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What are church councils?

what is their authority to bind all Christians?
 

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That ship sailed, imo, when you posited in other threads that non-Catholics - even if they are trinitarians - aren’t Christians.

The Roman Catholic Church recognizes 21 ecumenical councils.

The first seven ecumenical councils are:

(1) First Council of Nicaea, 325 A.D.
(2) First Council of Constantinople, 381 A.D.
(3) Council of Ephesus, 431 A.D.
(4) Council of Chalcedon, 451 A.D.
(5) Second Council of Constantinople, 553 A.D.
(6) Third Council of Constantinople, 680-681 A.D.
(7) Second Council of Nicaea, 787 A.D.

College memorization.

The remaining fourteen were covered in college Church history classes but I had to look them up. They are:

(8) Fourth Council of Constantinople, 869 A.D.
(9) First Lateran Council, 1123 A.D.
(10) Second Lateran Council, 1139 A.D.
(11) Third Lateran Council, 1179 A.D.
(12) Fourth Lateran Council, 1215 A.D.
(13) First Council of Lyons, 1245 A.D.
(14) Second Council of Lyons, 1274 A.D.
(15) Council of Vienne, 1311-1313 A.D.
(16) Council of Constance, 1414-1418 A.D.
(17) Council of Basel / Ferrara / Florence, 1431-1439 A.D.
(18) Fifth Lateran Council, 1512-1517 A.D.
(19) Council of Trent, 1545-1563 A.D.
(20) First Vatican Council, 1869-1870 A.D.
(21) Second Vatican Council, 1962-1965 A.D.

I’m a Christian and none of them are binding on me.
 

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That ship sailed, imo, when you posited in other threads that non-Catholics - even if they are trinitarians - aren’t Christians.

The Roman Catholic Church recognizes 21 ecumenical councils.

The first seven ecumenical councils are:

(1) First Council of Nicaea, 325 A.D.
(2) First Council of Constantinople, 381 A.D.
(3) Council of Ephesus, 431 A.D.
(4) Council of Chalcedon, 451 A.D.
(5) Second Council of Constantinople, 553 A.D.
(6) Third Council of Constantinople, 680-681 A.D.
(7) Second Council of Nicaea, 787 A.D.

College memorization.

The remaining fourteen were covered in college Church history classes but I had to look them up. They are:

(8) Fourth Council of Constantinople, 869 A.D.
(9) First Lateran Council, 1123 A.D.
(10) Second Lateran Council, 1139 A.D.
(11) Third Lateran Council, 1179 A.D.
(12) Fourth Lateran Council, 1215 A.D.
(13) First Council of Lyons, 1245 A.D.
(14) Second Council of Lyons, 1274 A.D.
(15) Council of Vienne, 1311-1313 A.D.
(16) Council of Constance, 1414-1418 A.D.
(17) Council of Basel / Ferrara / Florence, 1431-1439 A.D.
(18) Fifth Lateran Council, 1512-1517 A.D.
(19) Council of Trent, 1545-1563 A.D.
(20) First Vatican Council, 1869-1870 A.D.
(21) Second Vatican Council, 1962-1965 A.D.

I’m a Christian and none of them are binding on me.

how do you explain Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18? Bound on earth bound in heaven

and there are only 20 councils
 

theefaith

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You seriously believe the RCC doesn’t recognize Vatican 2?

yep
Vatican 2 does not qualify on any level

proper intention:
Proper form:
Proper matter:

And it contradicts catholic dogma
 

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Vatican 2 does not qualify on any level

proper intention:
Proper form:
Proper matter:

And it contradicts catholic dogma

Okay.

You, a Roman Catholic, believe the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t recognize Vatican 2.

I, a non-Roman Catholic, believe the Roman Catholic Church recognizes Vatican 2.

What you and I have in common is that neither one of us believes Vatican 2 is binding on us.

I believe Vatican 2 is binding on Roman Catholics, not on all Christians.
 

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What are church councils?

what is their authority to bind all Christians?
Church councils...beginning in the 4th century were carnal religious practices meant to excommunicate those whom certain ecclesiastics sought to excommunicate others. Further councils sought to get back at those who had excommunicated them by returning the favour...excommunicating them in return. A little understanding of the sin nature in humans explains what was being practiced by trying to reduce the living God to a formula to accept.

