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Featured Christians That Hate Israel.

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  1. blessedhope

    blessedhope Well-Known Member

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    Evangelicals are the strongest supporters of Israel, so it is particularly disturbing when a group from within their midst aligns with the Palestinians – even going so far as to support acts of violence against Jews while accusing Israel of violent crimes. Yesterday, while the conference was at its peak, five terror attacks were perpetrated against Israelis.
    This was precisely what happened this week at the fourth biennial Christ at the Checkpoint Conference in Bethlehem, in which over 300 attendees gathered from all over the world in an Evangelical-led hate-fest against Israel and the Jews.
    The organization’s website states the purpose of the four-day gathering is to “challenge Evangelicals to take responsibility to help resolve the conflicts in Israel/Palestine by engaging with the teaching of Jesus on the Kingdom of God”. This claim is deceptive since there were no representatives of Israel to engage in dialogue. Israeli Messianic leaders were also notably absent. However, the conference was attended by Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders, who were free to make spurious charges against Israel unopposed.
    The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) reported some of the more ridiculous claims made at the conference. Hanna Amira, chairman of the Higher Presidential Committee for Christian Affairs for the PA, accused the IDF and settlers of killing Palestinians, “in particular, the children and the young and the women,” while at the same time the Palestinians are “giving a historic example of coexistence and the rejection of violence and hatred.”
    And ​Christian groups support the abolishment of Jewish Israel is deeply troubling. The modern Zionist movement emerged in response to 19th-century anti-Semitic pogroms often caused by the anti-Jewish incitement of Christian clergy. Israel was subsequently established in the immediate aftermath of the Holocaust, the road to which was pave by centuries of anti-Semitic Christian teachings.

    Following the Holocaust, a number of the world’s leading Christian theologians began a comprehensive reconsideration of Christianity’s attitudes toward Jews and Judaism. They undertook a process of renouncing and reformulating centuries of Christian teachings that led to anti-Jewish violence over the centuries.

    Yet in the last two decades, some churches have partnered with anti-Israel activists to reverse these theological reforms, by introducing a “Palestinian liberation theology”—a fusion of Palestinian nationalism and Christian theology. This ideology seeks to undermine Jewish claims, religious or historical, to sovereignty in any and all parts of the Land of Israel.
    These are very sick people calling themselves Christians.
     
  2. blessedhope

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    And Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. So, the prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are “spiritualized” or “allegorized” into promises of God's blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God, and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1900 years?
    The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is completely different and distinct from Israel, and the two are never to be confused or used interchangeably. We are taught from Scripture that the church is an entirely new creation that came into being on the day of Pentecost and will continue until it is taken to heaven at the rapture (Ephesians 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). The church has no relationship to the curses and blessings for Israel. The covenants, promises, and warnings are valid only for Israel. Israel has been temporarily set aside in God's program during these past 2000 years of dispersion.
    After the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), God will restore Israel as the primary focus of His plan. The first event at this time is the tribulation (Revelation chapters 6-19). The world will be judged for rejecting Christ, while Israel is prepared through the trials of the great tribulation for the second coming of the Messiah. Then, when Christ does return to the earth, at the end of the tribulation, Israel will be ready to receive Him. The remnant of Israel which survives the tribulation will be saved, and the Lord will establish His kingdom on this earth with Jerusalem as its capital. With Christ reigning as King, Israel will be the leading nation, and representatives from all nations will come to Jerusalem to honor and worship the King—Jesus Christ. The church will return with Christ and will reign with Him for a literal thousand years (Revelation 20:1-5).
     
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    Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed
     
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    Isa 14:1-2 NIV The Lord will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Foreigners will join them and unite with the descendants of Jacob. 2Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the Lord’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

    Isa 19:23-25 NIV In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. 25The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”

    Isa 60:16 NIV You will drink the milk of nations and be nursed at royal breasts. Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior, your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

    Jer 31:31 NIV “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

    Jer 31:35-36 NIV This is what the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the Lord Almighty is his name: 36“Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,” declares the Lord, “will Israel ever cease being a nation before me.”

