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Simple inquiry: How involved with US Politics and Policies should Christians be?


Would love responses to this question

America is coming so close to Socialism in the past 20 years or so. Should Christians stand up and speak about what is going on? Is it enough to just pray? With abortions and removal of any referrence to God from the public eye, should Christians just pray that hearts would be changed (those in government). Would the Lord just have us pray or combine it with action?

I'm sure there are many here who are asking the very same questions. I thought it would be good to bring questions and answers out in the open here. Is God still Lord in the U.S.A..?
 

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I think Christians have been silent for way too long. While I believe we can be silent no longer, we must pray like never before. Too many of our rights are being taken away. A socialist agenda is being forced on us. We are being threatened with hate speech laws of the homosexual agenda. Do I even have to mention abortion? The U.S. is in serious trouble and we can't sit idly by any longer.

Moses
 

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Thank you Moses for your response, I 'm glad we are in one accord. I'm very concerned about our recent treatment of Isreal. If the USA forces Isreal to turn Jerusalem over to the Palestinians it will be the downfall of the USA. Christians should be looking at Isreal which will tell what is before us and how soon..
 

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It's obvious that the current administration doesn't understand the importance of our relationship with Israel. The church has got to rise up and take authority in these areas. I have always considered Israel the homeland of Christianity. It's our duty to ally with our "homeland."

Moses
 

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Well, it goes back to "Render unto Caesar..."

The American political system relies on the people. If you ever want to understand that, I suggest reading Orwell's 1984. The only way that the system works correctly is when the people vigilantly maintain their officeholders irregardless of party affiliation. This is not the politically correct statement to make, but this is exactly why suffrage was originally only granted to males. The idea was that you maintained a homogeneous society where views might differ by a bit, but not by that much. I have no issue with expanding suffrage because females et. al. should have those rights. Unfortunately, this expanded the rights to a new breed of immigrant that we've begun to see in earnest only in the past few decades. Like it or not, most new immigrants have been raised in this new social-communistic system of government. They've been conditioned well and they believe it works in spite of their own flight from their native land where it was instituted and clearly did not work. It's the easy way to achieve the American dream. Obviously, this doesn't work with the supply and demand of Capitalism. Communism and Socialism were created specifically to address this need by some intellectuals, but have failed miserably in their most overt forms. Unfortunately, we've bred a new class that thinks there were good ideas in Communism/Socialism and that they still can be combined with Capitalism to create a fair system.

Simultaneously, some of the self-labeled "intellectuals" and "academics" began espousing their own ideas based on new concepts of Utopian government. What they want you to think is like any grand of-the-world strategy; everything will be fixed for you. On the surface you have some "benevolent" folks who simply want to help the poor. The problem is, they themselves don't necessarily care or desire to do it. (Otherwise, they might donate their own time and salary as opposed to pushing legislation to force others to do it.) If you ever watch, there's always another end. Ironically, these great minds that do nothing but theorize in classroom environments continue to be highly paid (think tenure, etc.) by the same institution that they are apart of and desire to see expand. Similarly, the politicians that think this always draw up new groups of constituents by appealing to frankly: 1) The academics, 2) The minorities, and 3) New immigrants that can vote.

In recent history, the first two have sufficed for BOTH (read that) parties. The Republicans, in 2000 and 2004, eked out a victory with the Hispanic vote and the Democrats relied heavily on the academically-conditioned students and minorities in 2008. Curiously, key discussions with each past presidential candidate have revolved around immigration. Guess what? These goons must find a way to counter the core American population which does not like where things are going. Each year the number of voters who don't vote is shrinking, but they hide this with waves of new voters who they motivate to do the same by providing lots of carrots and no sticks.

So by rendering unto Caesar, Christians should be active. Like most American, Western, and Christian nations, we tend to desire to be left alone. We'll tolerate unfavorable and political circumstances because there are more important things in life. Unfortunately, the Socialists/Communists out there have interpreted this as weakness and even possibly assent. If you look at the current political landscape, you have politicians who think they're such the social saviors that they are free to use any method around to bring about what the people "really need" to get their lives in order. In most cases, the Representative Democracy has broken down at the Representative part. We elect these leaders and they think they have a mandate (to use a political buzzword) to implement things as they see fit. The folks think that by getting elected, the people support everything they want done. When you have widespread disagreement with a policy, they dismiss it as false. "How could anyone oppose their benevolent agenda with only your best interests at heart?" is what they ask.

