Christianity is NOT Derived From Judaism

[Davy]

Judaism as a religion Apostle Paul called "the Jew's religion". It is not... the basis of Christianity.

Judaism is the religion that came into existence in the era of the Jew's captivity to Babylon. That is where the original paleo-Hebrew characters of the Hebrew alphabet became corrupted into block letters of today. It is when the Jews started using Aramaic as their main language instead of Hebrew (except in some religious functions). It is where the Jew's Babylonian Talmud sage text was compiled, which they follow as their Judaism tradition, yet Lord Jesus rebuked.

Matt 15:1-3
15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 "Why do Thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread."
3 But He answered and said unto them, "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
KJV

The Jews pretended to follow God's law, and they were adamant in trying to enforce God's law upon others, but they themselves did not follow it. They followed the traditions of their Babylonian Talmud sage philosophical writings instead, even as it is to this day.

Jesus also said this about them...

Matt 15:7-9
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 "This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me."
9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
KJV

Lord Jesus also said about them...

Matt 23:1-7
23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to His disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
KJV

Christianity did NOT... come from that! And that is what the religion of Judaism is and was about even at the time of Jesus' 1st coming to die on the cross. The enemy ("tares") had crept in before and during their Babylon captivity, and distorted the true old covenant worship of God. Christianity instead is based on the Old Testament prophets and witness of Christ's Apostles and the witness by Lord Jesus Himself before and after He was crucified, having appeared to His disciples after His resurrection and chose Apostle Paul to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles, and to kings, and to the children of Israel, and gave us His Book of Revelation through His servant John.

 

[Wrangler]

More anti-semitism. Jesus was born a Jew under the law and is the Jewish Messiah. There is no evidence he ever stopped being Jewish.

John 4:22 salvation is from the Jews.

 

[Jack]

More anti-semitism. Jesus was born a Jew under the law and is the Jewish Messiah. There is no evidence he ever stopped being Jewish.

John 4:22 salvation is from the Jews.

Jesus, King of the Jews!

 

[Soyeong]

Judaism as a religion Apostle Paul called "the Jew's religion". It is not... the basis of Christianity.

Judaism is the religion that came into existence in the era of the Jew's captivity to Babylon. That is where the original paleo-Hebrew characters of the Hebrew alphabet became corrupted into block letters of today. It is when the Jews started using Aramaic as their main language instead of Hebrew (except in some religious functions). It is where the Jew's Babylonian Talmud sage text was compiled, which they follow as their Judaism tradition, yet Lord Jesus rebuked.

Matt 15:1-3
15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 "Why do Thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread."
3 But He answered and said unto them, "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
KJV

The Jews pretended to follow God's law, and they were adamant in trying to enforce God's law upon others, but they themselves did not follow it. They followed the traditions of their Babylonian Talmud sage philosophical writings instead, even as it is to this day.

Jesus also said this about them...

Matt 15:7-9
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 "This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me."
9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
KJV

Lord Jesus also said about them...

Matt 23:1-7
23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to His disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
KJV

Christianity did NOT... come from that! And that is what the religion of Judaism is and was about even at the time of Jesus' 1st coming to die on the cross. The enemy ("tares") had crept in before and during their Babylon captivity, and distorted the true old covenant worship of God. Christianity instead is based on the Old Testament prophets and witness of Christ's Apostles and the witness by Lord Jesus Himself before and after He was crucified, having appeared to His disciples after His resurrection and chose Apostle Paul to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles, and to kings, and to the children of Israel, and gave us His Book of Revelation through His servant John.

Some treat Christianity as if Jesus had come to start a separate religion, but he came as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and he set a perfect example for us to follow of how to practice Judaism by walking in sinless obedience to the Torah. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith in Jesus who were all zealous for the Torah, which is in accordance with Titus 2:14, where Jesus gave himself to redeem us form all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so Jews coming to faith in Jesus were not ceasing to practice Judaism but were becoming zealous for it. This means that there was a period of time between the resurrection of Jesus and the incision of Gentiles in Acts 10 that is estimated to be around 7-15 years during which all Christians were Torah observant Jews and that Christianity at its origin was the sect of Judaism that recognized Jesus as the Messiah. In Acts 24:14, Paul testified that according to The Way, which they call a sect, he continued to worship the God of their fathers, believing everything laid down by the Torah and written in the Prophets, and the religion of which The Way is a sect is Judaism. While Jesus criticized some Pharisees with the heart behind some of the traditions they were following, that does not mean that he taught separate religion.

 

[Jack]

Some treat Christianity as if Jesus had come to start a separate religion, but he came as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and he set a perfect example for us to follow of how to practice Judaism by walking in sinless obedience to the Torah. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith in Jesus who were all zealous for the Torah, which is in accordance with Titus 2:14, where Jesus gave himself to redeem us form all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so Jews coming to faith in Jesus were not ceasing to practice Judaism but were becoming zealous for it. This means that there was a period of time between the resurrection of Jesus and the incision of Gentiles in Acts 10 that is estimated to be around 7-15 years during which all Christians were Torah observant Jews and that Christianity at its origin was the sect of Judaism that recognized Jesus as the Messiah. In Acts 24:14, Paul testified that according to The Way, which they call a sect, he continued to worship the God of their fathers, believing everything laid down by the Torah and written in the Prophets, and the religion of which The Way is a sect is Judaism. While Jesus criticized some Pharisees with the heart behind some of the traditions they were following, that does not mean that he taught separate religion.