The only faithful bishop of that time that I know of is Eusebius who thought the councils were shaming the name of the Lord. He was bishop of Caesarea in Palestine.

At one time there were 4 bishops at Antioch (each condemning the others) and there were 3 popes in Rome later on.

All this was evil in God's sight. Dead man's religion.

Now we continue in that same grand tradition of reducing God to a dogmatic religious ideology...that has no life in it. It is spiritual death.

So no, the councils are meant as tests from God to NOT trust in men ....not meant to be taken seriously. There is a curse associated with trusting men.

Here is a revolutionary idea...trust in the living God. :) <><

Let God build His church and let men divide and squabble over dead men's bones. Let the dead bury the dead.
 
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Okay.

You, a Roman Catholic, believe the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t recognize Vatican 2.

I, a non-Roman Catholic, believe the Roman Catholic Church recognizes Vatican 2.

What you and I have in common is that neither one of us believes Vatican 2 is binding on us.

I believe Vatican 2 is binding on Roman Catholics, not on all Christians.

only Catholics are capable of being Christian

is Christ king?
 

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Church councils...beginning in the 4th century were carnal religious practices meant to excommunicate those whom certain ecclesiastics sought to excommunicate others. Further councils sought to get back at those who had excommunicated them by returning the favour...excommunicating them in return. A little understanding of the sin nature in humans explains what was being practiced by trying to reduce the living God to a formula to accept.

The only faithful bishop of that tine that I know of is Eusebius who thought the councils were shaming the name of the Lord. He was bishop of Caesaria in Palestine.

At one time there were 4 bishops at Antioch (each condemning the others) and there were 3 popes in Rome later on.

All this was evil in God's sight. Dead man's religion.

Now we continue in that same grand tradition of reducing God to a dogmatic religious ideology...that has no life in it. It is spiritual death.

So no, the councils are meant as tests from God to NOT trust in men ....not meant to be taken seriously. There is a curse associated with trusting men.

Here is a revolutionary idea...trust in the living God. :) <><

Let God build His church and let men divide and squabble over dead men's bones. Let the dead bury the dead.

God says to trust men?
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Acts 1:8
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
1 thes 4:6

The teachings authority of Christ and His church the pillar of truth in union with the Holy Spirit, With obedience to hierarchical jurisdictional authority producing peace and order!

or

Chaos produced by spiritual anarchy!

Christ Taught:
Matt 5:2
Matt 7:29
Matt 13:54
Mark 1:21
Mark 1:22
Mark 2:13
Mark 4:2
Mark 9:31
Mark 10:1
Mark 11:17
Mark 12:35
Luke 4:15
Luke 4:31
Luke 5:3
Luke 6:6
Luke 13:26
Luke 19:47
Luke 20:1
John 6:59
John 7:14
John 7:28
John 8:2
John 8:20
John 18:20


Christ teaches with authority:
Matt 7:29
Mark 1:22


Apostles commanded to teach:
Matt 28:19

Apostles teach:
Mark 6:30
Acts 2:42
Acts 4:2
Acts 5:21
Acts 11:26
Acts 14:21
Acts 18:25
Acts 20:20
Col 2:7
2 thes 2:15
Titus 1:9

Hear the church Matt 18:17
The pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15

One faith!

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

One heart / one mind

Acts 4:32
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul:

Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Apostles received the truth from Christ and are inspired by the Holy Spirit and are commanded to teach all men! Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Matt 28:19

Apostles have same mission, power, ministry, and authority as Christ!
Jn 20:21

The sacred deposit of faith

Thee faith once delivered to the saints! Jude 1:3

Without (revealed catholic) faith it is impossible to please God! Heb 11:6

The church possesses the truths revealed by Christ in person, not from scripture, Jude 1:3, 1 Tim 3:15
Matt 18:17

The church is eternal!

The same yesterday, today, and forever!

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
 

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Only the one true church has authority to proclaim the truth and condemn error!

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22
 
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Not according to at least one of your fellow Catholics.



There’s no need for sorrow. All I’ve ever asked is that you tell me what you think / believe and why you think / believe it.

the church is catholic!