    Ezek 16:59-63 NIV “ ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will deal with you as you deserve, because you have despised my oath by breaking the covenant. 60 Yet I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you. 61 Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you receive your sisters, both those who are older than you and those who are younger. I will give them to you as daughters, but not on the basis of my covenant with you. 62 So I will establish my covenant with you, and you will know that I am the LORD. 63 Then, when I make atonement for you for all you have done, you will remember and be ashamed and never again open your mouth because of your humiliation, declares the Sovereign LORD.’ ”

    Ezek 34:25 NIV “ ‘I will make a covenant of peace with them and rid the land of savage beasts so that they may live in the wilderness and sleep in the forests in safety.

    Ezek 36:33 NIV “ ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On the day I cleanse you from all your sins, I will resettle your towns, and the ruins will be rebuilt.

    Ezek 37:23 NIV They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God.

    Dan 9:20-24 NIV While I was speaking and praying, confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel and making my request to the LORD my God for his holy hill—21 while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. 22 He instructed me and said to me, “Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. 23 As soon as you began to pray, a word went out, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the word and understand the vision: 24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

    Amos 9:14-15 NIV and I will bring my people Israel back from exile. “They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. 15I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,”

    Micah 2:12-13 NIV “I will surely gather all of you, Jacob; I will surely bring together the remnant of Israel. I will bring them together like sheep in a pen, like a flock in its pasture; the place will throng with people. 13The One who breaks open the way will go up before them; they will break through the gate and go out. Their King will pass through before them, the Lord at their head.”

    Micah 7:11-12 NIV The day for building your walls will come, the day for extending your boundaries. 12In that day people will come to you from Assyria and the cities of Egypt, even from Egypt to the Euphrates and from sea to sea and from mountain to mountain.

    Zech 8:7-8 NIV This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. 8I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God.”

    Zech 8:23 NIV This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’ ”

    Zech 9:14-17 NIV Then the LORD will appear over them; his arrow will flash like lightning. The Sovereign LORD will sound the trumpet; he will march in the storms of the south, 15 and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar. 16 The LORD their God will save his people on that day as a shepherd saves his flock. They will sparkle in his land like jewels in a crown. 17 How attractive and beautiful they will be! Grain will make the young men thrive, and new wine the young women.

    Zech 10:6-12 NIV “I will strengthen Judah and save the tribes of Joseph. I will restore them because I have compassion on them. They will be as though I had not rejected them, for I am the LORD their God and I will answer them. 7 The Ephraimites will become like warriors, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be joyful; their hearts will rejoice in the LORD. 8 I will signal for them and gather them in. Surely I will redeem them; they will be as numerous as before. 9 Though I scatter them among the peoples, yet in distant lands they will remember me. They and their children will survive, and they will return. 10 I will bring them back from Egypt and gather them from Assyria. I will bring them to Gilead and Lebanon, and there will not be room enough for them. 11 They will pass through the sea of trouble; the surging sea will be subdued and all the depths of the Nile will dry up. Assyria’s pride will be brought down and Egypt’s scepter will pass away. 12 I will strengthen them in the LORD and in his name they will live securely,” declares the LORD.

    Rom 11:25-31 NIV I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
     
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    Zech 8:23 NIV This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’ ”
     
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    Isa 27:6-9 NIV In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit. 7Has the Lord struck her as he struck down those who struck her? Has she been killed as those were killed who killed her? 8By warfare and exile you contend with her—with his fierce blast he drives her out, as on a day the east wind blows. 9By this, then, will Jacob’s guilt be atoned for, and this will be the full fruit of the removal of his sin: When he makes all the altar stones to be like limestone crushed to pieces, no Asherah poles or incense altars will be left standing.
     