Why don't you answer my simple questions?

Do you have a sacrifice for your sins?

Would you execute your family as Torah COMMANDS?

How many have you Torah preachers executed as Torah COMMANDS?

Should Torah preachers be executed for not obeying Torah?

 

[Soyeong]

Why don't you answer my simple questions?

Do you have a sacrifice for your sins?

Would you execute your family as Torah COMMANDS?

How many have you Torah preachers executed as Torah COMMANDS?

Should Torah preachers be executed for not obeying Torah?

I’ve already told you the answer to those questions multiple times, but you aren’t interested in answers.

 

[Grailhunter]

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Judaism as a religion Apostle Paul called "the Jew's religion". It is not... the basis of Christianity.

Judaism is the religion that came into existence in the era of the Jew's captivity to Babylon. That is where the original paleo-Hebrew characters of the Hebrew alphabet became corrupted into block letters of today. It is when the Jews started using Aramaic as their main language instead of Hebrew (except in some religious functions). It is where the Jew's Babylonian Talmud sage text was compiled, which they follow as their Judaism tradition, yet Lord Jesus rebuked.

Matt 15:1-3
15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 "Why do Thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread."
3 But He answered and said unto them, "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
KJV

The Jews pretended to follow God's law, and they were adamant in trying to enforce God's law upon others, but they themselves did not follow it. They followed the traditions of their Babylonian Talmud sage philosophical writings instead, even as it is to this day.

Jesus also said this about them...

Matt 15:7-9
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 "This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me."
9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
KJV

Lord Jesus also said about them...

Matt 23:1-7
23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to His disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
KJV

Christianity did NOT... come from that! And that is what the religion of Judaism is and was about even at the time of Jesus' 1st coming to die on the cross. The enemy ("tares") had crept in before and during their Babylon captivity, and distorted the true old covenant worship of God. Christianity instead is based on the Old Testament prophets and witness of Christ's Apostles and the witness by Lord Jesus Himself before and after He was crucified, having appeared to His disciples after His resurrection and chose Apostle Paul to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles, and to kings, and to the children of Israel, and gave us His Book of Revelation through His servant John.

LOL Christianity is not derived from Judaism????
Yeshua was a Jew.....His mother Miriam was a jew.....His Apostles were Jews.
He was the prophesied Messiah.....
The first Christian sect was Jewish-Christians.
The Apostles and Jewish-Christians worshipped in the Temple.
The four Gospels.....most of the time when Yeshua is talking to the Jews it about the Mosaic Law.
All of the writers of the New Testament, quoted the Old Testament.
New Testament writers referenced Old Testament characters and stories.

Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.

 

[Lambano]

Christianity is NOT Derived From Judaism​

... except for worshipping the Jewish God and appropriating the Jewish scriptures.

 

[Wrangler]

Some treat Christianity as if Jesus had come to start a separate religion... the religion of which The Way is a sect is Judaism.

A religion grounded in the Law seems different than one founded in Grace.

 

[IndianaRob]

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LOL Christianity is not derived from Judaism????
Yeshua was a Jew.....His mother Miriam was a jew.....His Apostles were Jews.
He was the prophesied Messiah.....
The first Christian sect was Jewish-Christians.
The Apostles and Jewish-Christians worshipped in the Temple.
The four Gospels.....most of the time when Yeshua is talking to the Jews it about the Mosaic Law.
All of the writers of the New Testament, quoted the Old Testament.
New Testament writers referenced Old Testament characters and stories.

Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.

How is Christianity the fulfillment of Judaism when Christianity under another name existed 430 years before Judaism?

Reference:

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[Grailhunter]

How is Christianity the fulfillment of Judaism when Christianity under another name existed 430 years before Judaism?

This statement does not make any sense?
Granted that Yahweh knew what would happen. But no, no Christian sect in the Old Testament.
One of those Sunday School questions.......Why did God wait so long? Why not start salvation with Adam and Eve and their children?

 

[IndianaRob]

This statement does not make any sense?
Granted that Yahweh knew what would happen. But no, no Christian sect in the Old Testament.
One of those Sunday School questions.......Why did God wait so long? Why not start salvation with Adam and Eve and their children?

Was Abraham saved by grace through faith? Are you and I? The answer is yes to both. That’s why I said Christianity under a different name but it’s still Christianity isn’t it?

 

[IndianaRob]

@Grailhunter

So if Abraham was saved by grace through faith, and we are too, the Law was never the mechanism of salvation for anybody.

Paul says why it showed up when it did: "the covenant... which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect... Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made." (Gal 3:17,19)

So to your question — why not start with Adam and Eve? He did; the promise/grace track runs the whole way from Eden through Abraham to Christ. The Law was a ~1500 year detour bolted onto the middle of that — a "schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ" (3:24) — to show that law-keeping was never going to get anyone there.

