Christian Nationalism

[amigo de christo]

Yes, I believe that He meant it in a literal sense as well (as a deterrent in my view).......but just that if we dive down a bit deeper there I wonder if there might be a deeper message also, on top of it, kind of another layer to His words. I don't think anything is written in scripture that isn't for a reason...everything in scripture has meaning. I just wonder why bother mentioning in writing that about selling their cloaks if it has no meaning? When we are dwelling in faith/spirit we are dwelling in the shelter of the Most High...covering, protection, provision....a cloak.... But the fact is that most of us aren't there yet, or not always, so there are times and circumstances when we need to be wise and not put God to the test. That is not to condemn anybody, it is a matter of where we are in our growth realistically and also what measure of grace we have in the moment. And sometimes we don't need His miraculous intervention per se if there are simple options within reach....He is able to tell us what to do if we don't know.

I've heard of people even letting their children die and refusing medical help because they were supposedly trusting in God.........but if they were not truly in faith/spirit at the time they were being foolish. Either we are or we're not, we can't drum it up or pretend for "religious" reasons.

Anyway, it was just a thought in passing sis and thought I should clarify, I don't want to debate it and take the thread off track.

it does explain why JESUS said this to them . FOr it is written HE was numbered with the transgressors .
Jesus already knew all things that would come upon him .
SO what we have to take heed to is
WHEN they used the sword WHAT DID JESUS TELL PETER .
SHEATH THY SWORD . JESUS even knew HE would be crucified .
But do that mean they who did so were not guilty . no it dont .
JESUS knew what was written as HE knew all things that would come upon Him .
SO rather than the people trying to justify LIVING BY THE SWORD
WHEN JESUS CLEARLY NEVER DID support that .
The lesson is , WHAT DID JESUS TELL peter who used that sword
THEY rather use JESUS own words against HIS OWN WORDS
when they imply by His words to buy a sword
IT MEANS HE SUPPORTS one using the sword . THEY are twisting His words to bring a lie .
And i have to be honest about that . WHO first did that in the garden .
WHO told eve ye shall simply become as gods to know good and evil . WHICH was true
DUE TO GOD HIMSELF later says it .
BUT NOTICE HOW he uses it . SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE
HE uses it to support A LIE , CAUSE GOD had already said IN THE DAY YE EAT OF IT YE SHALL SURELY DIE .
THEY do this with many of His teachings .
BUT JESUS made it very clear that we were NOT to live by the sword .
IN fact he set the example himself . THINK not that i can not call down twelve legions of angels .
And notice even when his end was drawing nigh upon the CROSS
He did not say to the apostels , GO YE and do crusades in my name
NO HE SAID TO HIS FATHER , ab out HIS enemies , FATHER FORGIVE THEM they know NOT what they do .
AND WE SURE SEE this in steven too . as he never once picked up stones or went for a sword
to defend himself against his enemies . HE TOO said LORD lay not this SIN to their charge .
The nar realm and THE RCC , they LIE to us . they are simply prepareing the minds
to be ready to betray , ready for the big crusades , ready for the lie of all lies
which will bring about NOT ONLY Their own damantion BY GOD AND THE LAMB
but a whole heap of blood against all wh odid not conform to the inclusive god that so many now
love and are falling in love with .
YOU see what many cannot see is , Behind the false appearance of that love god
IS a love that DENIES TRUTH , and a love that p repares ONLY BLOOD against all who did not conform .
IN OTHER WORDS , ITS SATAN not GOD . Soon the hour will peak , soon all
that had rejected the love of the truth ,
SOON all not in the lambs book of life , WILL HAVE MERGED in one mindset .
TO DO THE WILL of the inclusive god who by his love has captived them all to a lie ,
And by its peace will ensure the blood and death of many saints .
REMEMBER WHO IT IS that the dragon , that the very beast
comes to make war with . THOSE WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST .
Something many inclusivians have already sold out THAT GOSPEL of HIS that do save those who bleieve,
FOR A LIE . its coming sister , EVEN NOW is it in the world and has many spirits at work
through men . SOON the beast will enforce the worship of its inclusive god
BY MEANS OF A POWERFUL AI LED DIGITAL so called inclusive system ,
AND ALL WHO CONFORM NOT will be persecuted . and even killed . ITS ALL BEEN a set up sister . ALL OF IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

When did this change? The "church" is just the world wrapped in churchy clothing.

