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Christianity's love of the world will be its downfall.

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  1. shnarkle

    shnarkle Well-Known Member

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    Instituted for what purpose?
     
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    To display Christ and His Church
     
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    Yes, I did. And then you added words to my mouth. Then I stated that you were wrong that I only need the Bible to see the fallen world around me (and in the news).

    And I don't have other gods before him. I never said I did.

    Yes, I do really think that the prophecy that Jesus Christ gave John the Revelator that resulted in the book of Revelation is the final line in the sand. The throne is just a part of that. The reason I say the beat/satan will have a physical throne in full view, is based upon another prophecy in scripture:
    2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 "3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

    You don't agree that the prophecies in scripture (2 Thessalonians 2, and Revelation) will be true?

    Yes, pushback. The only reason all things that satan likes in opposition to God are not legal by government enforcement right now, is because of God and God alone. Voters and believers are not able to do what God can do.

    Again, I didn't say I can't see some tribulation going on right now, you are once again putting words into my mouth.

    I stated that it's a fallen world, and can see that around me.

    I disagree that "the Tribulation" (as Revelation states it will unfold) as begun however.

    Jesus said we will have tribulation in this life. Some scripture:
    -2 Corinthians 4:8-12 "We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death is at work in us, but life in you."
    -1 Thessalonians 1:6 "And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:"
    -2 Timothy 3:12 "Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted"
    -Romans 8:35 "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?"
    -Matthew 13:21 "Yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away."

    I have more than a clue, I have Jesus' teachings.

    I didn't say I was for the USA, or any country or kingdom in satan's kingdom. In fact, as I've stated on this forum many times, I am not for any country here on Earth. I'm for Jesus' kingdom, now, and in the millinium when he will reign on Earth in person.

    So you're telling me to not live with money, or use money, in this country, today, yet you are communicating with me on a computer that was purchased with money. Are you homeless too? Do you have a car? A job that pays money?

    And I didn't say that it was "only" the mark itself that is evil. Where are you getting these words you're putting into my mouth. This is getting old already; are you sure you don't want to have a conversation by yourself?

    "So if there's no mark, then prostitution, fornication, etc. are all perfectly fine and condoned by God up to, and until that mark shows up. Good to know..."

    I never said it was condoned by God, nor that if there's no mark then prostituition, fornication, etc. are perfectly fine. Never once did I say that. You are putting words into my mouth again. You're having a conversation with yourself and not me...

    God says prostitution, fornication, killing, drugs, etc, is wrong. Yet nowadays, there are some laws of men that make some of those illegal, and some of those legal. Regardless of mankind's legality of those behaviors, God is against them.

    Here on earth, now, prostitution is illegal. A lot of drugs are illegal. Fornication is legal. Killing is sometimes legal - in war, by cops, yet most times is illegal.

    In God's laws, all those are illegal. So there's a discrepancy, specifically, satan's kingdoms here on earth.

    I believe that in satan's kingdom during the tribulation of Revelation, that it will probably be legal to sell/buy sex, fornicate, buy/sell/use all drugs. Killing will be legal by government enforcers. Abortion will continue to be legal.
     
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    Let’s look at this one, since I’ve personally experienced it. That man of sin was/is me, that’s right, there I was sitting on his rightful throne opposing and exalting myself above all that is called God. But then he that was preventing was taken out of the way. Praise God.
    Could it be that there are just some man made theology out there, that distorts Gods truth

    2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 KJV
    [8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    ^^^ this also happened/happening
    Well anyhow this has been my experience. I’d only add once again the wheat grows and is harvested with the tares.
    Tecarta Bible
     
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    If I'm understanding you right, you're saying that the Bible is not to be taken literal, that's it's all just symbols?

    Also, are you saying, that you are not only a man of sin, but that you sit on a throne opposing and exalting yourself above all that is called God? I can understand you saying you're a man of sin - we all are sinners, and need Jesus' sacrifice to cover our sins. But that doesn't mean you/I sit upon a throne and oppose and exalt yourself/myself above all that is called God. Being a sinner does not make one the beast/satan.

    I don't see how this distorts God's truth at all. Perhaps some of the scripture you are reading isn't meant to be taken symbolically, but literally...And that is what you are calling "man made theology" instead of reading scripture literally as God's word, and not man-made theology.
     
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    Where are you getting this from?
     
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    Antichrist is anything that opposes Christ. What I’m saying is this was me prior to his reign on the throne of my heart. This is literal and spiritual for me. I read the left behind series years ago and I believe I’ve heard about every escatalogical explanation there is look at this

    Psalm 19:4-6 KJV
    [4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, [5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. [6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

    2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV
    [8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


    Tecarta Bible
    Tecarta Bible
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    God.
     
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    I don't agree with your interpretation. Sitting in God's temple has nothing to do with the temple that was destroyed in Jerusalem. 1 Corinthians 6:19 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


    It sounds like you have your own private definition of believers. Believers are just the type who can do what God can do because God gives them the ability to do it.



