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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by djstav, Nov 2, 2018.

  1. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    Well...if you are going to seek correction, allow me to clarify:

    The law is no longer here to correct, but was (during the times of Israel before the coming of Christ). Now, we need only believe their and His story of salvation and deliverance through His sacrifice...which was the fulfillment of the law. "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life."
     
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    I don't think any of us here are in a position to claim what God will do or won't do. Who knows, maybe people like us have this disorder to test the heart's & faith of people like you.
     
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    djstav Active Member

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    1 Timothy 1:8-10 KJV
    But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; [9] Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, [10] For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
     
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    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    Think what you will, but I was speaking of what I know.
     
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    djstav Active Member

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    Scott, we don't really know that much.

    1 Corinthians 13:12 KJV
    For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
     
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    That's cool, but Paul was speaking to two groups during the greatest transitional time in history: to the dead in Christ as well as to the living in Christ, and that passage was for the dead, whom are the first fold saved by Christ, that being Israel. But during these times of the gentiles (the other fold saved by Christ), the law does not pertain, for it was not given to the gentiles, but only to Israel. Nonetheless, Paul spoke to both groups. But the one should not be confused for the other. The terms for our time, I have already told you: You need only believe in Christ.
     
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    That was then - two thousand years ago. But even then we had already entered into "the times of the gentiles", the times of "God pouring out His spirit upon all flesh", and having "another Helper."

    But speak for yourself, I know what I have told you from God Himself. As I said, believe what you will.
     
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    Jesus is the word, correct? Is not the law the words of God?
     
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    djstav Active Member

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    If someone says they speak on behalf of God then I would think their character would embody this

    1 Corinthians 13:1-8 KJV
    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [2] And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [3] And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor , and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. [4] Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, [5] Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; [7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. [8] Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
     
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    Not exactly, that would be a misrepresentation of things.

    Yes, Jesus is the Word, and every word is to all. But all were not charged with the law - subject to it, yes, but not charged with it. The point is, that Jesus fulfilled the law for those who were charged and for those who were not, but we who were not charged with the law may come to God for salvation - to be set free of the law that we were never charged for, and yet found guilty of. Therefore, they lived under the law, but we live simply under death...or life in Christ, and are free from the law, for He has fulfilled it.
     
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    You have announce yourself as being a follower of Satan. As such, those words do not pertain to you. If you want to come under those words, you will have to change your position...while there is still time.
     
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    Go F yourself matey.
     
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    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    Quotable.
     
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    :D
     
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    so just nevermind what the v is really saying?
    i mean, no doubt, i guess that would be a Nihilist Fantasy, it is an attractive proposition even; except i thought Nihilists were usually believing in the cessation of consciousness at death, i forget the term, i've seen it applied to @amadeus ?
    We like to imagine that we have the power to decide where our egos are going to go, but i just don't think this can be Supported long-view wadr.
     
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    :rolleyes:
    right now we can even teach ppl to ignore the law right
    as long as we interpret a few other vv out of existence, no prob
    so iow you do not have your own set of civil laws based upon the Decalogue that you are required to follow, correct?
     
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    love the "God will save you by killing you" notion, yikes
     
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    this pretty much says it all i guess
     
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    I'm sure I don't know what Nihilism is all about. I just know what the truth is from God.
     
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    You're being pessimistic/contrary. I am just telling it like it is: God specifically only gave the law to Israel, and then fulfilled it within that nation through Christ who only came for the house of Israel (at that time). Then came the times of the gentiles whom God did not give the law, but invited them to come into the salvation of Christ after the fact. Those are the facts.

    Did we get much of our structure of laws from Israel? Yes, and that is good (a blessing to all peoples, just as He promised Abraham). But they have their part and we have ours.

    Did we reap the benefits of Christ having fulfilled the law within the context of the nation of Israel? Yes. But we only come in after the fact, after the law was fulfilled. Meaning, that we come in on the scene above the law (with Christ), while they came in on the scene under it. Again, those are the facts.
     
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