"Christianity Thrives when it challenges Empire. It becomes corrupted when it tries to become one."

"Christianity began with no army, no political party, no courts, no national flag, and no emperor "protecting" it.
Just a crucified Savior and a handful of ordinary people convinced that loving their enemies, caring for the forgotten, sharing what they had, and refusing to worship Caesar could change the world.
And somehow, it did.
The Church grew while it was culturally powerless because its power looked completely different from Rome’s.
Rome conquered people.
Christians served them.
Rome celebrated status.
Christians called slaves and rulers brothers and sisters.
Rome abandoned the sick and unwanted.
Christians carried them home.
Then Christianity gained access to the palace.
Constantine legalized and favored the faith. Within decades, Christianity became the official religion of the empire.
Suddenly, the persecuted Church had political influence.
Then political privilege.
Then political power.
And eventually, in some places, the followers of Jesus began persecuting others.
From religious wars and inquisitions to forced conversions, colonial conquests, and defenses of slavery, Christian history contains some deeply embarrassing chapters.
Not because Jesus failed.
Because Christians repeatedly traded His way for Caesar’s.
We took a faith built on carrying a cross and used it to decorate thrones.
That should make us pause today.
When Christianity becomes obsessed with controlling government, defeating cultural enemies, enforcing conformity, and keeping “our people” in power, we should recognize the pattern.
We have seen this movie before.
And somehow we keep buying tickets to a Christianity that looks nothing like Jesus.
Jesus never asked to become the mascot of an empire.
He called us to become servants in His Kingdom.
Christianity thrives when it offers the world an alternative to domination... not when it baptizes domination and calls it Christlike.
The Church is most powerful
when it looks like Jesus.
And Jesus conquered the world
from a cross.
Not a throne."
#ChristianNationalism

Something you arleady might know but i am compelled to remind you and others about .
SOON all who rejected the love of the truth , all not in the lambs book of life
Will have merged with one common mindset , UNDER A LIE
and TO MAKE WAR against the saints .
IT cometh sister and even now is it in the world .
And the lying spirit that was and is being sent out unto all false religoins and unto much of christendom already ,
HAS the prophesying one common love , inclusive love and A FAT LIE .
And it is preparing their minds for crusades , for to make war against WHO .
WELL who was the dragon angry with and who did it go to make war with
THOSE WHO KEEP the commandments of GOD and have the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST .
something that inclusive god has made void by a lie they think is so loving and even of GOD .
but the inclusive god IS NOT GOD .
Soon all power shall be given unto the b east , BY MEANS OF A POWERUL AI DIGITAL SYSTEM
which will ENFORCE the worship of its INCLUSIVE GOD upon all .
AND all who did not conform to its love , to its PEACE will be hunted down , persecuted and many killed .
THIS beast cometh to MAKE WAR with teh saints .
And these so called spirits , this so called love so many t hnk is love and of GOD
HAS been molding their minds to a lie . The lie of the inclusive god and of his harlot
who sits upon many waters and has g reatly influenced the nations , poltiicains , false religoins
and yes much of christendom to now merge as one for world peace and that we all serve the same GOD .
A LIE my dear sister .
SOMETHING was unleashed in this generation . AND Now it merges the lost
those who rejected the love of the truth , the false religoins
AS ONE TRIBE , as ONE RELIGOIN it calls love and one PLAN FOR PEACE IT CLIAMs bE OF GOD
but is NOT at all of GOD .
WE are all being set up sister . IT was all a sham . A lying spirit simply sent forth
TO DECIEVE the DECIEVED who loved a lie , to come be as one .
And the dragon gave him great power and his seat and great authority .
And the beast had power over ALL NATIONS and all tribes
And has come to make war with the true non conforming saints .
AND SISTER we aint got much time . IT RISES and it cometh for blood
and to convince all not in the lambs book of life of A LIE by which they all shall be damned .