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    Isa 30:19-26 NIV People of Zion, who live in Jerusalem, you will weep no more. How gracious he will be when you cry for help! As soon as he hears, he will answer you. 20Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. 21Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.” 22Then you will desecrate your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, “Away with you!” 23He will also send you rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the food that comes from the land will be rich and plentiful. In that day your cattle will graze in broad meadows. 24The oxen and donkeys that work the soil will eat fodder and mash, spread out with fork and shovel. 25In the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall, streams of water will flow on every high mountain and every lofty hill. 26The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the Lord binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted.
     
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    Isa 11:15-16 NIV The Lord will dry up the gulf of the Egyptian sea; with a scorching wind he will sweep his hand over the Euphrates River. He will break it up into seven streams so that anyone can cross over in sandals. 16There will be a highway for the remnant of his people that is left from Assyria, as there was for Israel when they came up from Egypt.

    Isa 19:23-25 NIV In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. 25The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”

    Isa 35:8-10 NIV And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness; it will be for those who walk on that Way. The unclean will not journey on it; wicked fools will not go about on it. 9No lion will be there, nor any ravenous beast; they will not be found there. But only the redeemed will walk there, 10and those the Lord has rescued will return. They will enter Zion with singing; everlasting joy will crown their heads. Gladness and joy will overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away.
     
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    And Everyone is talking about "Nakba Day" and the alarming repercussions that may be coming to the people of Israel this weekend in commemoration of it. It is no coincidence that Nakba Day falls on the same date for which an international call was made for a third Intifada by the Palestinians. The US Embassy in Israel has already began warning American citizens in Israel to keep a low profile this weekend. But what is this day? Why do the Palestinians commemorate it? And what does it mean for Israel?

    Yonatan Silverman at Arutz Sheva has compiled a brilliant piece that explains how Nakba came about and why it's of grave concern to each and every supporter of the Jewish state.



    Nakba:
    A prime example of Palestinian brazen malicious deceit against Israel is their so-called "Day of Catastrophe" NAKBA DAY. Apparently the first Arab to coin this meretricious concept was Syrian historian Constantine Zureiq in his 1948 book, Ma'na al-Nakba (The Meaning of the Disaster).


    National Commemoration:
    Official Palestinian "national" commemoration of the day was not inaugurated until 1998 by Yasser Arafat. Following Arafat's declaration of recognition for the day, over one million Arabs participated in marches and other events. They have plans for this year as well.

    What is the "disaster" NAKBA DAY commemorates? Nothing less than the day on which Israel Declared Independence in 1948. And to add insult to injury, the Palestinians commemorate their national disaster day every year to coincide with the Gregorian date on which Israel was declared. Israeli Independence Day is officially celebrated on the Hebrew date, Iyar 5. Around 15 May.

    Why was Israel's Declaration of Independence such a disaster (NAKBA) for the Palestinians? This harks back to Israel's 1948 War of independence.

    The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as Nakba, meaning the "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm", occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled

    Children commemorate "Nakba Day"

    from their homes, during this bitter war.
    If you look up NAKBA online, the search returns numerous Palestinian websites claiming to explain this phenomenon in Palestinian history and eliciting sympathy and even financial donations for the numerous Palestinian refugees in the Arab countries who are descendants of the original refugees from Israel's 1948 War of Independence.

    At the time this unfortunate problem developed in the late 1940s, flooding the Arab countries with thousands and even hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees, the Arabs refused to accept any solution to the problem but Israel's accepting all the refugees back into the territory they fled – now the state of Israel. Israel for its part agreed to accept a small percentage back. But for the tyrannical Arabs, the solution was all or nothing.
    So the Palestinian refugees who fled Israel in 1948 during the War of Independence were stuck by their fellow Arabs in squalid camps in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq elsewhere too, like Egypt. And the Arabs have consistently exploited the problem for political mileage against Israel and on the backs of the Palestinians.

