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  1. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Imperfect.
     
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    I don't disagree with that; they're not mutually exclusive in my view. For the events in Revelation, when satan rules in full view, I was thinking more of a physical throne, in the third temple. I understand there's some debate about this, but it's just my opinion of course.

    Revelation 13:5-8 "5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
    7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
    8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
     
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    It's my belief that it will be a physical marking, whether a tattoo or a microchip, that shows others that the mark taker is satan's. More like a branding, if you will. All those who can't be identified with a mark and who won't worship satan, will be put to death: Revelation 13:15 "15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."
     
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    John 3:33 KJV
    [33] He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

    Love is the bond, or seal of perfectness
    Tecarta Bible
     
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    The wheat grows up with the chafe. Christ will bring the wheat into his barn at the harvest. It’s the one with the winnowing fork in his hand that decides which is which.
    Also this is not a end all event this has been taking place since Pentecost.
     
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    The real question is how honest are we about our sexual focus and direction.
    If history tells us anything love and affection are our biggest drivers, and if Gods people can let Jesus's love rule in their hearts, there is always a light in the darkness.

    What the modern world is doing is asking fundamental questions about our emotional makeup and often deep hypocrisy in how we relate one to another. If our faith and the Holy Spirit in us is real, it will grow and be an expression of reality in our lives.

    Paul was faced with a society that had orgies and every type of sexual exploit. He still had live churches and truth grow amongst the believers and it will be no different today, for the elect who listen and follow Jesus.
     
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    I'm not looking for you to please me. This isn't a bad answer. How is it a mockery?
     
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    It stands in opposition to His display of redemption.
    Which at the same time in some creepy way it’s also in conjunction.
    Being I’m a man he’s in me and I’m in Him
     
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    Maybe it’s best I don’t respond to this anymore?
     
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    Okay, so you're saying that you have no clue other than what the bible is telling you to believe?

    Satan sits on the throne of every heart that places themselves before anyone else. We're all antichrists until Christ comes to reign in the new creation.

    Got it. So you don't actually see Satan ruling anywhere, you just believe it because it's what the bible tells you?

    It's ironic that you see this happening in a book, but nowhere else. The mark of the beast allows one to buy and sell, but we're buying and selling therefore these can't be the end times, right? If these are the end times, then it might be beneficial to find some other way to get by without buying and selling , no? Do you want to risk your eternal reward on a vague idea? Do you see the signs of the times? If so, then how can you continue to buy and sell?
     
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    So how do "orgies and every type of sexual exploit" fit into the situation today? Are you suggesting that two gay men who are professing their undying love for each other fit into that category? If so, why? And how will that allow you to refrain from validating their "marriage"?
     
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    How so?

    I'm not following your argument. I don't see any difference. The LGBTZ could make the same claim, no?
     
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    One thing I’ve learned today from God speaking truth is that I no longer have to please man. I’m free to please God and in Christ He’s pleased, could this not also be found in a homosexual?
     
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    God is telling us, through the Bible.

    And I never said I don't see a fallen world around me (or in the news)...

    I didn't argue that. I'm not antichrist at all, and I'm here on earth.

    Nope, I didn't say that at all. I said it was backed by scripture. I see the fallen world for what it is.

    I don't think there's a physical throne setup now where satan is claiming to be God, yet.

    I would think, that if satan ruled publicly as in the tribulation and there wasn't any pushback from God as there is today, we'd have different laws that were enforced by the police and courts. Some quick examples would be: whomever doesn't have a physical mark is imprisoned until their death, all drugs are legal, can't critize government.

    You are putting words in my mouth. I do see this happening. And that book, the Bible, God's Word, is also prophecizing what the future will look like, so it connects Jesus' days on Earth, now, and the future...

    As to getting by without buying and selling, that doesn't apply to me. First, I'm a pre-trib rapture believer. Second, if the pre-trib rapture doesn't occur (and the theories are wrong), I'll go with rejecting satan's mark and get tortured to death or quickly put to death, rather than try to survive. That's just me though.

    How can I continue to buy/sell? I believe the mark of the beast will be a microchip (or a tattoo that can be bar-scanned) via electronic money (cryptocurrencies/bitcoin), and I don't invest in those now. If/when it becomes a must, I'll reject using that method. And if that's the only method, then I won't be able to buy/sell.

    I'm sure I could barter for food/goods, but I'd rather be in Heaven with Jesus anyway.

    Also, commerce did occur during Jesus time, nor did he say not to engage in it, nor don't work/have income, etc. It's a no-no when the beast enforces it upon punishment of death, however.
     
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    Perhaps, but do you think that extends to marriage as well? Why or why not?
     
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    I don’t have an answer
     
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    Only thing I would say here is isn’t marriage an institution of God?
     
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    What you posted was this:
    God commands us to have no other gods before him. Do you really think God will draw the line at a literal throne? The antichrist sits in the temple showing himself to be God. If I no longer worship in spirit and truth, I am an antichrist. I am sitting in a position of authority over myself instead of having God sovereign over my life. When Jesus says, "I never knew you", he isn't saying that because people bowed down to a literal throne. They were acting according to their own will rather than God's will.

    Pushback? You mean like pushing back some 50 million abortions? Oh wait, we didn't push them back at all, did we? Do you know how big a lake would be necessary to contain that much blood? Do you mean the pushback that prevented those hundreds of thousands of people from being blown to pieces by our military? Oh wait, there was no pushback at all, was there? The law of the land in the US today literally allows for highway robbery. It's a multibillion dollar business, and there's no pushback from God at all. A law enforcement officer can pull you over, and claim that your car as well as all of its contents could have been used in a crime, and confiscate all of it, including whatever money, credit cards, etc. are in your wallet. You'll never get any of it back either. There are over 80,000 SWAT raids conducted in this country every year. Innocent people are being blown to pieces in this country every day by law enforcement, and they're doing it with impunity. if you can't see the tribulation that is going on all around you, I don't see how you can have a clue.

    There are countless people who are serving life sentences in prison without the possibility of parole for doing nothing other than working at their job. I know one guy in particular who was a mechanic working on a fleet of trucks that turned out to be owned by a company that was trafficking drugs. The mechanic didn't know what they were doing, but that didn't stop the government from putting him away for life without parole. Murderers get out in a just a few years with good behavior. Snowden, Assange, Manning, Roger Stone and others have pointed out that the government is murdering people with impunity, and the government is actively working to put them away forever.



    Jesus asked if anyone had a Roman coin. He didn't have one, and when they placed it into his hand, he told them "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's". What we have today is anathema to God. The entire banking system is satanic to the core. It is blatant fraud to print money that is essentially worthless, and pretend that it has any value at all. It literally states right on the front that it isn't even money. It's literally a token of trillions of dollars of debt; debt that can never be repaid without making it completely worthless. It's pure evil, but hey we all know that when there's a tattoo or an RFID chip, that makes all the difference. That's what really makes it evil, right? Let's apply this theory to prostitution, shall we? Why not? After all, it's the mark itself that makes it evil, right? So if there's no mark, then prostitution, fornication, etc. are all perfectly fine and condoned by God up to, and until that mark shows up. Good to know...
     
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