    No, you're changing your story. I supplied your own words which gave no indication that you had a clue what was going on in the world around you.

    No, Jesus told you that you can't work for money and God; take your pick. We both know what you've chosen to rely upon so we know where you stand already. I've spent decades living on the street. Just about every library in the US allows people to walk in right off the street and use their computers. I quite working for money ten years ago. I pay NOTHING in property or income taxes. Jesus draws the line at the first dime. I still have money so I will probably see you in hell my friend. Get honest with yourself before it's too late.

    It's exactly what you posted.

    I can only go by what you're actually posting. I'm not a mind reader.


    I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your posts. God commands that one engage in honest commerce, and there is nothing honest or fair in the banking system we have today in the world. It is the antithesis of God's law. The world reserve status of the US dollar is a scam, and the rest of the world is waking up to it. Foreign countries are reducing their exposure to US debt. The writing is on the wall, and when all those countries begin looking for something to buy with all those dollars they've been hoarding for decades, it's all going to come back to the US. Do you know what happens when billions upon billions of dollars flood into a country? It's going to be an economic disaster. Your reliance on money will leave you desolate.

    He's against dishonest monetary practices as well, and that's exactly what a Central bank is. The BIS, IMF, the Fed, etc. are all dishonest fraudulent scams.

    Oh? Pardon me if your version of prophecy is less than anti climactic.
     
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    If God didn't give you a defense, then I doubt your claims. Prove it. Present a defense for your faith. Contrary to your vague references, the church has a defense which you haven't been able to present.

    I'll ask you one more time: What is your defense against those who seek to commit abominations within the church? How do you defend the church's right to sanction traditional marriages while rejecting the abominations of the LGBTQ community? Christian churches around the country are already succumbing to pressure from these organizations, and marrying what God expressly forbids. Do you have a defense or not?

    1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    2 Corinthians 10:5 - Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

    Titus 1:9 - Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

    2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    2 Thessalonians 2:15 - Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

    Jude 1:3 - Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
     
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    shnarkle Well-Known Member

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    When Jesus says, "beware the leaven of the Pharisees", do you think he's talking about bread?
     
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    I’ve been subjected to hope in Christ
     
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    Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ
    This was completed by Christ at The Crusifiction.
     
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    Are you a gainsayer
     
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    Is this for your approval of me. Or is this me to see God approves of me?
     
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    I’m a work in progress.
     
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    Haven’t been taught any traditions.
     
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    I don't agree with yours.

    1 Corinthians 6:19 is talking about the temple of the Holy Ghost, which is in us believers.

    2 Thessalonian 2 is talking about the upcoming temple of God that will be built by Jews (why it's called the "temple of God"), and which the beast/antichrist will sit in.

    If you don't agree, ok.

    I have my own private definition of believers? Heh, you're telling me I believe differently, when it's you who just claimed that believers can do what God is able to do...the creator of the Heavens on the Earth is the same as believers He created. That's an unbelievably arrogant statement, and possibly against God.


    No I'm not; I'm correcting the words you put into my mouth that I didn't say.

    No, Jesus did not say you can't work for money and God. Jesus said you will serve one or the other; you will love one and despise the other. One can work for money and not love money, while serving God and loving God.

    Yes, I know where I stand. Your opinion of where I stand is irrelevant; only Jesus Christ's opinion of me counts.

    Great about living on the street. Were you born on the street too? Were you raised with money made from work? You stated you quit working for money ten years ago, so you at least did so at some point...and then you say you still have money while saying I'm the hypocrit.

    Jesus covers my sins that I ask forgiveness for. I will be going to Heaven if He, and only He, accepts me. You should try it, Jesus covers sins so you don't have to choose to go to Hell.

    Please quote my words that said ""only" the mark itself that is evil". I didn't say it. If you read into what I wrote, or what I wrote didn't answer your question/statement, that doesn't mean that is all that I believe. It's called a conversation...

    Neither am I. Though you did put words into my mouth that I didn't/wasn't saying.

    I wasn't hypocritical. What was hypocritical, is you saying you are a Christian but you think that Jesus doesn't cover your sins and that you are probably going to hell.

    I haven't engaged in dishonest commerce. Yes, I agree, the system is dishonest, but I am not. I didn't create the central bank and I don't help run it.

    I don't rely on money for life. I rely on Jesus for life. And when I die, and I will, I will enter into eternal life in Heaven with Jesus. So my life here on earth is very short, and temporary, and I seek not survive as long as I can. Same as every other believer in Jesus Christ who covers their sins.

    With God's judgment and wrath falling down upon Earth and earth-dwellers, via the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials, it will not be anti-climatic.
     
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    No I don't. It's a parable regarding trusting in mankind/satan's laws and ways.
     
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    Marriage is for children, not sexual pleasure. Gay people cannot create what God intended. They will try but fail. It is the nature of sin to justify how one feels.
    Intimacy is not necessarily sexual, though unfortunately in the world that is all they know it appears. Most marriages are not founded on sex, that is just the beginning.
     
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