    Refugees:
    A question that is more to the point however, is how exactly did the Palestinians become refugees in the first place, in 1948. The first cause was surely the War of Independence itself. The Arabs who lived in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and elsewhere in the Jewish yishuv vehemently rejected the UN Partition plan for Palestine, and took arms against the newborn state of Israel.

    The Arabs who became refugees weren't just innocent bystanders, in other words. They were active combatants who threw their hats in the ring with the invading Arab countries whose aim was to annihilate the Jewish State in childbirth.
    Were there cases in which Palestinians were forcibly removed and deported by Israel and the IDF? Probably, but it seems to me that in a war it is always better to err on the side of caution when dealing with armed adversaries. And the record shows there was never an official Israeli government-signed document ordering the removal and deportation of any Palestinian combatants.

    The fact is, in 1948 Palestinian Arab leaders strongly encouraged their constituents to leave Israel and return to their homes after the war was quickly won by the invading Arab armies. The Arab leaders told the Arab population in newly-declared Israel to get out of harm's way and let the invading Arab armies do their work without interference. This was another reason they fled.

    This perverted "national" Palestinian NAKBA observance therefore, has nothing to do with historical facts, but springs solely and exclusively from their "national" impulse to express hate and malice against the Jewish people and against Israel.
    If there was a disaster (A NAKBA) for the Palestinians stemming from Israel's War Of Independence they brought it down on their own heads. There is absolutely no truth to the claim that Israel is responsible for their refugee status to begin with or the perpetuation of their being refugees. It was a time of war, and Israel had no alternative but to win the war, no holds barred.

    It seems to me there has never been any war in history that did not cause a refugee problem. However, in the case of the 1948 Palestinian refugee problem, the Arab countries to which they fled, and despicable organizations like the United Nations Relief And Works Agency (UNRWA) have persistently taken measures to perpetuate their refugee fate, stick this problem in Israel's eye unjustifiably, and ensure the problem is never corrected in a just, humane manner.

    In fact, the most just and true manner in which to view the Palestinian refugee problem in the days following Israel’s War of Independence is as a population transfer. While some 700,000 Palestinians were displaced from Palestine during the war, the Arab countries exploited their anger over Israel’s victory to expel an estimated 800,000 Jewish inhabitants from Arab lands.

    The Jews found their way to new homes and new lives in Israel, despite millions of dollars of confiscated property in their former homes. This injustice has never been rectified. The situation partly rectified itself because some of the Jews expelled from Arab lands took the place in Israel that the Palestinians abandoned.

    The corollary to the NAKBA is the Palestinian Right of Return, which the Palestinians refuse to abandon, but if undertaken would undermine the state of Israel, and is again part and parcel of Palestinian peace aims. Not peace – but Israel piece by piece. Or Israel – Rest In Peace.
     
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    Longer than that, bro'!

    Luke 1:30-33
    30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
    31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
    32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
    33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
    KJV


    Revelation 22:1-5
    1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
    2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
    3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
    4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
    5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
    KJV
     
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    Before you get all gushy over the nation of Israel...yes true Jews are the apple of God's eye..but let's not forget John 14.6 Jesus says No man comes to the Father but by Him...so if Jews do not embrace Jesus as their Messiah and Saviour, then what?
    Jesus called the Pharisees and religious authorities "snakes" and on numerous occasions dumped all over them..why?..could it be they were "talmud" following Jews? These are the Jews that hate all gentiles (non Jews) and denigrate and blaspheme Jesus our Lord and Saviour in the most profane manner in their talmud book teachings. Read it for youself while it is still on line..just search Talmud..and see for yourself..so one must be careful not to get caught up in this Jewish thing...before 1948, there were Jewish people farming along side all other Arab peoples and they got along wonderfully...these are real Biblical Jews, and they had no( problems with others..(the Bible refers to the whole area of Israel, etc as Palestine)...but who actually flood back to Palestine in 1948...study up on Khazarian Jews from eastern Europe...these are not real Jews but control Israel today...Anyway research it for yourselves...
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    People here are confused as to who exactly are God's true elect people. The New Testament makes it clear that all those who believe in God and who accept the atoning sacrifice of Jesus are righteous and are deemed to be heirs of Abraham and therefore Israelites. Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11-18, Galatians 3:26-29
    Obvious to anyone who has been to Israel or studies the current situation there, that those people, mostly atheistic and Muslims, etc, are not the people God wants in His holy Land. Soon the Lord will take action to clear His Land. Deuteronomy 32:43, Jeremiah 12:14