 

[Lizbeth]

So you think that loving the people that make up a nation that live in a particular country is idolatry?

So we should hate everybody and only love Christ?
That's not what He said.

If we are under the sway of a sensual fleshly love, then yes it can actually be idolatry. That is not to say we are to hate anyone, of course not.......but the love of God is not the same as the love of man. The flesh profits nothing......and that includes fleshly love. If the light within us is darkness, then how great is that darkness.........if we're being worked up and inspired and carried away by something other than what comes from God, His Spirit, then that is not good sister. Sure, it "feels" good, but it isn't God.

 

[Lizbeth]

Let me repeat myself.
If you don't like it here, LEAVE

What spirit is this fruit of?

 

[Lizbeth]

Nation states are of the world........they are the kingdoms of the world that is appointed to wrath. That is why Israel under the old covenant was not God's ultimate plan. Her "theocracy" was only a stepping stone on the way to the kingdom of God which comes not with observation but is within us, a spiritual kingdom. We who know Christ, Jew or Gentile, are in the world but "of it" no longer. Our citizenship is now in heaven....we are ambassadors of God's kingdom while we are in the world, temporary sojourners - strangers and pilgrims passing through.

 

[Wrangler]

What spirit is this fruit of?

Spirit of survival. The same spirit that commanded us to buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.

 

[Ziggy]

Spirit of survival. The same spirit that commanded us to buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.

Problem is, some don't understand the battle.
You know in Revelation where it says Woe to the earth and the inhabitants thereof?
That means it literal, it's not the war in heaven, Jesus cast out that Devil, and threw him to the earth.
Now we are witnessing pure evil happening before our very eyes.
And you can't fight earthly demons with spiritual swords.
You actually have to fight them face to face.
The inner man is no longer running with the old crowd.
They are willing to die for what is Right and Honorable and Holy.
And Justice isn't just coming, It's here.

Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

Problem is, some don't understand the battle.

Watched a vid yesterday I hope to expand on it referenced the action in these verses

1 Timothy 6:10-12​

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Fight the Good Fight of Faith
11 But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

Flee and fight. It is the spiritual thing to do, take hold of what we were called. Not passivism to the n-th degree. Christian nationalism is what fighting looks like. The overly spiritualized want a good "fight" as commanded in Scripture to merely be words.

 

[amigo de christo]

Spirit of survival. The same spirit that commanded us to buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.

you mean spirit of TRUST IN YOUR OWN FLESH and own abilities .
FORGETTING THE FACT that all we need DO IS TRUST IN GOD .
You mean to say its this , THERE IS a way which seems RIGHT unto a man but the end thereof be death .

 

[Wrangler]

.but just that if we dive down a bit deeper there I wonder if there might be a deeper message also, on top of it, kind of another layer to His words.

Slippery slope to reading into things that aren't there.

Why do some insist this is The Way in light of God etching words in stone is the ultimate example in the human experience of direct and explicit communication?

 

[Wrangler]

If ... it can actually be idolatry. If the light within us is darkness........if we're being worked up and inspired and carried away , then that is not good sister.

Lots of rationalizations to suppose something is true that isn't. It's not a sin to meet our physical, carnal, fleshy, worldly needs.

If the light within us is darkness? Oy vey!

 

[amigo de christo]

Slippery slope to reading into things that aren't there.

Why do some insist this is The Way in light of God etching words in stone is the ultimate example in the human experience of direct and explicit communication?

you mean just like those inclusivians universalism ones . READING UNIVERSAL salvation INTO IT .
WHEN IN FACT JESUS said DAMANATION AWAITS ALL WHO BELIEVE NOT ON HIM , WHO REJECTED HIS GOSPEL .
DONT forget to include those ecumeincal harlot lovers of anti christ interfaith lies
who have done nothing but lead this people , WHO OBVISOULY LOVED A LIE , right to the day of their own destruction
and perdtion , by promising them THIS IS THE WAY TO PEACE N safety .
YOU MEAN T HOSE . yeah . WE got problems in the house wrangler
and it seems MANY have been TAKEN and WRANGLED right into A LIE .
figure out that message . cause i watch folks . AND I know who is already being and been influenced
to the lie . And soon will BUY THAT LIE , if they have not already bought it .