I think Christians absolutely must stand up. Biblically speaking, we've turned our cheeks (you only have two) and allowed our religion and races to be insulted. We've handed the government our cloaks on top of what we already give them. We STILL rush to give people in need more money than any nation on Earth. America is still a Christian nation, but just like the Israel that many are descended from, the powers at be are separating themselves from God. It shows in our schools and in our lives. We have as much as we've ever had, but we're still not happy!

I have a treasured picture with a verse that sits on my bookshelf. I look at it everyday:

II Chronicles 7:14
if my people who are called by my name g humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

We are to always be Christian, never placing aside our faith and that includes in the political arena. If an atheist can be a politician, a Christian darn well can be as well!

PS: Let me just throw in here that contrary to I'm sure some assertions that will be made somewhere, this is not a racially or ethnically motivated hate statement. You have a right to live in the country you desire, and if you want to come here and experience the true American dream (like I've seen and know many who've done it), then you're always welcome here. Just don't try and come change the system for your betterment at the expense of those that already live here and have run things pretty well now for a couple hundred years.
 

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Very good post Hammerstone! Very good post! Where did this concept come into play that Christians are weak? All the scripture I read says the opposite. I believe a lot has to do with what is being taught in some churches. We as the body must demand that the truth of God's word is being taught. No more watered down word. The world needs us to be salt and light. The head and not the tail!

Moses :D
 

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Hammerstone and Moses great discussion. Great points. Moses I'm not sure of your age but I have a good idea of Hammerstone's ( I read your profile, my brother), lol. It makes a person my age feel at peace about the future of America we leave behind us. The Lord is and will use you Brother Hammerstone in a mighty way. Great open doors will be opened before you. , Anyway, I have found it quite troubling since prayer and the Bible was taken out of our schools, yet the Congress (both houses) and the US Supreme Court begin with prayer before every session. Our children are not allowed, instead they are in tolerance , sex education,etc. They are taught that our founding fathers were athiests and slave owners, Even in some cases is true. The children are not told about the saccrifices they made to make this Country is today. Soldiers in George Washington's army wouldn't dare take the Lord's Name in vain. Today in many cases they are encouraged to so they sound tough. Chaplains are not allowed to pray in Jesus Name while in a military uniform. These are only some of the changes that have brought America to where it is today. Many would say these are no big things, hmmmmm!. I think it is like putting a frog in a pot of water and turn the burner on low, the frog is comfortable untilthe water gets real hot. This is where America is today.Now we are feeling the heat. Love You all,in Jesus Name
 

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The cry against American socialist trends is nothing more than regurgitated partisan politics. As such it throws a smokescreen over any workable solution to our national dilemma. It's been going on for decades (since the inception of the social security system in fact) and is no closer to a resolution than to an adequate definition.

As proof of this cyclical partisan squabbling I submit that social security, which is the ultimate American expression of socialism, will find no voice among detractors. Who will deny compensation to their infirm grandmother? Who will refuse retirement benefits when it is their time to collect? None will raise their voice because these things are too comfortable to excuse. Therefore all cat calls about creeping socialism are nothing more than unfounded selfish rants. It is easier to deny someone else their benefits than to give up one's own.

What then shall we say about the true problems in our country? Looking back at the turn of the century, the notion of our country becoming embroiled in another Viet Nam war and the repetition of the Great Depression were laughable possibilities. Today the reality is apparent to even the uneducated and the political defeatists. Aggressive atheist agendas intend to reduce Christianity to a voiceless crippled philosophy; invisible and illegal in public and only allowed in a dark corner.

Sin and debauchery are everywhere and those who despise the name of God and common decency intend to put Christians into the closet they once occupied.

The reader should know for a certainty that although the American political system is besmirched with corruption and negativity, the mechanism is still in place and STILL WORKS. Men and women of good faith need to rise up, educate themselves on its operations, concern themselves with fairness and moral rightness and get involved. If we do not put wickedness back into the closet where it belongs, it will consume us, our families, our traditions and our future.
 