    Israelis: The current inhabitants of the State of Israel.
    Israelites: True descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or those people grafted in by reason of righteousness. Only God knows who they all are. Amos 9:9
    Most Western Christians view modern Israelis as a continuation of the ancient Biblical drama of Israel and as the inheritors of the traditional role that the Jews have played through the ages. Through them, we have a universal moral code of justice: the Ten Commandments. These Divinely inspired Laws form the basis of our Judeo/Christian morality and ethics. Therefore modern Israel has been expected to reflect a high level of justice and morality in its actions.
    Jewish teaching also says that history is not as the Greeks taught it, that is: a cyclical series of events in which mankind gets no better or no worse. The Torah, the Talmud and the Mishnah, all teach that we can steadily uplift human society and eventually there will come a Messianic era of true peace and harmony.
    Although the State of Israel does display restraint in their dealings with their neighbours, it can hardly be said that they maintain Biblical precepts, such as ‘Love thy neighbour’. And as for moral leadership, Israeli’s are a seriously bad example!
    What then of the prophesies that say the Israelites are a chosen people, destined to be a ‘light to the nations’? We must be aware and keep in mind that the Jewish people are comprised of only 2 tribes, of the original 12 sons of Jacob. [Parts of some other tribes are assimilated.] Ezekiel 22:15 The Jewish Israeli people are just ‘the budding of the fig tree’, a first fruit of the final regathering of ALL the Israelite people.
    We are told in many prophecies that Judah will be judged and punished for their many sins, but a remnant will survive to become a ‘holy seed in the Land’. Isaiah 6:13 Then, the great spiritual regeneration and rejoining of all the Israelites will take place; Ezekiel 37:1-19, and as Ezekiel 37:20-28 goes on to say: I shall make them a single nation in the holy Land and I shall pour out My Spirit upon them. Isaiah 44:1-5
    [SIZE=12pt]Then the Lord’s righteous people will be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and 144,000 of them will go out to the world, to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Rev. 14:1-7, Isaiah 66:19 [/SIZE]
     
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    Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
    Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
    Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
    Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
    Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

    2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
    2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
    2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

    God has His plan for Israel

    Deu 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
    Deu 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
    Deu 7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
    Deu 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

    Psa 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

    They are His chosen people and wil always be. If not for them we would have no salvation.
     
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    Barrd His Humble Servant

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    Look at Saul/Paul, beside the point, the Jews where under the old covenant which some christians still keep puting themselves under, wont change Gods plan for their salvation.
     
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    keras Writer of Bible study guides

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    There is only one people of God. John 17:22-23, 1 Cor. 1:13, Ephesians 4:4-6
    The atheistic, apostate and Jesus denying people of the State of Israel, now face God's judgement and only a remnant of Messianic Jews will be saved. Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 22:14, Zechariah 13:7-9
    This is the Biblical truth and thinking there are 2 Peoples and 2 Promises, is a false teaching, only promoted by those who believe the lie of a rapture of the church, while Israel burns.
     
  18. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    Yes we all know that, what makes you think they are not His people.You konw this part,

    Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
    Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    Who are His sheep,

    Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
    Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

    and the other is us the gentiles.

    You can hate them all you like God is not going to change His mind because some disagree with Him.

    2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
    2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

    It is Gods doing it is His plan.
     