 

[Lizbeth]

Spirit of survival. The same spirit that commanded us to buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.

Spirit of survival.....??? ok I rest my case. At least you are admitting it though.

It's clear as crystal that is not the example that Jesus and the apostles exemplified and not what they taught.

 

[Lizbeth]

Slippery slope to reading into things that aren't there.

Why do some insist this is The Way in light of God etching words in stone is the ultimate example in the human experience of direct and explicit communication?

The two stones represent stony hearts of carnal man...right and left ventricle. As well as the carnal mind...right and left brain. We are supposed to receive a new heart, one that is soft, not stony but of His Spirit.

 

[Lizbeth]

Lots of rationalizations to suppose something is true that isn't. It's not a sin to meet our physical, carnal, fleshy, worldly needs.

If the light within us is darkness? Oy vey!

It's not a sin as long as you aren't sinning in meeting your needs, or otherwise violating God's will or personal instruction/leading.

 

[amigo de christo]

Spirit of survival.....??? ok I rest my case. At least you are admitting it though.

It's clear as crystal that is not the example that Jesus and the apostles exemplified and not what they taught.

very clear indeed my sister as to what that man b e trusting in . commonly known as HIS own arm
HE has made MAN his strength and in man he do trust . IN MAN he trusts to bring him peace n safety in the world .
ALL THE WHILE THE JESUS that one and only HEAVENLY KING
had said IN THIS WORLD YE WILL NOT HAVE PEACE , but only IN HIM . That in this world we would face
tribulations and persecutions , but to be of good cheer FOR HE has ov ercome the world .
Let not the man boast in his sword nor his president , nor in his riches or his own wisdom
RATHER LET HE WHO GLORIES and HE WHO BOASTS , DO SO IN THE LORD . its very clear
that many have all their hopes in the earthern and in man . AND MAY I JUST say
cursed is the man or woman who does so .
NOW as for the sheep , OH YES PRAISE BE TO GOD AND TO HIS CHRIST ,
they have put their hope , their faith , their trust IN THE HEAVENLY and IN ITS KING JESUS the CHRIST OF GOD ALL MIGHTY .
ITS v ery clear to see the stark difference in where ones faith , hope and trust is in sister .
AND ITS VERY CLEAR to the sheep , IT CANNOT BE BOTH THE EARTHEN and HEAVENLY
IT cannot be in man and IN GOD . IT MUST be IN THE HEAVENLY and the two cannot be merged .
But many cannot see nor discern this .
WHO can we trust in . SEEING man can lie and GOD CANNOT . I KNOW WHICH ONE TO TRUST , GOD .

 

[Lizbeth]

If the light within us is darkness? Oy vey!

Yes, that's what Jesus talked about, it's in the gospels....didn't you know?

 

[Lizbeth]

Watched a vid yesterday I hope to expand on it referenced the action in these verses

1 Timothy 6:10-12​

​

Fight the Good Fight of Faith
11 But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

Flee and fight. It is the spiritual thing to do, take hold of what we were called. Not passivism to the n-th degree. Christian nationalism is what fighting looks like. The overly spiritualized want a good "fight" as commanded in Scripture to merely be words.

Oh dear, you mean you don't know what the good fight of FAITH is? That is so sad for you. The good fight of faith is by faith, not by the flesh. I hope you will come to Jesus and receive His Spirit. Because our fight is a spiritual battle and it is by His Spirit that we fight it. God's ways are not man's ways, they are not carnal........they are higher.

 

[Wrangler]

Spirit of survival.....??? ok I rest my case. At least you are admitting it though.

As if there is any doubt that I would admit it. The entire Bible can be condensed into 2 words: Choose Life. It's all about how to live - in the now and hereafter.

 

[Ziggy]

Slippery slope to reading into things that aren't there.

Why do some insist this is The Way in light of God etching words in stone is the ultimate example in the human experience of direct and explicit communication?

The writing on the wall