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The cry against American socialist trends is nothing more than regurgitated partisan politics. As such it throws a smokescreen over any workable solution to our national dilemma. It's been going on for decades (since the inception of the social security system in fact) and is no closer to a resolution than to an adequate definition.

As proof of this cyclical partisan squabbling I submit that social security, which is the ultimate American expression of socialism, will find no voice among detractors. Who will deny compensation to their infirm grandmother? Who will refuse retirement benefits when it is their time to collect? None will raise their voice because these things are too comfortable to excuse. Therefore all cat calls about creeping socialism are nothing more than unfounded selfish rants. It is easier to deny someone else their benefits than to give up one's own.

What then shall we say about the true problems in our country? Looking back at the turn of the century, the notion of our country becoming embroiled in another Viet Nam war and the repetition of the Great Depression were laughable possibilities. Today the reality is apparent to even the uneducated and the political defeatists. Aggressive atheist agendas intend to reduce Christianity to a voiceless crippled philosophy; invisible and illegal in public and only allowed in a dark corner.

Sin and debauchery are everywhere and those who despise the name of God and common decency intend to put Christians into the closet they once occupied.

The reader should know for a certainty that although the American political system is besmirched with corruption and negativity, the mechanism is still in place and STILL WORKS. Men and women of good faith need to rise up, educate themselves on its operations, concern themselves with fairness and moral rightness and get involved. If we do not put wickedness back into the closet where it belongs, it will consume us, our families, our traditions and our future.

Thank you RJP, great thoughts which I must agree. If there was ever a time in America for christians to get involved with what is going on in our nation it is now. To do nothing means approval to the politicians. Witnessing is very much part of restoring America to it's founding principles along with prayer.
 

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I hate to be the pessimist among the bunch, but I don't think that Christians can do much to the political system. Both parties have manipulated Christian voters foe some time and nothing other than a godless agenda has been advanced by both parties. Yea come election time all these politicians like to make their way into churches and have photo ops with some church leaders, but in the end what do they do in terms of legislation to spread salt over the country? Nothing. From a political standpoint, I've always been an ultra conservative guy. While I've always voted Republican, that party itself is just disgraceful in so many ways. And so are many of these talk show pundits that manipulate plenty of Christians. Sorry if my words may seem rather harsh to some but that's the way I see things. I firmly believe that we have a rigged political system. Our leaders serve the interests of the global elites. Of these despicable Edomites that at every turn make it a point to corral the nations of the world and to fester irrational hatred towards Israel. And I'm very bothered by what I'm seeing in America, especially among people my age who are now spouting all kinds of hatred towards Israel. I do believe in the power of prayer, but I also know how it all ends according to the Bible. So I don't think we are enough in thsi country to turn back the tide through politics. Things just have to run their course. I personally have never seen so much hostility towards Christians in my life. I see it on tv, in every day life and even on many internet forums that I'm a member of. WE have a lot of Christians in America but its evident that we have been in a post Christian era for some time. I just don't see a lot of the Christian church fighting the good fight anymore.
 

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I hate to be the pessimist among the bunch, but I don't think that Christians can do much to the political system. Both parties have manipulated Christian voters foe some time and nothing other than a godless agenda has been advanced by both parties. Yea come election time all these politicians like to make their way into churches and have photo ops with some church leaders, but in the end what do they do in terms of legislation to spread salt over the country? Nothing. From a political standpoint, I've always been an ultra conservative guy. While I've always voted Republican, that party itself is just disgraceful in so many ways. And so are many of these talk show pundits that manipulate plenty of Christians. Sorry if my words may seem rather harsh to some but that's the way I see things. I firmly believe that we have a rigged political system. Our leaders serve the interests of the global elites. Of these despicable Edomites that at every turn make it a point to corral the nations of the world and to fester irrational hatred towards Israel. And I'm very bothered by what I'm seeing in America, especially among people my age who are now spouting all kinds of hatred towards Israel. I do believe in the power of prayer, but I also know how it all ends according to the Bible. So I don't think we are enough in thsi country to turn back the tide through politics. Things just have to run their course. I personally have never seen so much hostility towards Christians in my life. I see it on tv, in every day life and even on many internet forums that I'm a member of. WE have a lot of Christians in America but its evident that we have been in a post Christian era for some time. I just don't see a lot of the Christian church fighting the good fight anymore.

