christ?
That's not what He said.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I fall more into line with these guys.

I don't believe for one moment that Jesus' command to sell a cloak to buy a sword was metaphorical. He said what He said and He meant it with no hidden meaning. Remember, He spoke to His disciples without parables.

I believe Jesus advised they have two swords for 12 men because it may be needed to defend themselves. But they were not to LIVE by that sword. We LIVE by the Word of God.

God may call me to physically defend myself, my children, grandchildren, etc. But, I should be ready to hear His voice if He says .... "Share the Gospel with them..." ....rather than use a weapon. That is living by the Spirit rather than a physical sword or weapon.

We don't go seeking violence, or starting conflicts, or killing children because they're born into a religion that is dangerous. God hasn't called us to that. It's wrong to start wars, to provoke violence, to attack and murder the innocent.

 

[TLHKAJ]

So you think that loving the people that make up a nation that live in a particular country is idolatry?

So we should hate everybody and only love Christ?
That's not what He said.

Sis ....what does this have to do with Christian Nationality? We can't force someone to be a Christian. In my opinion, if we want a more Christian nation, it starts at home ...it starts with us as individuals. We should be loving our neighbors, sharing Christ, and walking the walk. Let your light SO SHINE before men that they may see your GOOD WORKS and glorify your FATHER which is in heaven. If we lift up Christ, He will draw men to Himself. That's how God meant the good news to spread .... through the Church ...not the government.

 

[Gray_Joy]

To those Christians who oppose Christian Nationalism, just what set of principles should a nation be built if not on Christ and God's Word? (Asking for a friend)

Something I think strong pacifists and others opposed to Christian Nationalism have failed to realize is,when God brings his kingdom to Earth, that's precisely the governance that shall exist here.

 

[Ziggy]

So I'm just going to state my case right here and right now.
If the blue collar democrats choose not to withdraw themselves from the Socialist Communists,
There is no longer a Democrat "Party" by the very nature of death which they are in bed with,
But there is also no such thing a Bi-partisanship.
Because that would literally be 2 Corinthians 6:15.

There are Americans and Communists.
That's it.

 

[Ziggy]

Something I think strong pacifists and others opposed to Christian Nationalism have failed to realize is,when God brings his kingdom to Earth, that's precisely the governance that shall exist here.

That's why they are on the outside.

Revelation 22: 14-15

 

[Wrangler]

We can exercise common wisdom without hurting or killing someone.

And sometimes only lethal force will stop evil. See God’s Judgment in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes. But it is surely not a mandate to violate the teachings of Christ and the apostles.

Right, it’s a mandate to follow the command of Christ, Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.

 

[Gray_Joy]

And sometimes only lethal force will stop evil. See God’s Judgment in the Lake of Fire.

See the entire Old Testament.
God is not a pacifist.

 

[Wrangler]

America was, is not, and was never intended to be at the extreme of a theocracy or at the other extreme of secularist.

Strawman. American is and always was a Christian nation even not being a theocracy.

 

[Wrangler]

Everything I am reading so far indicates that "Christian nationalism" violates the original historical context and intent of American forefathers.

Then you must be reading opponents of Christian Nationalist. I posted 2 videos supporting it based on original founding writings.

 

[Ziggy]

Sis ....what does this have to do with Christian Nationality? We can't force someone to be a Christian. In my opinion, if we want a more Christian nation, it starts at home ...it starts with us as individuals. We should be loving our neighbors, sharing Christ, and walking the walk. Let your light SO SHINE before men that they may see your GOOD WORKS and glorify your FATHER which is in heaven. If we lift up Christ, He will draw men to Himself. That's how God meant the good news to spread .... through the Church ...not the government.

There actually was no church yet when the Gospel began to be spread by John the Baptist.
There were no Christians.
And Jesus didn't spread the Gospel through any entity other than himself directly to the people.
The Church is the womb which holds the children , the Sons of God,
which some have absolutely no fear, no guilt, no shame in trying to abort.

Then there are those who protect the Church and those lambs in the church from the Wolves that would enjoy shredding them alive.

We are loving our neighbors, and we will be joyfully celebrating, once we abolish the wolves.

What better Work is there than protecting the children of Christ?

We're not playing games anymore.

The devil is out of time.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Give honour to whom you owe it, pay taxes/tribute to whom you owe it. Submit to governing authorities. Yes. But it is surely not a mandate to violate the teachings of Christ and the apostles. You are stretching it way too far and looking for something that is not there.

Then stand by when you and your family happily choose not to resist an evil person. Turn your other cheeks as they beat you,rape you,kill you.

Please don't think every Christian must surrender in the same way their God given life to the evil of Satans directed offenders.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Only if you're white and male, with a very specific (and un-Christian, anti-Christ) take on a "Christ-centred" society.

Racism is not of Christ. Your mockery has just unmasked your efforts at pretending.

 

[Bombastic]

Strawman. American is and always was a Christian nation even not being a theocracy.

That is not what I said. And though I agree, I also disagree w/ the modern notion.
But strawman was noted.

 

[Ziggy]

Racism is not of Christ. Your mockery has just unmasked your efforts at pretending.

I'm in the Congress Junkies Thread watching the R's shred the D's over Medicaid Fraud.
They call this politics, I call it being good stewards for the people.
Hugs

 

[Bombastic]

Then you must be reading opponents of Christian Nationalist. I posted 2 videos supporting it based on original founding writings.

Nope, I am only reading your posts and others here. I already stated, in this thread, I have no idea what "Christian" is supposed to mean, let alone Christian nationalism.