That's why I call it Christianity under a different name the whole time, not Judaism maturing into something else.

 

[Soyeong]

A religion grounded in the Law seems different than one founded in Grace.

Grace is a gift and gifts can’t be earned, so grace is incompatible with Law insofar as it is obeyed in order to earn a wage, however, there can be other reasons for obeying the Law that are compatible with grace. For example, the content of a gift can be the experience of getting to do something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it as the result. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to be a doer of those works because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of his gift of salvation. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so those has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

@IndianaRob

 

[Grailhunter]

Was Abraham saved by grace through faith? Are you and I? The answer is yes to both. That’s why I said Christianity under a different name but it’s still Christianity isn’t it?

Part of this depends on your definition of grace.....grace vs Grace. The scripture say faith and Grace did not exist in the Old Testament.
Christianity under a different name? Nothing like Christianity in the Old Testament.

Paul says why it showed up when it did: "the covenant... which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect... Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made." (Gal 3:17,19)

The Law does not have the character or purpose of Christianity.

So to your question — why not start with Adam and Eve? He did; the promise/grace track runs the whole way from Eden through Abraham to Christ. The Law was a ~1500 year detour bolted onto the middle of that — a "schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ" (3:24) — to show that law-keeping was never going to get anyone there.

People have been pondering the purpose of the Law for centuries.....no agreement. Knowledge of the Law brought about knowledge of sin.
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20
The purpose of the Law was probably a lot more than morality.

 

[IndianaRob]

Grace is a gift and gifts can’t be earned, so grace is incompatible with Law insofar as it is obeyed in order to earn a wage, however, there can be other reasons for obeying the Law that are compatible with grace. For example, the content of a gift can be the experience of getting to do something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it as the result. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to be a doer of those works because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of his gift of salvation. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so those has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

@IndianaRob

I hear you on the Ferrari illustration, but I'd put it simpler: the Law is for the lost, grace is for the saved.

Paul says as much directly: "the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners" (1 Tim 1:9).

 

[David Lamb]

I hear you on the Ferrari illustration, but I'd put it simpler: the Law is for the lost, grace is for the saved.

Paul says as much directly: "the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners" (1 Tim 1:9).

Yes, we do still need God's grace once we have been saved, but saying that grace id for the saved seems to ignore what Paul says when he says that it is by grace we are saved:

(Eph 2:8-9 NKJV) For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

So unsaved sinners need God's grace if they are to be saved.

 

[IndianaRob]

Yes, we do still need God's grace once we have been saved, but saying that grace id for the saved seems to ignore what Paul says when he says that it is by grace we are saved:

(Eph 2:8-9 NKJV) For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

So unsaved sinners need God's grace if they are to be saved.

I agree they need God’s grace to be saved but what I’m saying is that unbelievers are not under the covenant of grace which means that if they stay that way they will be judged by the law.

 

[Lambano]

Grace in Judaism:

In Judaism, grace (Hebrew: חֵן, chen) signifies favor, kindness, and divine compassion, emphasizing God’s mercy and the relationship between the giver and the recipient.​

Linguistic and Scriptural Meaning​

The Hebrew word for grace is חֵן (chen), derived from the root חָנָה (chanah), which literally means “to encamp” or “to pitch a tent”. This root conveys the idea of safety, refuge, and acceptance, reflecting how one finds favor or protection within God’s presence. In the Tanakh, chen appears 69 times, often highlighting the relationship of a superior to an inferior, such as God’s favor toward humans despite their imperfections or sins. For example, Noah “found grace in the eyes of the Lord” (Genesis 6:8), illustrating divine favor granted not as a reward but as a relational gift.

Theological Significance​

In Jewish thought, grace is one of God’s key attributes, alongside justice and righteousness. It represents loving-kindness, mercy, and compassion, particularly toward the weak, the unfortunate, and the sinful.. Unlike strict justice, grace is extended even to the undeserving, though it is often conditioned on sincere repentance. Scriptural passages such as Exodus 34:6 describe God as “merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,” emphasizing the balance between divine justice and mercy.

Grace in Jewish Practice​

Grace permeates Jewish liturgy and daily practice. Prayers such as “Ahabah Rabbah” and “Shemoneh ‘Esreh” express gratitude for God’s mercy and seek divine favor.During the High Holy Days, the concept of grace is central, reflecting God’s willingness to forgive and sustain His people. The emphasis is on acknowledging God’s sovereignty and receiving His favor, rather than earning it through deeds alone

Summary​

In Judaism, grace (chen) is both a linguistic and spiritual concept that conveys divine favor, protection, and mercy. It underscores the relational aspect of God’s interaction with humanity, highlighting that God’s kindness is freely given, often to those who are undeserving, and is a cornerstone of Jewish ethical and liturgical life.

 

[Lambano]

Evangelical Christianity has taken the polemic nature of Paul's letters to generate a narrative that Judaism is a graceless religion. And Evangelicalism bought into it hook, line, and sinker. One of my Bible Study classes took pains to point out instances of God's grace in the Old Testament. Watch for it when you read the Hebrew scriptures.

The very founding principle of Judaism is God's grace.