Unfortunately you are right about the christian fight from the church is very weak to say the least. We need christians with Jeremiah spirit and Paul spirit in them. Hollywood , which I call Satans public relations firm, has done a job on any one with Born Again in their reference. They created the vision of ministers as abusers, molestors, and theives. Made the Bible unimportant, also America as a selfish ,self centered America's interests only. Also our institutions of higher education (liberal colleges) have contributed to the demoralization of America. The evil forces are many, but the Kingdom of God is stronger and always will be. Trust me the end of the Book says we win.
 

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Unfortunately you are right about the christian fight from the church is very weak to say the least. We need christians with Jeremiah spirit and Paul spirit in them. Hollywood , which I call Satans public relations firm, has done a job on any one with Born Again in their reference. They created the vision of ministers as abusers, molestors, and theives. Made the Bible unimportant, also America as a selfish ,self centered America's interests only. Also our institutions of higher education (liberal colleges) have contributed to the demoralization of America. The evil forces are many, but the Kingdom of God is stronger and always will be. Trust me the end of the Book says we win.

You summed it up a lot better than I ever could my friend.

"Hollywood...Satans public relations firm" :lol: I like that.
 

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The USA is a Democratic Republic. Christian's have every right to express their thoughts. It is an American's civic duty to challenge our government if they feel that the Government is acting inappropriately.
Our founders were very spiritual and most were non-denominational.

The media wants to portray our founders as Deists’ slave owning white guys who are irreverent today.

What is scary today is that we are losing our Constitutional Rights. Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech means just that.
 

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The USA is a Democratic Republic. Christian's have every right to express their thoughts. It is an American's civic duty to challenge our government if they feel that the Government is acting inappropriately.
Our founders were very spiritual and most were non-denominational.

The media wants to portray our founders as Deists’ slave owning white guys who are irreverent today.

What is scary today is that we are losing our Constitutional Rights. Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech means just that.

The USA is a constitutional republic not a democratic republic.
 

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The USA is a constitutional republic not a democratic republic.

democratic republic : A political system in which a country is ruled by law, has representative government, and is democratic in nature.

http://regentsprep.org/Regents/global/vocab/topic_alpha.cfm?topic=d


teachers.schooldesk.net/content/1/4/375/my%20files/types%20of%20government/Definitions%20of%20the%20major%20governmental%20terms%20are%20as%20follows.doc

Democratic Republic - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.

Constitutional Democracy - a form of government in which the sovereign power of the people is spelled out in a governing constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people (in democratic republics those representatives are elected by the people) and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power.

The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review makes a state republican.

I will concede that we are actually set up to be a Constitutional Republic Governed by the Constitution with democratically elected representatives.

But you must admit, especially with this administration, the Constitution is NO LONGER the Rule of the Land.

Can you say Fascism?
 

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democratic republic : A political system in which a country is ruled by law, has representative government, and is democratic in nature.

http://regentsprep.o...pha.cfm?topic=d


teachers.schooldesk.net/content/1/4/375/my%20files/types%20of%20government/Definitions%20of%20the%20major%20governmental%20terms%20are%20as%20follows.doc

Democratic Republic - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.

Constitutional Democracy - a form of government in which the sovereign power of the people is spelled out in a governing constitution.

http://en.wikipedia....tional_republic

A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people (in democratic republics those representatives are elected by the people) and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power.

The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review makes a state republican.

I will concede that we are actually set up to be a Constitutional Republic Governed by the Constitution with democratically elected representatives.

But you must admit, especially with this administration, the Constitution is NO LONGER the Rule of the Land.

Can you say Fascism?