  19. robert micahels

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    Ok, so if we are going to still look up to them as God's ''chosen people'', then how should we look at ourselves? - Unchosen? Let's suppose for a moment that you are correct (and with due respect to a senior member) and that despite the fact that since those verses in the Psalms etc were written, the Judeans, followed by the Israelites prostituted themselves to other gods for centuries, until finally Yahweh their God had to declare that He was divorcing them! and this (once) chosen people got dispersed and scattered to God-Knows-where (literally) but then a remnant (?) of this ''chosen people'' returned/remained and yet still managed to reject and crucify the One true Messiah that was sent to them, declaring "His blood be upon our heads" etc but yet again this ''chosen people'' and their city got wiped out by the Romans in 33 AD as a consequence, again getting dispersed to the ends of the earth, and mixing in with countless other racial groups until there are now no typical racial characteristics left any more...Ok, i think you get my drift! -
    You have in fact answered me in advance, by quoting this: Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election (the Elect = Christian Believers) hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded, but wait, there's more! - If you still persist in saying they will always be God's ''chosen people'' despite those biblical and historical realities, then i think it's more a question of what you IMPLY by saying so, or rather what you will DO about it, when you have to face what these 'chosen people' are going to choose to do to you! - - when they or their followers come to capture/torture/murder you and your families, and/or take you into their Jewish-designed FEMA camps, the same way as they did in the USSR and ARMENIA! - and if you don't think it was the ''chosen people'' and their followers/trainees who did these things, perhaps you should educate yourself a little more -

    " Why do you so glibly adore them as “God’s chosen people” while at the same time putting yourself down, when Yeshuah haMeshiach Himself said that all and any who chose to trust in Him would then become the ‘True children of Abraham”? – through faith! - and at the same time ignoring the massive evidence about who is really behind the most devilish and despicable mass crimes in modern history – and while we’re at it, who is also behind the 300 or so FEMA camps already set up to incarcerate possibly 200 Million Americans when martial law is declared at any time in the near (?) future! …If you dare to get your head out of the sand, see: http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=583 - The Zionists Behind FEMA Camps (BrN On Video!) – and yes there are eye-witness reports of black guillotines all ready to go into action – and why guillotines ? – it took a while to find the answer, but their Jew-minded rationale is that people who die by decapitation then wander around without a head in the afterlife! - such is the nice thoughtfulness and consideration shown in advance by these specially ‘chosen’ people in regard to us pitiful Gentiles, who still adore them! - If you are in America, even in the Bible Belt, if and when it all starts to happen under martial law (read: Noahide law enacted via the Chabad Lubivitches under GW Bush’s nose) do you really think they will return your nice Christian smile when they come for you!? - No, it will be a smirk of arrogance and bemusement t hat you have expended so much energy praising and glorifying and even monetarily supporting ‘holy Israel’ and their wonderful ‘chosen people’ while they cursed your Lord and carried out the most devious and despicable crimes like 9/11 under your very adoring noses! ... http://why-do-you-call-yourself-a-truth-seeker.bravesites.com
     
  20. Barrd

    Barrd His Humble Servant

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    And then, they lost their right to the Kingdom:

    Luk 20:9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.
    Luk 20:10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.
    Luk 20:11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.
    Luk 20:12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.
    Luk 20:13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.
    Luk 20:14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.
    Luk 20:15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?
    Luk 20:16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
    Luk 20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
    Luk 20:18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

    Were you paying attention?

    The owner of the vineyard...that would be God...sent servants to the vineyard...that would be the prophets of old...and the husbandmen abused and killed them...that would be the Jews. Eventually, God sent His Son...and they crucified Him.

    And do you remember their horrible cry, when Pilate washed his hands of Jesus' blood, saying that He was innocent?

    Mat 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
    Mat 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

    Now, what do you think the Owner of the Vineyard will do?

    Now is their opportunity. If they continue to reject that stone, make no mistake, it will fall upon them, and it will grind them to powder.
     
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