Fascism has been on the move in thsi country for many decades. And its finally destroying our constitutional republic. Its true its becoming very aggressive under this administration. The past administration was also very aggressive as it decided to trash the Bill of Rights after 9/11. But this plan to bring fascism to America has been in the working for many decades. Its my beliefs that all these presidents are selected before they are offered up to the public. That's difficult for a lot of Americans to accept but both mainstream parties have proven time and time again to be nothing more than two sides of the same coin. They try to appear different in the eye of the public, but they've both accelerated the demise of this nation. The whole system is rigged. Maybe if Americans put down their porn, video games, their dope a long time ago and actually showed they cared about the republic, we would have had a fighting chance. Well now we have to live with the consequences of for so many people being apathetic and deceived int he realm of politics. Christians have been duped by both parties over and over again. So now we go back into bondage. Its just the way of the great empires of the world. Many fine academics have studied the "cycle of nations." Why should America be spared the same fate when we've followed the same trends as the other great empires.
 

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Fascism has been on the move in thsi country for many decades. And its finally destroying our constitutional republic. Its true its becoming very aggressive under this administration. The past administration was also very aggressive as it decided to trash the Bill of Rights after 9/11. But this plan to bring fascism to America has been in the working for many decades. Its my beliefs that all these presidents are selected before they are offered up to the public. That's difficult for a lot of Americans to accept but both mainstream parties have proven time and time again to be nothing more than two sides of the same coin. They try to appear different in the eye of the public, but they've both accelerated the demise of this nation. The whole system is rigged. Maybe if Americans put down their porn, video games, their dope a long time ago and actually showed they cared about the republic, we would have had a fighting chance. Well now we have to live with the consequences of for so many people being apathetic and deceived int he realm of politics. Christians have been duped by both parties over and over again. So now we go back into bondage. Its just the way of the great empires of the world. Many fine academics have studied the "cycle of nations." Why should America be spared the same fate when we've followed the same trends as the other great empires.

Fascism is on the rise in the USA and it may come screaming back in the EU. Germany is primed to repeat it's mistakes and we are not the Economic Super Power that we were in the past to do anything about it.
 

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I hate to be the pessimist among the bunch, but I don't think that Christians can do much to the political system. Both parties have manipulated Christian voters foe some time and nothing other than a godless agenda has been advanced by both parties. Yea come election time all these politicians like to make their way into churches and have photo ops with some church leaders, but in the end what do they do in terms of legislation to spread salt over the country? Nothing. From a political standpoint, I've always been an ultra conservative guy. While I've always voted Republican, that party itself is just disgraceful in so many ways. And so are many of these talk show pundits that manipulate plenty of Christians. Sorry if my words may seem rather harsh to some but that's the way I see things. I firmly believe that we have a rigged political system. Our leaders serve the interests of the global elites. Of these despicable Edomites that at every turn make it a point to corral the nations of the world and to fester irrational hatred towards Israel. And I'm very bothered by what I'm seeing in America, especially among people my age who are now spouting all kinds of hatred towards Israel. I do believe in the power of prayer, but I also know how it all ends according to the Bible. So I don't think we are enough in thsi country to turn back the tide through politics. Things just have to run their course. I personally have never seen so much hostility towards Christians in my life. I see it on tv, in every day life and even on many internet forums that I'm a member of. WE have a lot of Christians in America but its evident that we have been in a post Christian era for some time. I just don't see a lot of the Christian church fighting the good fight anymore.

Regarding the Christian Right, I believe that the term as well as the organization was created to support the Presidential candidacy of Pat Robertson many years ago. Since then, nothing remains of the political organization except its name. Today the Christian Right is neither Christian nor right.

What will happen if anti-Christians get their way? IMO one of two things will happen.
Man is a creature that NEEDS to worship and serve something greater than himself.

(1) If modern man denies God, then he settles on the next best thing which is usually the nation state.
The modern nation state is the closest thing to an immortal god that man has ever created.
Unfortunately those nations which have had atheistic roots also tend to become totalitarian police states.
The state is worshiped above all things and any infraction however minor is dealt with severly.
This is the direction I believe the United States is taking. The signs are all around to see.

(2) Religious fervor abhors a vacuum and the next largest religion is already trying to make its impact on
the godless society of America. I speak of Islam.
Unfortunately those nations which have embraced Islam as a culture have also discovered that its' totalitarian
tendencies are nearly as great as those of atheistic nations.
Europe is tottering on the edge of this very situation as I write. The signs are all around to see.

Will America go Muslim? I think not. We love our sin too much to get that religious.
 

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Perhaps if christians were not so involved in politics as they are, the governments would not feel the need to silence them as they seem to be doing.
 
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